[MLG] Summer Arena Discussion - Page 39

On August 05 2012 08:57 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
To follow up on what I said about Saint earlier:

The biggest problem is that he is so predictable. If he has the choice of doing A, B or C, you know he is going to do B every single time. If you know how one player on a team is going to behave, and their shot-caller at that, it becomes incredibly easy to plan around them. SaintV hasn't changed his play enough to adapt to what everyone else is doing. When you watch Azubu Helios, he's incredibly flexible. He pull off these amazing counterganks because you can't tell what he's going. (Well, at least not until people analyse him much more)

Another thing with Saint is that he's very good if he can stick to his pre-planned routes and patterns. But push him into uncomfortable territory, and he's much less effective. In TSM v Crs, it kept reminding me of the IPL Finals CLG.NA v TSM Series 2. When Saint gets counterjungled at his starting location, he can't recover very well. Especially since you know what he's going to do, so you can shut him down even more.

His third problem is that he likes zerging the AD Carry too much. This was a major problem on CLG. He's far too aggressive and goes ballistic sometimes which leaves his backline exposed. And once the AD Carry goes down, it's all downhill from there. He's too impatient and greedy, trying to go for Buffs he knows are warded and delaying key skills to try and get maximum value when he just needs it now. It was fine back in CLG when the rest of his team was good enough to cover for his moves and outclassed most other teams in general. But the level of competition is much higher how. And he's got to carry Elementz support (who can't make plays).

Saint is still a good player. But he's being outclassed right now. Just as TOO had to adapt and learn to jungle again, SaintV is going to need to do the same to get back to his old form.

On August 05 2012 10:32 schmutttt wrote:
As each tournament goes by I think CLGs decision to kick Saint is more and more justified. CLG have only gotten better since the swap and Curse haven't really improved a whole lot (When everyone expected they would as Saint appeared to be a big upgrade).

On August 05 2012 10:36 NeoIllusions wrote:


Humbleness is an important trait in a group setting. Saint can be right every time but his personality can bring down a team np
CLG called him toxic for good reason

On August 05 2012 15:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:

Too bad the other members of CLG don't have great team personalities. Everyone just seems really distant from each other. I think they got "a little better" not a lot better.