EPTLooking to buy xbox/pc monitor
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Czarkasm
United States22 Posts
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Czarkasm
United States22 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236117 | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
That monitor is just the LED backlight version (newer trend for LCD monitors) of the older VH236H used by MLG, Evo, etc. The VH236H uses compact fluorescent backlighting like most older LCD monitors. Picture is fine, response time is low, input lag is something like 10 ms on average, so good but not phenomenal. Stand is okay. Should be very good for your purposes, unless you want to sit at a weird angle or expect the built-in speakers not to be trash. | ||
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jongzor
United States189 Posts
On September 30 2011 10:28 Czarkasm wrote: EDIT: Was looking at this one for the 2ms response time, looks good to me could anyone tell me if this would support the 360 as I would like it to? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236117 I actually have the exact same monitor and use it for the same purpose. I have my 360 plugged into my HDMI port and my computer plugged into the DVI. It gets the job done. | ||
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Czarkasm
United States22 Posts
On September 30 2011 10:58 Myrmidon wrote: If you have an old Xbox 360, you would probably want to get the Xbox 360 AV (proprietary connector on console side) to VGA cable. Like most computer monitors and unlike most TVs, that model does not have composite or component inputs. Newer Xbox 360 can just use HDMI, so that's no issue. That monitor is just the LED backlight version (newer trend for LCD monitors) of the older VH236H used by MLG, Evo, etc. The VH236H uses compact fluorescent backlighting like most older LCD monitors. Picture is fine, response time is low, input lag is something like 10 ms on average, so good but not phenomenal. Stand is okay. Should be very good for your purposes, unless you want to sit at a weird angle or expect the built-in speakers not to be trash. I actually have the new slim 360 so that's good to hear. Sounds good, just one more question, does it have the inputs to be able to support using the Happauge PVR capture card? In case you don't know what that is: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html I am wondering if using that will create input lag for when I play. Also, what cables would I need to purchase to accommodate this setup? Links would be great. Thanks for your help so far to both who posted, I appreciate it. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
HD PVR does not support HDMI I think. You'd be back to using component in and then having to convert that to something the monitor can use. If you don't have the cables to hook it up, then you need to buy them. You may need some RCA cables for audio in general if you're not passing audio through HDMI, so don't forget that. Blackmagic Intensity is a similar product that can take HDMI in and pass HDMI out. However, like the other consumer-level stuff (HD PVR included), it cannot record 1080p at 60 fps. You would need to send 720p (or maybe 1080i?), which is not ideal since that would degrade the picture quality somewhat and require upscaling by the monitor. Actually, most Xbox 360 games should be 720p internally, but having the Xbox 360 do the upscaling is probably better than having the monitor do it. I think both products do proper passthrough, where the output is not delayed compared to the input. You could always use a Y-splitter instead, where both the monitor and recording device get different ends, which would guarantee the monitor's not getting a delayed signal. That still doesn't solve the 1080p at 60 fps issue. | ||
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jacosajh
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As Myrm said, playing on the monitor while it passes through the computer isn't ideal. There is some processing lag because your computer has to encode the entire process. People have gotten around this issue by using a y-splitter. So you'd actually need two monitors/tvs/screens/etc. (Unless you just set your computer up to record before hand, and not use the monitor for your computer while you play) But, I don't think anything out there right now can record in 1080p because of HDCP. So there goes going an HDMI y-splitter. I just went through this process for my brother's Xbox 360 recording stuff, and I couldn't find any. So really, you don't have any choice except to play in 720p and use an HDMI or Component y-splitter. If you're just looking for a monitor to play on your Xbox 360 standalone, just pick one that you like with 1080p and HDMI. | ||
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Czarkasm
United States22 Posts
I would like to clarify a few things: I am trying to record while I play with the HD PVR (which I already own so I would rather buy any splitters/extra cables than buying another cap card). Also, I do not expect the monitor to be used for my PC as well as my xbox at the same time. I just wanted to make sure the monitor I was purchasing would be both xbox and PC compatible. As for sound I will be using my Turtle Beach headset, and already own some RCA cables. I am a bit lost on both of your instructions on playing while recording. I would like the quality for both to be as high as possible. That is, I would like the PVR to record in 720p as from what I understand, that is the maximum quality it is capable of recording. I found this post on the MLG site which seems relevant, though a translation to english would be great: http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/211055-want-to-play-in-1080p-vga-and-capturestream-in-720p-component-or-hdmi-look-here-vga-streaming/ The post could be in chinese and I would understand the same amount. I don't read chinese. | ||
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jacosajh
