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On January 12 2014 00:31 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 00:23 Jade wrote:Name: Romson Server: EU/WCS Qualifiers League: GM Replay Link : http://ggtracker.com/matches/4598434Description: - Timestamps - (after minute 10 )really suspicious army movements when i was playing blink stalkers, moving around your base when scouting twilight is normal, 10:46, i am about to blink in, he moves closer to that direction/closer to his robo. 10:47 he Attack clicks/amoves near his robo not even seeing the stalkers yet. Also after killing off most of my stalkers he still moves around quite strangely in relation to where my stalkers were. - walling off at his third and slowly adding more and more cannons/pylons when without information about my army composition/army overall. 13:51 he hallucinates a pheonix and sends it over to scout. 14:06 he adds a cannon which is normal but after that, 14:13 he starts walling off the third just before his pheonix scouts my army ( you can see he started que'ing gateways. 15:31 Just before the attack, he hallucinates a collosus (before that he still adds more cannons @15:26) I am not 100% sure if Romson hacks, would be a shame because he was a nice guy to me in the past, but yeah. ( Also what i said before leaving was " fucking awesome map control yo" i dont know man, romson is high gm for many, many seasons. i would need very hard proof to believe someone like him maphacks. guy is just pretty good and can "call" a lot of things other people wouldnt, without seeing them.
What struck me as weird are two points, as mentioned above: at 10:46 he moves his army into his main, then a-moves it right as the stalkers blink into it without having seen it. Later, he hallucinates a colossus a split second before the enemy army becomes visible. He had no vision at all, nor could've known that he was being attacked right that very second.
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On January 12 2014 00:23 Jade wrote:Name: Romson Server: EU/WCS Qualifiers League: GM Replay Link : http://ggtracker.com/matches/4598434Description: - Timestamps - (after minute 10 )really suspicious army movements when i was playing blink stalkers, moving around your base when scouting twilight is normal, 10:46, i am about to blink in, he moves closer to that direction/closer to his robo. 10:47 he Attack clicks/amoves near his robo not even seeing the stalkers yet. Also after killing off most of my stalkers he still moves around quite strangely in relation to where my stalkers were. - walling off at his third and slowly adding more and more cannons/pylons when without information about my army composition/army overall. 13:51 he hallucinates a pheonix and sends it over to scout. 14:06 he adds a cannon which is normal but after that, 14:13 he starts walling off the third just before his pheonix scouts my army ( you can see he started que'ing gateways. 15:31 Just before the attack, he hallucinates a collosus (before that he still adds more cannons @15:26) I am not 100% sure if Romson hacks, would be a shame because he was a nice guy to me in the past, but yeah. ( Also what i said before leaving was " fucking awesome map control yo"
10;46 i scouted your nexus so its obvious to me im not being blink allined so all i need to worry about is stalker harass thats why i put my army in my main and leave msc at natural incase stalkers come there to photon overcharge
13:51 whats your point? hallu scout is standard, i need to see if you are making third aswell or allining me
15:31 again, whats your point? i saw your army coming with a hallu and was able to estimate the time of arrival so i hallucinated a colossus like 10s before the fight, added cannons because i know i just need to hold your allin and then i win
the only "suspicious" thing i did in the game was respositioning my army in my main at the exact moment u were about to blink which is a bit of a coincidence but really just bad play from me because my army should have been there earlier
it seems you are grasping at straws with all the other timestamps, u mention me phoenix scouting as if thats something out of the ordinary
you should have just talked to me after the game id gladly tell you why i did what i did but u chose to spread rage induced rumors instead, pretty sad.
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On January 12 2014 02:31 Romson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 00:23 Jade wrote:Name: Romson Server: EU/WCS Qualifiers League: GM Replay Link : http://ggtracker.com/matches/4598434Description: - Timestamps - (after minute 10 )really suspicious army movements when i was playing blink stalkers, moving around your base when scouting twilight is normal, 10:46, i am about to blink in, he moves closer to that direction/closer to his robo. 10:47 he Attack clicks/amoves near his robo not even seeing the stalkers yet. Also after killing off most of my stalkers he still moves around quite strangely in relation to where my stalkers were. - walling off at his third and slowly adding more and more cannons/pylons when without information about my army composition/army overall. 13:51 he hallucinates a pheonix and sends it over to scout. 14:06 he adds a cannon which is normal but after that, 14:13 he starts walling off the third just before his pheonix scouts my army ( you can see he started que'ing gateways. 15:31 Just before the attack, he hallucinates a collosus (before that he still adds more cannons @15:26) I am not 100% sure if Romson hacks, would be a shame because he was a nice guy to me in the past, but yeah. ( Also what i said before leaving was " fucking awesome map control yo" 10;46 i scouted your nexus so its obvious to me im not being blink allined so all i need to worry about is stalker harass thats why i put my army in my main and leave msc at natural incase stalkers come there to photon overcharge 13:51 whats your point? hallu scout is standard, i need to see if you are making third aswell or allining me 15:31 again, whats your point? i saw your army coming with a hallu and was able to estimate the time of arrival so i hallucinated a colossus like 10s before the fight, added cannons because i know i just need to hold your allin and then i win the only "suspicious" thing i did in the game was respositioning my army in my main at the exact moment u were about to blink which is a bit of a coincidence but really just bad play from me because my army should have been there earlier it seems you are grasping at straws with all the other timestamps, u mention me phoenix scouting as if thats something out of the ordinary you should have just talked to me after the game id gladly tell you why i did what i did but u chose to spread rage induced rumors instead, pretty sad.
