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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 15 2013 02:10 GMT
#1121
On October 15 2013 11:09 argonautdice wrote:
It looks like they're doing Challenger Ro16 right after this? That's kinda interesting... so the 2 losers of the group has to play 2 of the 8 players from Challenger?

I hope not, that would be too stressful. >.<
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dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
October 15 2013 02:11 GMT
#1122
On October 15 2013 11:08 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 11:06 dafunk wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:04 Waise wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:01 dafunk wrote:
I dont understand how you can be a PROFESSIONAL PLAYER, play this f----- game 12h a day and still float 2k mineral in the mid game, EVERY SINGLE GAME.

RoOOoOoOoOOAAAAAAAAR, I want to break everything at home srsly...

and commentators, as always and like in every single tournament, dont comment on this............................

larva mechanic allows zerg to float money more comfortably if terran isn't in the middle of a death march


thats stupid. If he had spend these extra minerals he would've stomped heart 5 mins earlier. Thats not something you plan on doing just for the sake of it.

plus he was being pressured like hell

i was answering how a professional player can float so much money

i'm not saying it's "standard" or good to float all that money, but you have to agree that a zerg floating minerals is different from a terran doing the same. it's impossible to build 40 marines at once but you can easily make 80 zerglings at once at that point in the game


Yes and no, cause you're not going to magically inject 40 larvae out of nowhere.
Well, I guess I'm just sad that Sen is never going to be a top tier player :/
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 02:13:14
October 15 2013 02:12 GMT
#1123
On October 15 2013 11:04 Oboeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 11:02 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:01 dafunk wrote:
I dont understand how you can be a PROFESSIONAL PLAYER, play this f----- game 12h a day and still float 2k mineral in the mid game, EVERY SINGLE GAME.

RoOOoOoOoOOAAAAAAAAR, I want to break everything at home srsly...

because he was maxed?


sen has been consistently floating money, well before maxing out in every game today. it's been puzzling me, especially since he always seems to have more units than his opponent, even when he is floating.

that's true but when I looked he was maxed/within 10 supply of being maxed and @ 2k mins 500~ or so gas
Moderatorlickypiddy
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 15 2013 02:12 GMT
#1124
On October 15 2013 11:09 The_Templar wrote:
(T)Heart vs (Z)Sen
1-1
Map: Bel'shir Vestige


Sen spawns in the top left.
Heart spawns in the bottom right.

2:00
Heart doing a CC first into barracks-->refinery.
Sen doing a hatchery first into a spawning pool.

3:00
Sen getting no extractors, just drones and 2 queens.
Heart getting marines.

4:00
Heart building a factory.
Sen building 2 more queens.
Heart getting a second refinery down.

5:00
Heart building a starport.
Sen constructing a roach warren.
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TL+ Member
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
October 15 2013 02:15 GMT
#1125
On October 15 2013 11:10 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 11:09 argonautdice wrote:
It looks like they're doing Challenger Ro16 right after this? That's kinda interesting... so the 2 losers of the group has to play 2 of the 8 players from Challenger?

I hope not, that would be too stressful. >.<

+1 for me. WCS AM during the weekdays just seem to drag on a lot longer than EU/KR. I think it's long downtimes but I'm already zoning out during this series.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 02:16:21
October 15 2013 02:15 GMT
#1126
oops. Heart put a hellion on a creep tumour to splash it, and he one-shot his own hellion.

i think. i thought i saw the debris fly from the corner of the screen.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 15 2013 02:16 GMT
#1127
On October 15 2013 11:12 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 11:09 The_Templar wrote:
(T)Heart vs (Z)Sen
1-1
Map: Bel'shir Vestige


Sen spawns in the top left.
Heart spawns in the bottom right.

2:00
Heart doing a CC first into barracks-->refinery.
Sen doing a hatchery first into a spawning pool.

3:00
Sen getting no extractors, just drones and 2 queens.
Heart getting marines.

