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Code S RO16, Group C Preview


By: Waxangel

Brave New TvP World



Perhaps it's too early to declare a massive meta-game shift, or say that the match-up will never be the same again. Even so, super-greedy TvP double expand builds have been proliferating in GSL season one, causing new build order losses that seem absurd even for a match-up that was already being decried as a coin-flip. We've even seen players lose after going triple nexus with late robo against a cloak 1/1/1 (ForGG vs Core), and somehow it fell within the boundaries of being an acceptable risk. So at this point in TvP time, every possibility seems to be in play. It certainly makes previewing this group a bit trickier.

It's a particular rough environment for one (P)SK.MC, for whom consistency has been the biggest recent concern. The ideal scenario for MC to repair his reputation would be to play macro PvT games against his opponents, and show the dominant side that took out Mvp 2 – 1 in a duel of pure strength at MLG (and not the side that went 0 – 3 to him a few hours later). To that end, however, MC's recent PvTs are not encouraging. The RO32 was fraught with some silly build order losses. ForGG roughed him up with an unscouted triple orbital build, then MC paid back the favor with a three-gate void ray all in. Against Supernova, MC's ability to correctly read which all-in Supernova was doing ended up being the primary determinant of the outcome (he was right once, wrong twice).

He should expect more of the same if he happens to face (T)NSH_Jjakji, whose Code S November run showed that he was a player – who despite his ability to play a strong macro game – saw no reason to play normal when a well worked out strategy might net an easier win (a quality shared by the other successful Terran of recent times, SlayerS_MMA). Jjakji might be the best player in this group in that regard, as he has quite recently shown that he knows the right ratio of trickery and standard play to make a winning formula.

Though Jjakji will probably do well against the Protoss players of his group, (T)SlayerS_GanZi presents a potential road block. Ganzi is simply a better TvT player, who was only really outclassed by an in-his-prime Mvp at that matchup. Ganzi proved as much in their RO32 meeting, where he trounced Jjakji 2 – 0 in straight up games. Jjakji will need to prepare the right strategies (cheesy, or not... probably cheesy) to have a shot.

While Ganzi will be more than happy to face Jjakji, his situation against the Protoss players looks rough. It's not that he's bad against Protoss, it's just that he's very middle of the road. Decent all-ins, decent macro-game – not something he wants to bet his tournament life on.

Due to the proclivity of TerranSlayerS players to use each others' strats, we had a glimpse of what kind of SlayerS tactics Ganzi might use to attempt to overcome his disadvantage. Last week, SlayerS_MMA, another good-but-not-great TvPer used some interesting strategies that cut corners in order to try and secure a long-term lead – such as a quick double engineering bay build and fake 1/1/1 into triple orbitals (yeah, that didn't work). MMA was on the verge of getting eliminated, but managed squeeze through in the final match of the night. If Ganzi makes it through against his Protoss foes, it will probably be by a similarly narrow margin.

And finally, there's (P)ST_Parting, a player who could be everything or nothing. Having watched OnGameNet (the greatest promoter in all of esports history. Think of some juggernaut combination of Don King, Vince McMachon, and Dana White without all of the evil), do their jig for over a decade, I know what the play is here. Hype the crap out of Parting as the next Protoss savior. Present him as an "intelligent" player – he had some strategies that worked in the previous round due to a combination of skill and luck, so make everyone forget the luck part of it. Sell his 4-kill against ZeNEX in IPL Team Arena like it meant the world, as if ZeNEX wasn't a team that was already half dead. Dig up enough nostalgia from the times when Squirtle was a top player to pass on the StarTale Protoss ace mantle to Parting, without contaminating it with any of present day Squirtle's troubles.

Ah well, that's not our job. The truth is, we've seen so much of these other three, and so very little of parting – especially at the Code S level. For this guy, all I can say is wait and see.

Today's predictions are sponsored by: very little confidence, and a grain of salt.