When he blinks in with his stalkers the first time, how come you move the camera towards his stalkers in fog of war and attack move towards them. This is inconsistent to how you move your army at all other times when you move command to position and attack move to attack forces. It does make it look suspicious.
13:51 is when you send out your pheonix to scout and after that you have no more vision on the map, yet you wait one and a half minute without even scouting for if he is taking his third of his own, but instead add cannons and hallucinate just when he attacks. Also looks suspicious.
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On January 12 2014 02:31 Romson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 00:23 Jade wrote:Name: Romson Server: EU/WCS Qualifiers League: GM Replay Link : http://ggtracker.com/matches/4598434Description: - Timestamps - (after minute 10 )really suspicious army movements when i was playing blink stalkers, moving around your base when scouting twilight is normal, 10:46, i am about to blink in, he moves closer to that direction/closer to his robo. 10:47 he Attack clicks/amoves near his robo not even seeing the stalkers yet. Also after killing off most of my stalkers he still moves around quite strangely in relation to where my stalkers were. - walling off at his third and slowly adding more and more cannons/pylons when without information about my army composition/army overall. 13:51 he hallucinates a pheonix and sends it over to scout. 14:06 he adds a cannon which is normal but after that, 14:13 he starts walling off the third just before his pheonix scouts my army ( you can see he started que'ing gateways. 15:31 Just before the attack, he hallucinates a collosus (before that he still adds more cannons @15:26) I am not 100% sure if Romson hacks, would be a shame because he was a nice guy to me in the past, but yeah. ( Also what i said before leaving was " fucking awesome map control yo" 10;46 i scouted your nexus so its obvious to me im not being blink allined so all i need to worry about is stalker harass thats why i put my army in my main and leave msc at natural incase stalkers come there to photon overcharge 13:51 whats your point? hallu scout is standard, i need to see if you are making third aswell or allining me 15:31 again, whats your point? i saw your army coming with a hallu and was able to estimate the time of arrival so i hallucinated a colossus like 10s before the fight, added cannons because i know i just need to hold your allin and then i win the only "suspicious" thing i did in the game was respositioning my army in my main at the exact moment u were about to blink which is a bit of a coincidence but really just bad play from me because my army should have been there earlier it seems you are grasping at straws with all the other timestamps, u mention me phoenix scouting as if thats something out of the ordinary you should have just talked to me after the game id gladly tell you why i did what i did but u chose to spread rage induced rumors instead, pretty sad.
I am not spreading rumours, i just posted what all the people do out here, post what they think is suspicious.
10:46 You're avoiding the whole point, how do you explain the a move just at the time of me blinking in?
13:51 Yeah ofc it's standard but i needed to point it out for the next timestamp.
14:06 How do you explain the wall, making it just before spotting my army/army composition, and constant adding of cannons etc?
15:31 You hallucinated the collosus way less than 10 sec before the fight,
Yes i was irritated(rage=/=being irritated/annoyed) after the game so i didn't want to talk to you because i wouldn't act rationally and/or nice, after like 20 mins or so i was reviewing the reps and spotted this stuff.
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If you're not a hacker you shouldn't be worried because you can clean your name by defending yourself with your thought process during the game ,not avoiding all of the points made.