4:00
Heart building a factory.
Sen building 2 more queens.
Heart getting a second refinery down.

5:00
Heart building a starport.
Sen constructing a roach warren.
Sen getting an extractor.

6:00 (T)Heart 47 vs (Z)Sen 54
Sen getting overlord speed.
Heart building a banshee and 2 hellions.
Sen starts zergling speed.

7:00 (T)Heart 64 vs (Z)Sen 74
Sen building a third base
Heart pushing with hellions and a banshee but Sen is prepared.
Heart getting stim.
Heart making a third command center.

8:00 (T)Heart 72 vs (Z)Sen 81
Heart getting +1/1, Sen getting 1/1 a bit faster.
Sen getting a baneling nest and a lair.

9:00 (T)Heart 90 vs (Z)Sen 89
Heart getting 2 medivacs at a time.
Sen getting 2 more extractors.
Heart building 2 more barracks.
Sen getting 11 more drones.

10:00 (T)Heart 110 vs (Z)Sen 102
Sen making banelings.
Heart pushing out with hellion/marine/medivac and a banshee.
Sen building a 4th base.
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TL+ Member
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
October 15 2013 02:16 GMT
#1128
On October 15 2013 11:11 dafunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 11:08 Waise wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:06 dafunk wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:04 Waise wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:01 dafunk wrote:
I dont understand how you can be a PROFESSIONAL PLAYER, play this f----- game 12h a day and still float 2k mineral in the mid game, EVERY SINGLE GAME.

RoOOoOoOoOOAAAAAAAAR, I want to break everything at home srsly...

and commentators, as always and like in every single tournament, dont comment on this............................

larva mechanic allows zerg to float money more comfortably if terran isn't in the middle of a death march


thats stupid. If he had spend these extra minerals he would've stomped heart 5 mins earlier. Thats not something you plan on doing just for the sake of it.

plus he was being pressured like hell

i was answering how a professional player can float so much money

i'm not saying it's "standard" or good to float all that money, but you have to agree that a zerg floating minerals is different from a terran doing the same. it's impossible to build 40 marines at once but you can easily make 80 zerglings at once at that point in the game


Yes and no, cause you're not going to magically inject 40 larvae out of nowhere.
Well, I guess I'm just sad that Sen is never going to be a top tier player :/

no but if you're not macroing perfectly the larvae add up, which is kind of what i was getting at. every second a barracks isn't building is literally almost a waste of its existence, but larvae stick around/stack up a bit and build simultaneously to give you a buffer zone

honestly i would be more worried about sen's army control than his macro after today
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 15 2013 02:17 GMT
#1129
NOOOOO SEN!
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12499 Posts
October 15 2013 02:17 GMT
#1130
On October 15 2013 11:15 Oboeman wrote:
oops. Heart put a hellion on a creep tumour to splash it, and he one-shot his own hellion.

i think. i thought i saw the debris fly from the corner of the screen.

Cost efficient creep tumor
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 02:20:44
October 15 2013 02:19 GMT
#1131
On October 15 2013 11:16 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 11:11 dafunk wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:08 Waise wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:06 dafunk wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:04 Waise wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:01 dafunk wrote:
I dont understand how you can be a PROFESSIONAL PLAYER, play this f----- game 12h a day and still float 2k mineral in the mid game, EVERY SINGLE GAME.

RoOOoOoOoOOAAAAAAAAR, I want to break everything at home srsly...

and commentators, as always and like in every single tournament, dont comment on this............................

larva mechanic allows zerg to float money more comfortably if terran isn't in the middle of a death march


thats stupid. If he had spend these extra minerals he would've stomped heart 5 mins earlier. Thats not something you plan on doing just for the sake of it.

plus he was being pressured like hell

i was answering how a professional player can float so much money

i'm not saying it's "standard" or good to float all that money, but you have to agree that a zerg floating minerals is different from a terran doing the same. it's impossible to build 40 marines at once but you can easily make 80 zerglings at once at that point in the game


Yes and no, cause you're not going to magically inject 40 larvae out of nowhere.
Well, I guess I'm just sad that Sen is never going to be a top tier player :/

no but if you're not macroing perfectly the larvae add up, which is kind of what i was getting at. every second a barracks isn't building is literally almost a waste of its existence, but larvae stick around/stack up a bit and build simultaneously to give you a buffer zone

honestly i would be more worried about sen's army control than his macro after today


Then you arnt looking at whats important.