Predictions:
MC > Ganzi
Jjakji > Parting
Jjakji > MC
Parting > Ganzi
MC > Parting

MC and Jjakji advance














Art by Fishuu

Following Losira-Cat's elimination from Code A, we are looking for a suitable replacement.




Writer: Waxangel.
Graphics and Art: Meko and Pony Tales (disciple and Lip the Pencilboy).
Editor: WaxAngel
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
February 07 2012 21:40 GMT
#2
Nah, Parting's got this.

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Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
February 07 2012 21:40 GMT
#3
Good write up as always :D
Whatever happens, happens
TolEranceNA
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada434 Posts
February 07 2012 21:40 GMT
#4
I personally much agree with Jjakji advancing, but i think Parting is vastly underrated, and personally, I am sure Ganzi will give MC a lot of trouble. But very nice article.
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Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
February 07 2012 21:41 GMT
#5
Short preview, I guess the review of the whole round will happen later. Good predictions nonetheless; they should be good matches.
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silyaznfoo
Profile Joined December 2011
45 Posts
February 07 2012 21:41 GMT
#6
sad zealot qq
RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
February 07 2012 21:44 GMT
#7
Man I hope Ganzi finally pulls through for me here. Not a big Jjakji or MC fan
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yum
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10 Posts
February 07 2012 21:46 GMT
#8
I really hope MC can start another great GSL run! His macro game just needs to get amp'd up a bit. GOGOGOG MC and Parting!
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
February 07 2012 21:47 GMT
#9
Gogo MC!!!
Liveon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Netherlands1083 Posts
February 07 2012 21:47 GMT
#10
Thinking MC and Ganzi will advance But my liquibet is pretty bad
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Leargle
Profile Joined October 2010
United States173 Posts
February 07 2012 21:48 GMT
#11
I have MC and jjakji advancing as well ^^
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Trolle
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Sweden227 Posts
February 07 2012 21:49 GMT
#12
GanZi and Jjakji is the safer cards, MC is too unreliable imho. And as stated, PArting we haven' seen much off on Code S level
meep meep
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
February 07 2012 21:53 GMT
#13
gogo parting!
I have parting going the distance :D
My religion is Starcraft
blacklist_member
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia318 Posts
February 07 2012 21:53 GMT
#14
MC > Ganzi
Jjakji > Parting
Jjakji > MC
Parting > Ganzi

I agree with these, last match being a PvP, it could go either way.
MC and MKP fighting ^^
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
February 07 2012 21:54 GMT
#15
Nice read! Looking forward to how many predictions you got right
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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
February 07 2012 21:57 GMT
#16
If I had any money it would be on Parting. Only Startale player left in Code S right now!
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SodaGremlin
Profile Joined October 2011
United States4 Posts
February 07 2012 22:03 GMT
#17
I think the predictions are good, should be a nice match up tonight!
H4rlequin
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand16 Posts
February 07 2012 22:04 GMT
#18
On February 08 2012 06:40 Fionn wrote:
Nah, Parting's got this.

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Excellent summary, though if this is anything to go by, 2nd place finish followed by an immediate drop to code B like TOP.
Random ftw, Protoss so OP
DestinedOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada84 Posts
February 07 2012 22:04 GMT
#19
GO MC! <3, great write-up.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
February 07 2012 22:10 GMT
#20
Predicted the same thing. Hopefully we'll get to see some more crazy Jjakji builds!
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
February 07 2012 22:12 GMT
#21
Indeed that's what I predicted too.
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
February 07 2012 22:15 GMT
#22
lets go minchul
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Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
February 07 2012 22:15 GMT
#23
On February 08 2012 06:40 Fionn wrote:
Nah, Parting's got this.

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I liquibetted on Parting before it was cool.
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kittensrcute
Profile Joined August 2010
United States617 Posts
February 07 2012 22:35 GMT
#24
On February 08 2012 07:15 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 06:40 Fionn wrote:
Nah, Parting's got this.