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On January 12 2014 02:43 Jade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 02:31 Romson wrote:On January 12 2014 00:23 Jade wrote:Name: Romson Server: EU/WCS Qualifiers League: GM Replay Link : http://ggtracker.com/matches/4598434Description: - Timestamps - (after minute 10 )really suspicious army movements when i was playing blink stalkers, moving around your base when scouting twilight is normal, 10:46, i am about to blink in, he moves closer to that direction/closer to his robo. 10:47 he Attack clicks/amoves near his robo not even seeing the stalkers yet. Also after killing off most of my stalkers he still moves around quite strangely in relation to where my stalkers were. - walling off at his third and slowly adding more and more cannons/pylons when without information about my army composition/army overall. 13:51 he hallucinates a pheonix and sends it over to scout. 14:06 he adds a cannon which is normal but after that, 14:13 he starts walling off the third just before his pheonix scouts my army ( you can see he started que'ing gateways. 15:31 Just before the attack, he hallucinates a collosus (before that he still adds more cannons @15:26) I am not 100% sure if Romson hacks, would be a shame because he was a nice guy to me in the past, but yeah. ( Also what i said before leaving was " fucking awesome map control yo" 10;46 i scouted your nexus so its obvious to me im not being blink allined so all i need to worry about is stalker harass thats why i put my army in my main and leave msc at natural incase stalkers come there to photon overcharge 13:51 whats your point? hallu scout is standard, i need to see if you are making third aswell or allining me 15:31 again, whats your point? i saw your army coming with a hallu and was able to estimate the time of arrival so i hallucinated a colossus like 10s before the fight, added cannons because i know i just need to hold your allin and then i win the only "suspicious" thing i did in the game was respositioning my army in my main at the exact moment u were about to blink which is a bit of a coincidence but really just bad play from me because my army should have been there earlier it seems you are grasping at straws with all the other timestamps, u mention me phoenix scouting as if thats something out of the ordinary you should have just talked to me after the game id gladly tell you why i did what i did but u chose to spread rage induced rumors instead, pretty sad. I am not spreading rumours, i just posted what all the people do out here, post what they think is suspicious. 10:46 You're avoiding the whole point, how do you explain the a move just at the time of me blinking in? 13:51 Yeah ofc it's standard but i needed to point it out for the next timestamp. 14:06 How do you explain the wall, making it just before spotting my army/army composition, and constant adding of cannons etc? 15:31 You hallucinated the collosus way less than 10 sec before the fight, Yes i was irritated(rage=/=being irritated/annoyed) after the game so i didn't want to talk to you because i wouldn't act rationally and/or nice, after like 20 mins or so i was reviewing the reps and spotted this stuff.
10:46 @9:55 i see with my hallucinated phoenix that your stalkers are not in your base, so they're obviously coming to harass me, thats why i started anticipating the blink in and started to move around my base from 10:00 to 10:46 (when u blinked in)
14:06 i scouted your templar archives and no third base its obvious to me its an zealot/archon/immortal allin, wall is needed to defend that
15:31 so? sentry energy is of little use to me in that kind of fight, i knew you werer coming in the next 10-30s so i hallucinated it
On January 12 2014 02:46 Jade wrote:
If you're not a hacker you shouldn't be worried because you can clean your name by defending yourself with your thought process during the game ,not avoiding all of the points made.
which points did i avoid? please tell me so i can share with you my thought process
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stop defending yourself, people know u play legit.
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On January 12 2014 03:01 Romson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 02:43 Jade wrote:On January 12 2014 02:31 Romson wrote:On January 12 2014 00:23 Jade wrote:Name: Romson Server: EU/WCS Qualifiers League: GM Replay Link : http://ggtracker.com/matches/4598434Description: - Timestamps - (after minute 10 )really suspicious army movements when i was playing blink stalkers, moving around your base when scouting twilight is normal, 10:46, i am about to blink in, he moves closer to that direction/closer to his robo. 10:47 he Attack clicks/amoves near his robo not even seeing the stalkers yet. Also after killing off most of my stalkers he still moves around quite strangely in relation to where my stalkers were. - walling off at his third and slowly adding more and more cannons/pylons when without information about my army composition/army overall. 13:51 he hallucinates a pheonix and sends it over to scout. 14:06 he adds a cannon which is normal but after that, 14:13 he starts walling off the third just before his pheonix scouts my army ( you can see he started que'ing gateways. 15:31 Just before the attack, he hallucinates a collosus (before that he still adds more cannons @15:26) I am not 100% sure if Romson hacks, would be a shame because he was a nice guy to me in the past, but yeah. ( Also what i said before leaving was " fucking awesome map control yo" 10;46 i scouted your nexus so its obvious to me im not being blink allined so all i need to worry about is stalker harass thats why i put my army in my main and leave msc at natural incase stalkers come there to photon overcharge 13:51 whats your point? hallu scout is standard, i need to see if you are making third aswell or allining me 15:31 again, whats your point? i saw your army coming with a hallu and was able to estimate the time of arrival so i hallucinated a colossus like 10s before the fight, added cannons because i know i just need to hold your allin and then i win the only "suspicious" thing i did in the game was respositioning my army in my main at the exact moment u were about to blink which is a bit of a coincidence but really just bad play from me because my army should have been there earlier it seems you are grasping at straws with all the other timestamps, u mention me phoenix scouting as if thats something out of the ordinary you should have just talked to me after the game id gladly tell you why i did what i did but u chose to spread rage induced rumors instead, pretty sad. I am not spreading rumours, i just posted what all the people do out here, post what they think is suspicious. 