Hes floating 1k to 1k5 minerals in this game too. Had his fourth canceled three times. He could've shut down everything. Take map control and take a fifth + gaz.

But well..

ps : natural larvae production isnt enough compared to income when you're on 3 or 4 bases. Its very very limited.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 15 2013 02:20 GMT
#1132
On October 15 2013 11:16 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 11:12 The_Templar wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:09 The_Templar wrote:
(T)Heart vs (Z)Sen
1-1
Map: Bel'shir Vestige


Sen spawns in the top left.
Heart spawns in the bottom right.

2:00
Heart doing a CC first into barracks-->refinery.
Sen doing a hatchery first into a spawning pool.

3:00
Sen getting no extractors, just drones and 2 queens.
Heart getting marines.

4:00
Heart building a factory.
Sen building 2 more queens.
Heart getting a second refinery down.

5:00
Heart building a starport.
Sen constructing a roach warren.
Sen getting an extractor.

6:00 (T)Heart 47 vs (Z)Sen 54
Sen getting overlord speed.
Heart building a banshee and 2 hellions.
Sen starts zergling speed.

7:00 (T)Heart 64 vs (Z)Sen 74
Sen building a third base
Heart pushing with hellions and a banshee but Sen is prepared.
Heart getting stim.
Heart making a third command center.

8:00 (T)Heart 72 vs (Z)Sen 81
Heart getting +1/1, Sen getting 1/1 a bit faster.
Sen getting a baneling nest and a lair.

9:00 (T)Heart 90 vs (Z)Sen 89
Heart getting 2 medivacs at a time.
Sen getting 2 more extractors.
Heart building 2 more barracks.
Sen getting 11 more drones.

10:00 (T)Heart 110 vs (Z)Sen 102
Sen making banelings.
Heart pushing out with hellion/marine/medivac and a banshee.
Sen building a 4th base.

11:00 (T)Heart 120 vs (Z)Sen 120
Sen running into Heart's army with banelings off creep and loses more than needed.
Heart doing a double drop with medivacs.
Sen has mutalisks already but he flies into the main army instead of dealing with the drop.

12:00 (T)Heart 141 vs (Z)Sen 124
Heart making a turret in his main base.
Sen rebuilding his 4th base which is seen by a banshee, which is killed.
Heart moving to kill creep.

13:00 (T)Heart 161 vs (Z)Sen 146
Heart building a 4th CC and getting the widow mine upgrade and 2/2.
Sen getting +2 ground armor and +1 air weapons.
Heart doing an on-creep attack towards the 4th base of Sen and kills lots of banelings in exchange for widow mines.
Heart does a drop on the natural which is killed.

14:00 (T)Heart 181 vs (Z)Sen 161
Heart has few widow mines.
Sen runs banelings into the army of Heart but Heart manages to split well enough.

15:00 (T)Heart 188 vs (Z)Sen 146
Sen tries to defend his 4th base.
Heart splits marines well against the off-creep banelings.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 15 2013 02:21 GMT
#1133
gg heart
Moderatorlickypiddy
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 15 2013 02:22 GMT
#1134
On October 15 2013 11:20 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 11:16 The_Templar wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:12 The_Templar wrote:
On October 15 2013 11:09 The_Templar wrote:
(T)Heart vs (Z)Sen
1-1
Map: Bel'shir Vestige


Sen spawns in the top left.
Heart spawns in the bottom right.