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Strictly speaking, on recording: From what I remember, you can't record PS3 or Xbox 360 in 1080p using HDMI because it's HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection). So when it goes to your "recorder" whatever medium that may be, it is not capable of doing that because it's encrypted or whatever. This is because HDMI is digital. So your best bet is to record in 720p or use component (red green blue connectors) for 1080p (If I'm not mistaken this is possible on an Xbox 360). Component is analog so it isn't possible to encrypt the signal so speak. Strictly speaking on being Xbox 360 or PC capable (for your monitor): Xbox 360 can output HDMI, RCA Yellow, or RCA Component Red Green Blue. Since monitors will typically not have RCA Yellow or RCA Component, you'd need to get a monitor with HDMI input. These monitors will also typically have DVI, so you can use that for your PC. If not, you may also have HDMI output on your graphics card to use to connect to the same HDMI input on the monitor as your Xbox 360. But this would involve plugging and unplugging whenever you wanted to switch between the two, instead of pressing the buttons to switch inputs on the monitor. A monitor with HDMI output usually comes in 1080p, but in case I'm mistaken, just make sure it is. Strictly speaking on recording on your PVR while playing Xbox 360: If you are going to be playing and recording, at the same time, it is not ideal to use your PC as a pass-through. For example, if your set-up is going to be Xbox 360 -> PC recording while playing -> output to monitor... that will introduce lag because the PC is going to add some process delay. Which is quite noticeable compared to just using Xbox 360 -> monitor (without having the PC in between). People have gotten around this by using two screens, and using a Y-splitter. So they have... Xbox 360 --> monitor (what they use to actually watch and play on) \--> PC -> other monitor (what they use to record) The one they record on will be a bit behind because the PC has to process the information, but the other monitor will be spot-on. The other workaround is to just use one monitor, but pre-set on your PC beforehand, to record. So the steps would include: 1. Turning on your Xbox 360 and have it plugged into your PVR card (one of the HDMI y-splitter ends) 2. Going on your PC, setting up your recording software, and telling it to record 3. Leave the actual PC on, but unplug it from the monitor 4. Taking the other HDMI Y-splitter end and plugging it into your monitor 5. Playing your games while your PC records 6. When your done, just reverse the order and tell your PC to stop recording. A bit cumbersome but you don't have to use two screens. I hope that helps. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
So even though technically, a monitor with HDMI would be capable for both your PC and Xbox 360, you won't be able to use a Component Y-splitter (since monitors don't have Component inputs). Your only option would be to do Xbox 360 -> PVR / PC -> Monitor ...unless you get another PVR If your PC is powerful enough, it might be fine, but still isn't ideal IMO | ||
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Czarkasm
United States22 Posts
Was doing some research and this seems like a possible solution: http://www.atlona.com/Atlona-VGA-to-HDMI-Scaler-Converter-USB-Powered.html I think it can scale the 1080p down to 720p for the PVR if I understand correctly. Probably something I'm missing though. If need be I will settle for something that won't be useable with a PC as long as it fits the above requirements. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
What are the specs on the laptop if you don't mind me asking? You can probably just get a smaller-size TV and use it as a monitor. It might run a little more but it'll have component hook-ups. Since you're looking at a scaler that runs for $150, this shouldn't be a problem. To summarize, you might want a TV that has: HDMI 1080p Component 2-5ms | ||
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Czarkasm
United States22 Posts
Computer Model: NV58 Series Computer Manufacturer: Gateway OS Name: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium |C:\Windows|\Device\Harddisk0\Partition2 OS Version: 6.0.6002 System Type: x64-based PC Total Physical Memory: 4024 MB Windows Directory: C:\Windows BIOS Version: Ver 1.00PARTTBL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T6500 @ 2.10GHz Video Card: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family Resolution: 1366 x 768 x 4294967296 colors Any good TV similar to the ASUS that you would reccomend? | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On October 01 2011 06:51 jacosajh wrote: I just realized that your PVR only uses Component, and has no HDMI. So you can't use an HDMI Y-splitter. So even though technically, a monitor with HDMI would be capable for both your PC and Xbox 360, you won't be able to use a Component Y-splitter (since monitors don't have Component inputs). Your only option would be to do Xbox 360 -> PVR / PC -> Monitor ...unless you get another PVR If your PC is powerful enough, it might be fine, but still isn't ideal IMO actually some monitors do have component. ASUS's 3d monitors do (but they are pricy), as does this samsung http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001423 It's only 21.5" and is gonna run about $230 with shipping from NE, but it has component inputs... If there is a version out there without the TV tuner it would prolly be cheaper too. | ||
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Czarkasm
United States22 Posts
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jacosajh
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That being said there are some fairly cheap 24" tv's out there with HDMI, Component, and 1080p. Are you sure there is a difference between 2 and 5 ms? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
But in general it's more than fine. You should be much much much much much much more worried about processing and display latencies, resulting in so-called input lag. If you want to record 720p and are that serious as to worry about 5ms response time, you should be using a native 720p monitor for gaming so the monitor doesn't have to spend extra time upscaling. edit: actually, 1080i maybe sounds more reasonable? Most TVs have significantly worse input lag than most monitors. 30ms or worse delay is very common for TVs. I think the cheaper smaller ones are not so bad in that area in general, but still you should look that up. | ||
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