10:46 You're avoiding the whole point, how do you explain the a move just at the time of me blinking in? 13:51 Yeah ofc it's standard but i needed to point it out for the next timestamp. 14:06 How do you explain the wall, making it just before spotting my army/army composition, and constant adding of cannons etc? 15:31 You hallucinated the collosus way less than 10 sec before the fight, Yes i was irritated(rage=/=being irritated/annoyed) after the game so i didn't want to talk to you because i wouldn't act rationally and/or nice, after like 20 mins or so i was reviewing the reps and spotted this stuff. 10:46 @9:55 i see with my hallucinated phoenix that your stalkers are not in your base, so they're obviously coming to harass me, thats why i started anticipating the blink in and started to move around my base from 10:00 to 10:46 (when u blinked in) 14:06 i scouted your templar archives and no third base its obvious to me its an zealot/archon/immortal allin, wall is needed to defend that 15:31 so? sentry energy is of little use to me in that kind of fight, i knew you werer coming in the next 10-30s so i hallucinated it Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 02:46 Jade wrote:
If you're not a hacker you shouldn't be worried because you can clean your name by defending yourself with your thought process during the game ,not avoiding all of the points made. which points did i avoid? please tell me so i can share with you my thought process
I must say i admire your skill to measure time correctly etc, anyways ( most of the stuff was talked about in private ) i apologize for the wrong accusation and shouldn't act with such rush, we all make mistakes and that is mine.
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On January 12 2014 03:12 Jade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 03:01 Romson wrote:On January 12 2014 02:43 Jade wrote:On January 12 2014 02:31 Romson wrote:On January 12 2014 00:23 Jade wrote:Name: Romson Server: EU/WCS Qualifiers League: GM Replay Link : http://ggtracker.com/matches/4598434Description: - Timestamps - (after minute 10 )really suspicious army movements when i was playing blink stalkers, moving around your base when scouting twilight is normal, 10:46, i am about to blink in, he moves closer to that direction/closer to his robo. 10:47 he Attack clicks/amoves near his robo not even seeing the stalkers yet. Also after killing off most of my stalkers he still moves around quite strangely in relation to where my stalkers were. - walling off at his third and slowly adding more and more cannons/pylons when without information about my army composition/army overall. 13:51 he hallucinates a pheonix and sends it over to scout. 14:06 he adds a cannon which is normal but after that, 14:13 he starts walling off the third just before his pheonix scouts my army ( you can see he started que'ing gateways. 15:31 Just before the attack, he hallucinates a collosus (before that he still adds more cannons @15:26) I am not 100% sure if Romson hacks, would be a shame because he was a nice guy to me in the past, but yeah. ( Also what i said before leaving was " fucking awesome map control yo" 10;46 i scouted your nexus so its obvious to me im not being blink allined so all i need to worry about is stalker harass thats why i put my army in my main and leave msc at natural incase stalkers come there to photon overcharge 13:51 whats your point? hallu scout is standard, i need to see if you are making third aswell or allining me 15:31 again, whats your point? i saw your army coming with a hallu and was able to estimate the time of arrival so i hallucinated a colossus like 10s before the fight, added cannons because i know i just need to hold your allin and then i win the only "suspicious" thing i did in the game was respositioning my army in my main at the exact moment u were about to blink which is a bit of a coincidence but really just bad play from me because my army should have been there earlier it seems you are grasping at straws with all the other timestamps, u mention me phoenix scouting as if thats something out of the ordinary you should have just talked to me after the game id gladly tell you why i did what i did but u chose to spread rage induced rumors instead, pretty sad. I am not spreading rumours, i just posted what all the people do out here, post what they think is suspicious. 10:46 You're avoiding the whole point, how do you explain the a move just at the time of me blinking in? 13:51 Yeah ofc it's standard but i needed to point it out for the next timestamp. 14:06 How do you explain the wall, making it just before spotting my army/army composition, and constant adding of cannons etc? 15:31 You hallucinated the collosus way less than 10 sec before the fight, Yes i was irritated(rage=/=being irritated/annoyed) after the game so i didn't want to talk to you because i wouldn't act rationally and/or nice, after like 20 mins or so i was reviewing the reps and spotted this stuff. 10:46 @9:55 i see with my hallucinated phoenix that your stalkers are not in your base, so they're obviously coming to harass me, thats why i started anticipating the blink in and started to move around my base from 10:00 to 10:46 (when u blinked in) 14:06 i scouted your templar archives and no third base its obvious to me its an zealot/archon/immortal allin, wall is needed to defend that 15:31 so? sentry energy is of little use to me in that kind of fight, i knew you werer coming in the next 10-30s so i hallucinated it On January 12 2014 02:46 Jade wrote:
If you're not a hacker you shouldn't be worried because you can clean your name by defending yourself with your thought process during the game ,not avoiding all of the points made. which points did i avoid? please tell me so i can share with you my thought process I must say i admire your skill to measure time correctly etc, anyways ( most of the stuff was talked about in private ) i apologize for the wrong accusation and shouldn't act with such rush, we all make mistakes and that is mine.