2:00
Heart doing a CC first into barracks-->refinery.
Sen doing a hatchery first into a spawning pool.

3:00
Sen getting no extractors, just drones and 2 queens.
Heart getting marines.

4:00
Heart building a factory.
Sen building 2 more queens.
Heart getting a second refinery down.

5:00
Heart building a starport.
Sen constructing a roach warren.
Sen getting an extractor.

6:00 (T)Heart 47 vs (Z)Sen 54
Sen getting overlord speed.
Heart building a banshee and 2 hellions.
Sen starts zergling speed.

7:00 (T)Heart 64 vs (Z)Sen 74
Sen building a third base
Heart pushing with hellions and a banshee but Sen is prepared.
Heart getting stim.
Heart making a third command center.

8:00 (T)Heart 72 vs (Z)Sen 81
Heart getting +1/1, Sen getting 1/1 a bit faster.
Sen getting a baneling nest and a lair.

9:00 (T)Heart 90 vs (Z)Sen 89
Heart getting 2 medivacs at a time.
Sen getting 2 more extractors.
Heart building 2 more barracks.
Sen getting 11 more drones.

10:00 (T)Heart 110 vs (Z)Sen 102
Sen making banelings.
Heart pushing out with hellion/marine/medivac and a banshee.
Sen building a 4th base.

11:00 (T)Heart 120 vs (Z)Sen 120
Sen running into Heart's army with banelings off creep and loses more than needed.
Heart doing a double drop with medivacs.
Sen has mutalisks already but he flies into the main army instead of dealing with the drop.

12:00 (T)Heart 141 vs (Z)Sen 124
Heart making a turret in his main base.
Sen rebuilding his 4th base which is seen by a banshee, which is killed.
Heart moving to kill creep.

13:00 (T)Heart 161 vs (Z)Sen 146
Heart building a 4th CC and getting the widow mine upgrade and 2/2.
Sen getting +2 ground armor and +1 air weapons.
Heart doing an on-creep attack towards the 4th base of Sen and kills lots of banelings in exchange for widow mines.
Heart does a drop on the natural which is killed.

14:00 (T)Heart 181 vs (Z)Sen 161
Heart has few widow mines.
Sen runs banelings into the army of Heart but Heart manages to split well enough.

15:00 (T)Heart 188 vs (Z)Sen 146
Sen tries to defend his 4th base.
Heart splits marines well against the off-creep banelings.

16:00 (T)Heart 161 vs (Z)Sen 129
Sen loses his 4th base but manages to push Heart's forces back.
Heart reinforces with marine/medivac.

17:00 (T)Heart 169 vs (Z)Sen 119
Sen has run out of mutalisks.
Sen building more mutalisks and zergling but almost no banelings.
Both players starting 3/3.

18:00 (T)Heart 172 vs (Z)Sen 104
Sen retaking his 4th base.
Sen has banelings but they run into widow mines and Heart crushes everything easily.
Sen GG's.
Heart wins 2-1!
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
October 15 2013 02:22 GMT
#1135
GG well played, Heart
very illegal and very uncool
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 15 2013 02:22 GMT
#1136
Poll: Heart vs Sen: Game 3

★★★ - Good game (2)
 
40%

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
 
40%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
20%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
 
0%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

5 total votes

Your vote: Heart vs Sen: Game 3

(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season

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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 15 2013 02:22 GMT
#1137
At this rate GSTL might start just as WCS AM finishes, that would be swell.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
October 15 2013 02:22 GMT
#1138
Reminds me of WW1, when cavalry charged into machine gun fire.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 02:24:00
October 15 2013 02:23 GMT
#1139
Goodnight everyone, parental controls
Team Taeja wins against Heart of course.

[image loading]



He'd better.
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AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
October 15 2013 02:25 GMT
#1140
Come on Heart with Innovation, Ryung and MMA to practice with you have a shot of beating Tajea.
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
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