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An Open Letter to Blizzard Regarding Divisions

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Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 12:06:25
May 22 2010 10:00 GMT
#1
Dear Blizzard,
I have never made a game capable of filling stadiums with tens of thousands of spectators. I don't have 11 million players playing in a world I created. Nor do I have 2.5 billion dollars laying around in my bank account. I am simply one fan with an opinion I think you need to hear.

As a competitive StarCraft II player, I feel obliged to let you know that I find your current ladder system disappointing. I understand it is a work in progress and you have a million other things to work on, so I don't want to focus on the technical shortcomings. Instead I will consider only the changes that have already been made.

From the overall design of a segregated ladder and recent changes such as removing division numbers and taking away the ability for any player to create a uniquely identifiable name, it is obvious that you intend to obscure each player's global ranking information as much as possible. While your goal may be to let us all feel better about ourselves, I find it frustrating and condescending. I want to know how I stand compared to everyone, and as it turns out, I'm not alone.

Since I launched StarCraftRankings.com a little over a month ago, over 30,000 people have checked the rankings of themselves and their friends more than 500,000 times. My logs show that several hundred of those were even from your own office.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy writing my own ladder page for a game I love, but I think we'd all prefer that you just stop hiding information from your most dedicated fans in the first place.

An eternal fan,
Gibybo

--
I have posted it on the front page of StarCraftRankings.com but I would appreciate some community support

On Blizzard's forums: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25026573397&sid=5000
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
May 22 2010 10:02 GMT
#2
On May 22 2010 19:00 Gibybo wrote:
As a self-appointed representative of competitive StarCraft II players,

stopped reading here

User was temp banned for this post.
brood war for life, brood war forever
Zeromadcowz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada241 Posts
May 22 2010 10:03 GMT
#3
thats a shame because what followed was intelligent
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
May 22 2010 10:03 GMT
#4
Awesome man, personal thanks from me for making that site btw I've certainly used it. Hopefully you can use the site to leverage your case and get some real attention. Real feels condescending by Blizzard to try and hide the global ratings.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 22 2010 10:04 GMT
#5
Signed a million times over.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
May 22 2010 10:04 GMT
#6
On May 22 2010 19:02 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 19:00 Gibybo wrote:
As a self-appointed representative of competitive StarCraft II players,

stopped reading here


You shouldn't have, the point he makes about starcraftrankings.com is really valid.
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
lew
Profile Joined April 2009
Belgium205 Posts
May 22 2010 10:04 GMT
#7
Nice letter. I really hope that blizzard totally changes battlenet. Leagues are okay but divisions are not. Let's hope they remove the division crap and add a nice ranking. I also hope that the facebook thing gets removed.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 22 2010 10:05 GMT
#8
On May 22 2010 19:02 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 19:00 Gibybo wrote:
As a self-appointed representative of competitive StarCraft II players,

stopped reading here

You shouldn't have.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Therapist
Profile Joined April 2010
United States97 Posts
May 22 2010 10:05 GMT
#9
I completely agree with you Gibybo.
Necrosjef
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom530 Posts
May 22 2010 10:08 GMT
#10
On May 22 2010 19:04 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Signed a million times over.


This.

/Signed
Europe Server Diamond Player: ID=Necrosjef Code=957
Kegs.aus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia133 Posts
May 22 2010 10:08 GMT
#11
Agreed
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 22 2010 10:09 GMT
#12
On May 22 2010 19:02 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 19:00 Gibybo wrote:
As a self-appointed representative of competitive StarCraft II players,

stopped reading here


That's unfortunate, I thought I made it clear with 'self-appointed' that I did not mean to claim I spoke for anyone else, although I think it is clear a lot of people agree with the message overall.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15466 Posts
May 22 2010 10:12 GMT
#13
Absolutely agreed. You never cease to amaze me, Gibybo. I feel the same way. You do a better job of explaining it than I would though >_<
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
May 22 2010 10:14 GMT
#14
/signed sealed and sent to elven_z for playtesting...

Post on the official forums!
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
May 22 2010 10:14 GMT
#15
On May 22 2010 19:09 Gibybo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 19:02 Crunchums wrote:
On May 22 2010 19:00 Gibybo wrote:
As a self-appointed representative of competitive StarCraft II players,

stopped reading here


That's unfortunate, I thought I made it clear with 'self-appointed' that I did not mean to claim I spoke for anyone else, although I think it is clear a lot of people agree with the message overall.


You should take out "self appointed". Instead of showing Bliz that you don't "mean to claim [you] spoke for anyone else", it seems more like you're being pretentious.

Besides that... I agree with your message.

Signed.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 10:17:16
May 22 2010 10:16 GMT
#16
I think you're right, I've modified the wording a little to better fit the tone I was going for.
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
May 22 2010 10:18 GMT
#17
You sure as hell have my support.
Everyone needs a nemesis.
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
May 22 2010 10:20 GMT
#18
i dont mind the divisions as i actually find them to be kinda fun. But there should be someway of finding out if im better ranked than my friends. Mb just remove the bonus pool. then the score would be even for all the divisons.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Teejing
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany1360 Posts
May 22 2010 10:24 GMT
#19
/Signed
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
May 22 2010 10:24 GMT
#20
*signed and agreed in full.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
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