I think you had some reason to be suspicious, blindly attack moving to a location where an attack is about to happen looks very dubious of course, even Romson would admit that I'd think. And to be honest around 11:28 roughly the same happens where you have a handful of Stalkers who seem to do a Blink up again into his main. Romson attack moves a DT there, then changes it to an Immortal, but when you turn and approach his natural he grabs everything and attack moves to the front of his natural. It just looks like weird movement without any vision of your army, enough reason in my opinion to voice your suspicions. Especially because it was in WCS qualifiers.
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On January 12 2014 03:25 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 03:12 Jade wrote:On January 12 2014 03:01 Romson wrote:On January 12 2014 02:43 Jade wrote:On January 12 2014 02:31 Romson wrote:On January 12 2014 00:23 Jade wrote:Name: Romson Server: EU/WCS Qualifiers League: GM Replay Link : http://ggtracker.com/matches/4598434Description: - Timestamps - (after minute 10 )really suspicious army movements when i was playing blink stalkers, moving around your base when scouting twilight is normal, 10:46, i am about to blink in, he moves closer to that direction/closer to his robo. 10:47 he Attack clicks/amoves near his robo not even seeing the stalkers yet. Also after killing off most of my stalkers he still moves around quite strangely in relation to where my stalkers were. - walling off at his third and slowly adding more and more cannons/pylons when without information about my army composition/army overall. 13:51 he hallucinates a pheonix and sends it over to scout. 14:06 he adds a cannon which is normal but after that, 14:13 he starts walling off the third just before his pheonix scouts my army ( you can see he started que'ing gateways. 15:31 Just before the attack, he hallucinates a collosus (before that he still adds more cannons @15:26) I am not 100% sure if Romson hacks, would be a shame because he was a nice guy to me in the past, but yeah. ( Also what i said before leaving was " fucking awesome map control yo" 10;46 i scouted your nexus so its obvious to me im not being blink allined so all i need to worry about is stalker harass thats why i put my army in my main and leave msc at natural incase stalkers come there to photon overcharge 13:51 whats your point? hallu scout is standard, i need to see if you are making third aswell or allining me 15:31 again, whats your point? i saw your army coming with a hallu and was able to estimate the time of arrival so i hallucinated a colossus like 10s before the fight, added cannons because i know i just need to hold your allin and then i win the only "suspicious" thing i did in the game was respositioning my army in my main at the exact moment u were about to blink which is a bit of a coincidence but really just bad play from me because my army should have been there earlier it seems you are grasping at straws with all the other timestamps, u mention me phoenix scouting as if thats something out of the ordinary you should have just talked to me after the game id gladly tell you why i did what i did but u chose to spread rage induced rumors instead, pretty sad. I am not spreading rumours, i just posted what all the people do out here, post what they think is suspicious. 10:46 You're avoiding the whole point, how do you explain the a move just at the time of me blinking in? 13:51 Yeah ofc it's standard but i needed to point it out for the next timestamp. 14:06 How do you explain the wall, making it just before spotting my army/army composition, and constant adding of cannons etc? 15:31 You hallucinated the collosus way less than 10 sec before the fight, Yes i was irritated(rage=/=being irritated/annoyed) after the game so i didn't want to talk to you because i wouldn't act rationally and/or nice, after like 20 mins or so i was reviewing the reps and spotted this stuff. 10:46 @9:55 i see with my hallucinated phoenix that your stalkers are not in your base, so they're obviously coming to harass me, thats why i started anticipating the blink in and started to move around my base from 10:00 to 10:46 (when u blinked in) 14:06 i scouted your templar archives and no third base its obvious to me its an zealot/archon/immortal allin, wall is needed to defend that 15:31 so? sentry energy is of little use to me in that kind of fight, i knew you werer coming in the next 10-30s so i hallucinated it On January 12 2014 02:46 Jade wrote:
If you're not a hacker you shouldn't be worried because you can clean your name by defending yourself with your thought process during the game ,not avoiding all of the points made. which points did i avoid? please tell me so i can share with you my thought process I must say i admire your skill to measure time correctly etc, anyways ( most of the stuff was talked about in private ) i apologize for the wrong accusation and shouldn't act with such rush, we all make mistakes and that is mine. I think you had some reason to be suspicious, blindly attack moving to a location where an attack is about to happen looks very dubious of course, even Romson would admit that I'd think. And to be honest around 11:28 roughly the same happens where you have a handful of Stalkers who seem to do a Blink up again into his main. Romson attack moves a DT there, then changes it to an Immortal, but when you turn and approach his natural he grabs everything and attack moves to the front of his natural. It just looks like weird movement without any vision of your army, enough reason in my opinion to voice your suspicions. Especially because it was in WCS qualifiers.