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I liquibetted on Parting before it was cool.

haha SAME, back in code a npnpnpnp.

tough group to predict, though it should yield some interesting games (i hope....)
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 07 2012 22:45 GMT
#25
Since every other dark horse hyped to do well in Code S apart from Oz has failed horribly to meet expectations, I have similar sentiments to Waxangel about Parting.

In fact, I have similar sentiments to WaxAngel about everything. Excellent write-up, well-thought out and very educated. Takes into account both recent events and past trends.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
February 07 2012 22:53 GMT
#26
I am not that confident about Jjakji advancing. He clearly is a good player, but has been showing some weird losses recently; of course, he might have been preparing specifically for his group while avoiding to disclose his strats, but his standard game might simply not be good enough after all. That said, the way he approached his GSL finals clearly showed that he can analyze and strategize quite well for planned matches, if anything by weirding his opponent out. (Early ghosts in my TvT, emp'ing my medivacs?!)
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
February 07 2012 22:54 GMT
#27
On February 08 2012 06:40 Fionn wrote:
Nah, Parting's got this.

[image loading]






I actually liked Parting, why did you have to curse him like this :c
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
February 07 2012 23:09 GMT
#28
The picture should be a drone, 1-2 z max round 16
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 07 2012 23:09 GMT
#29
Slayers went 3 for 3 in their Code A matches earlier today. Can they make it 3 for 3 in Code S as well?
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
jeeneeus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1168 Posts
February 07 2012 23:12 GMT
#30
Parting's beaten Jjakji in a KSL final. Although I did not see the games and don't know how it was done, the feat in itself is pretty amazing.
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
February 07 2012 23:34 GMT
#31
It's never wise to bet against MC. And Jjakji has shown to much strength to doubt him.
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Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11048 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 23:43:18
February 07 2012 23:42 GMT
#32
MC is mechanically superior to all of the others.

MC should crush all of them.

I can't stand Ganzi so I'm probably underestimating him but I think it'll be interesting between Jjakji and Parting. Jjakji is really really cool. Parting is another one of Artosis' hyped up Toss. I would be happy if he made it through but not much more than if Jjakji performs as he should.

MC and Jjakji hwaiting!

edit: Also Fionn picked parting so he's done.
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RunningInSquares
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States215 Posts
February 07 2012 23:48 GMT
#33
I would like to assert that I highly doubt Jjakji will advance, but last time I said that, he went all the way and won the Code S finals. Because of that, I'm not going to comment on whether or not I think he is good enough and will just settle for saying GanZi and MC fighting!!!
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
February 07 2012 23:52 GMT
#34
MC and GanZi are my predictions. Jjaki is good and all, but if GanZi beats MC and goes on to face Jjaki, I'd expect GanZi to pull ahead.

RunnerMeep
Profile Joined May 2011
United States79 Posts
February 08 2012 00:00 GMT
#35
Go Parting!
SJSU!
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
February 08 2012 00:33 GMT
#36
On February 08 2012 06:40 Fionn wrote:
Nah, Parting's got this.

[image loading]





He's doomed now...
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 00:49:32
February 08 2012 00:49 GMT
#37
Considering there's only one other terran in the group, Jjakji could make it through. But I have a feeling Parting and MC will be the ones making it through! (You heard it here first)
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
alepoff
Profile Joined January 2012
140 Posts
February 08 2012 00:53 GMT
#38
parting and mc will go through, unfortunately, unless the T's have some brilliant cheeses ready
let's bounce
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
February 08 2012 00:54 GMT
#39
Parting is so underrated.
Everyone watch him advance.
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
gldavid12
Profile Joined February 2012
15 Posts
February 08 2012 01:23 GMT
#40
I think MC and Parting are going to win because they way that Jjakji played against HerO was just . . . horrific. MC's PvT is his best match-up and Parting is just underrated. If Jjakji messes up once against Parting, he's done.
dSoda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States122 Posts
February 08 2012 01:42 GMT
#41
I think ganzi should make it through. He's been on a tear lately. Only really losing to mvp.
DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
February 08 2012 02:06 GMT
#42
Predictions have been pretty rough thus far, but I think i agree with this set. Although I think Parting has a good chance of advancing as well. I like Ganzi, but I feel like he's the odd man out here.