well at first i sent a dt then i remembered he has a obs there so i changed it to an immortal, then my blink finished so i just decided to take everything because i could blink back to my main and trap his stalkers if he decided to go for the probe snipes, but yes i agree it could seem suspicious, but as i said i was anticipating the stalker blink in because his stalkers were nowhere to be seen in his main or natural.
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I think there is an update needed. Jade and Romson talked it over and Jade retracted his suspicion after that.
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On January 12 2014 04:21 hexaania wrote:
I think there is an update needed. Jade and Romson talked it over and Jade retracted his suspicion after that.
Thank you captain obvious, like i didn't already say that :D
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On January 12 2014 04:48 Jade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 04:21 hexaania wrote:
I think there is an update needed. Jade and Romson talked it over and Jade retracted his suspicion after that. Thank you captain obvious, like i didn't already say that :D
What you should do in that case is erase his name from the thread (from your first post) so we don't find his name while searching in this thread if he had been cleared or not.
Just an idea.
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NA Grandmaster iRene (aka Moosegills, see bottom of the post) cheated to be able to participate WCS America S1 / 2014 Wildcard Qualifier (tanked her MMR by leaving more than 100 matches to be able to get fast easy wins to meet the participation criteria of 200 wins)
Her Bnet account: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3657933/1/iRene/
WCS America Ladder Wildcard Qualifier bracket: http://binarybeast.com/xHotS1401074/full
You may have read multiple reports on Reddit, that iRene has lately been MMR abusing, such as: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1v22e3/irene_na_gm_4_times_throwing_50_games_to_get_gold/
As you know MMR abuse is bannable offense according to Blizzard: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2793222175#17
Now the reason for her behavior became obvious. She is participating WCS America ladder wildcard qualifier. One of the conditions to be able to participate in the qualifier is that the player has to have total 200 wins with her account from last & current season combined (note that normally 200 wins are needed from single season, but they made exception that for the first season wins from 2 seasons are summed up). From last season she had 120 wins. From this season she has exactly 80 wins and thus she has exactly 200 wins combined. To get the needed 80 wins she tanked her MMR to low leagues to get fast & easy wins. Here is a picture of her current ladder profile (taken 2014-01-13 22:52 CET, to left last season, to right current season): http://imgur.com/azSMmJ1
She dropped from the wildcard qualifier during RO32 against ST Bomber with result 1-2. Before this she had defeated one opponent. This kind of cheating regarding the WCS should not be tolerated.
Please note that I am not accusing her for hacks (even if she could have been using a loss bot).
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Edit: Changed all masculines to feminine. Originally wrote this in masculine, but as I don't know her gender I changed it to feminine, but few masculines accidentally remained in few phrases that have now been fixed.
Edit 2: According to another poster: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20589406
On January 14 2014 07:15 NovaMB wrote:
iRene is Moosegills
Edit 3: Based on Moosegills' twitter he indeed seems to be iRene (describing his qualifier matches against Bomber): http://i.imgur.com/QlAyCXf.png
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On January 14 2014 07:11 korona wrote:NA Grandmaster iRene (aka Moosegills, see bottom of the post) cheated to be able to participate WCS America S1 / 2014 Wildcard Qualifier (tanked her MMR by leaving more than 100 matches to be able to get fast easy wins to meet the participation criteria of 200 wins) Her Bnet account: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3657933/1/iRene/WCS America Ladder Wildcard Qualifier bracket: http://binarybeast.com/xHotS1401074/fullYou may have read multiple reports on Reddit, that iRene has lately been MMR abusing, such as: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1v22e3/irene_na_gm_4_times_throwing_50_games_to_get_gold/As you know MMR abuse is bannable offense according to Blizzard: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2793222175#17Now the reason for her behavior became obvious. She is participating WCS America ladder wildcard qualifier. One of the conditions to be able to participate in the qualifier is that the player has to have total 200 wins with her account from last & current season combined (note that normally 200 wins are needed from single season, but they made exception that for the first season wins from 2 seasons are summed up). From last season she had 120 wins. From this season she has exactly 80 wins and thus she has exactly 200 wins combined. To get the needed 80 wins she tanked her MMR to low leagues to get fast & easy wins. Here is a picture of her current ladder profile (taken 2014-01-13 22:52 CET, to left last season, to right current season): http://imgur.com/azSMmJ1She dropped from the wildcard qualifier during RO32 against ST Bomber with result 1-2. Before this she had defeated one opponent. This kind of cheating regarding the WCS should not be tolerated. Please note that I am not accusing her for hacks (even if she could have been using a loss bot). -- Edit: Changed all masculines to feminine. Originally wrote this in masculine, but as I don't know her gender I changed it to feminine, but few masculines accidentally remained in few phrases that have now been fixed. Edit 2: According to another poster: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20589406Edit 3: Based on Moosegills' twitter he indeed seems to be iRene (describing his qualifier matches against Bomber): http://i.imgur.com/QlAyCXf.png
in that reddit thread someone said lots of players are doing this. Guitarcheese, xenocider, a barcode etc. ?
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On January 14 2014 08:18 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 07:11 korona wrote:NA Grandmaster iRene (aka Moosegills, see bottom of the post) cheated to be able to participate WCS America S1 / 2014 Wildcard Qualifier (tanked her MMR by leaving more than 100 matches to be able to get fast easy wins to meet the participation criteria of 200 wins) Her Bnet account: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3657933/1/iRene/WCS America Ladder Wildcard Qualifier bracket: http://binarybeast.com/xHotS1401074/fullYou may have read multiple reports on Reddit, that iRene has lately been MMR abusing, such as: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1v22e3/irene_na_gm_4_times_throwing_50_games_to_get_gold/As you know MMR abuse is bannable offense according to Blizzard: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2793222175#17Now the reason for her behavior became obvious. She is participating WCS America ladder wildcard qualifier. One of the conditions to be able to participate in the qualifier is that the player has to have total 200 wins with her account from last & current season combined (note that normally 200 wins are needed from single season, but they made exception that for the first season wins from 2 seasons are summed up). From last season she had 120 wins. From this season she has exactly 80 wins and thus she has exactly 200 wins combined. To get the needed 80 wins she tanked her MMR to low leagues to get fast & easy wins. Here is a picture of her current ladder profile (taken 2014-01-13 22:52 CET, to left last season, to right current season): http://imgur.com/azSMmJ1She dropped from the wildcard qualifier during RO32 against ST Bomber with result 1-2. Before this she had defeated one opponent. This kind of cheating regarding the WCS should not be tolerated. Please note that I am not accusing her for hacks (even if she could have been using a loss bot). -- Edit: Changed all masculines to feminine. Originally wrote this in masculine, but as I don't know her gender I changed it to feminine, but few masculines accidentally remained in few phrases that have now been fixed. Edit 2: According to another poster: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20589406On January 14 2014 07:15 NovaMB wrote:
iRene is Moosegills Edit 3: Based on Moosegills' twitter he indeed seems to be iRene (describing his qualifier matches against Bomber): http://i.imgur.com/QlAyCXf.png in that reddit thread someone said lots of players are doing this. Guitarcheese, xenocider, a barcode etc. ?
Don't know about Xenocider and the barcode player. But evidence regarding Guitarcheese aka vVvGlon (account name) was found:
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NA Grandmaster 'Guitarcheese' aka 'vVvGlon' (account name) cheated to be able to participate WCS America S1 / 2014 Wildcard Qualifier (tanked his MMR to diamond range by leaving lots of matches to be able to get fast & easy wins to meet the participation criteria of 200 wins).
He used name 'Guitarcheese' when participating WCS ladder wildcard qualifiers. He used account named 'vVvGlon': http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2706103/1/vVvGlon/
Same story as with iRene. To be able to get 200 wins Guitarcheese (vVvGlon) tanked his MMR to lower leagues to get easy wins. Here is a picture of his profile: http://i.imgur.com/HCd62e4.png
According it he has 126 wins from last season and 75 wins from this season (total 201).
As you know MMR abuse is bannable offense according to Blizzard: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2793222175#17
Guitarcheese (vVvGlon) did not drop his MMR as low as iRene. Regrettably Blizzard limited match history to 100 matches just before HotS was published. But if we look at his first and last 1v1 ladder match visible in the history we notice that both his opponents were diamonds (most opponents for matches between were also diamonds). He prevented his MMR from rising too high by leaving several games in between instantly and then winning similar number of games.