But I could be completely wrong!
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
February 08 2012 02:38 GMT
#43
Nice preview, but I think (P)MC and (T)GanZi will go through. Either way, should be interesting matches.

MC > Ganzi
Jjakji < Parting
Jjakji < MC
Parting < Ganzi
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Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
February 08 2012 02:56 GMT
#44
I would go with MC and Jjakji. Even though Ganzi is probably at a comparable level with these two, he is highly likely to play in 2x TvPs (and possibly 3x TvPs) which is not his forte. On the other hand, I believe MC is rounded well enough in all three match-ups. Jjakji is weak in TvT but has a lower chance of playing TvTs than Ganzi has of playing TvPs. Also, his TvP is good as he demonstrated in GSL Nov.

My predictions will be
MC > Ganzi
Jjakji >Parting
MC == Jjakji (too close to call)
Parting > Ganzi
(MC || Jjakji) > Parting

Parting if of course a dark horse in this group and can definitely throw in a surprise but I think MC is solid enough to make through.
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
February 08 2012 03:10 GMT
#45
good predictions as always
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zergtat
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Hong Kong853 Posts
February 08 2012 03:24 GMT
#46
MC and Ganzi will take this. Parting is doomed, thanks Fionn.
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wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 03:29:09
February 08 2012 03:27 GMT
#47
Huh, it's funny how the writer pre-emptively ruled out Parting as a hype machine because... well, the guy just did it out of nowhere and there was no hype that came before any of his matches. I mean... when it was Parting's turn for ro32, all new comers to Code S were knocked out and they were far more hyped than he was but he was the only one who went through despite everyone by then thinking all new comers were just hype and went for tried and true players.

The only people who really praise him have been after he won and then people don't really say much other than he's a sick and underrated player.

That said, I agree that he's unproven I just think the hype that the writer argues against isn't actually there.
Gameplay > Personality
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
February 08 2012 06:16 GMT
#48
GanZi, bro. GanZi. Can't be stopped.
#freeshauni
zyce
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States649 Posts
February 08 2012 12:43 GMT
#49
Guess I was the only one I picked Parting and MC? =)
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 13:03:47
February 08 2012 12:50 GMT
#50
On February 08 2012 21:43 zyce wrote:
Guess I was the only one I picked Parting and MC? =)


I had Jjakji and Parting =(

Anyone who watched the KSL knew what a beast Parting was before this GSL.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
February 08 2012 14:11 GMT
#51
Parting and MC ALL THE WAY!
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pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
February 08 2012 17:03 GMT
#52
Perfect liquibets today

Happy to see MC get to next round and parting is great

Hopefully there will be a protoss in the finals this season
DeaDoXFighting
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada115 Posts
February 08 2012 18:24 GMT
#53
Awesome write up as usual keep it up waxangel !
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dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
February 08 2012 20:03 GMT
#54
On February 08 2012 09:49 dgwow wrote:
Considering there's only one other terran in the group, Jjakji could make it through. But I have a feeling Parting and MC will be the ones making it through! (You heard it here first)


Quoted for relevance!

Man Parting played soooo well in those games! Somebody needs to make him a fanclub (I'm lazy)

I don't really like how MC played though... he didn't show how good he is at macro games, I have a feeling he's not at the same level as Parting.
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
February 08 2012 21:13 GMT
#55
On February 08 2012 21:43 zyce wrote:
Guess I was the only one I picked Parting and MC? =)


I had parting beat jijaki, but ganzi beating parting. With mc and ganzi going through.

Ah well still good enough for top100 in liquibet
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