Here is a picture of his first and last opponent visible in his match history: http://i.imgur.com/D0qkc8l.jpg
And here are the custom game opponents (Cloudy and JonSnow, against RuFF he must have played with another account or used private setting): http://i.imgur.com/E6IuHhq.jpg
Please note the opponents and results match Guitarcheese's opponents in the qualifier bracket: http://binarybeast.com/xHotS1401074/full
Here is link to the full image gallery: http://imgur.com/a/JEUx3
During his qualifier run he beat Cloydy (2-0) and RuFF (2-0). He reached to RO16 and lost to JonSnow (1-2).
Please note that I am not accusing him for hacks.
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On January 14 2014 09:56 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 08:18 mikumegurine wrote:On January 14 2014 07:11 korona wrote:NA Grandmaster iRene (aka Moosegills, see bottom of the post) cheated to be able to participate WCS America S1 / 2014 Wildcard Qualifier (tanked her MMR by leaving more than 100 matches to be able to get fast easy wins to meet the participation criteria of 200 wins) Her Bnet account: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3657933/1/iRene/WCS America Ladder Wildcard Qualifier bracket: http://binarybeast.com/xHotS1401074/fullYou may have read multiple reports on Reddit, that iRene has lately been MMR abusing, such as: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1v22e3/irene_na_gm_4_times_throwing_50_games_to_get_gold/As you know MMR abuse is bannable offense according to Blizzard: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2793222175#17Now the reason for her behavior became obvious. She is participating WCS America ladder wildcard qualifier. One of the conditions to be able to participate in the qualifier is that the player has to have total 200 wins with her account from last & current season combined (note that normally 200 wins are needed from single season, but they made exception that for the first season wins from 2 seasons are summed up). From last season she had 120 wins. From this season she has exactly 80 wins and thus she has exactly 200 wins combined. To get the needed 80 wins she tanked her MMR to low leagues to get fast & easy wins. Here is a picture of her current ladder profile (taken 2014-01-13 22:52 CET, to left last season, to right current season): http://imgur.com/azSMmJ1She dropped from the wildcard qualifier during RO32 against ST Bomber with result 1-2. Before this she had defeated one opponent. This kind of cheating regarding the WCS should not be tolerated. Please note that I am not accusing her for hacks (even if she could have been using a loss bot). -- Edit: Changed all masculines to feminine. Originally wrote this in masculine, but as I don't know her gender I changed it to feminine, but few masculines accidentally remained in few phrases that have now been fixed. Edit 2: According to another poster: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20589406On January 14 2014 07:15 NovaMB wrote:
iRene is Moosegills Edit 3: Based on Moosegills' twitter he indeed seems to be iRene (describing his qualifier matches against Bomber): http://i.imgur.com/QlAyCXf.png in that reddit thread someone said lots of players are doing this. Guitarcheese, xenocider, a barcode etc. ? Don't know about Xenocider and the barcode player. But evidence regarding Guitarcheese aka vVvGlon (account name) was found: --- NA Grandmaster 'Guitarcheese' aka 'vVvGlon' (account name) cheated to be able to participate WCS America S1 / 2014 Wildcard Qualifier (tanked his MMR to diamond range by leaving lots of matches to be able to get fast & easy wins to meet the participation criteria of 200 wins). He used name 'Guitarcheese' when participating WCS ladder wildcard qualifiers. He used account named 'vVvGlon': http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2706103/1/vVvGlon/Same story as with iRene. To be able to get 200 wins Guitarcheese (vVvGlon) tanked his MMR to lower leagues to get easy wins. Here is a picture of his profile: http://i.imgur.com/HCd62e4.pngAccording it he has 126 wins from last season and 75 wins from this season (total 201). As you know MMR abuse is bannable offense according to Blizzard: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2793222175#17Guitarcheese (vVvGlon) did not drop his MMR as low as iRene. Regrettably Blizzard limited match history to 100 matches just before HotS was published. But if we look at his first and last 1v1 ladder match visible in the history we notice that both his opponents were diamonds (most opponents for matches between were also diamonds). He prevented his MMR from rising too high by leaving several games in between instantly and then winning similar number of games. Here is a picture of his first and last opponent visible in his match history: http://i.imgur.com/D0qkc8l.jpgAnd here are the custom game opponents (Cloudy and JonSnow, against RuFF he must have played with another account or used private setting): http://i.imgur.com/E6IuHhq.jpgPlease note the opponents and results match Guitarcheese's opponents in the qualifier bracket: http://binarybeast.com/xHotS1401074/fullHere is link to the full image gallery: http://imgur.com/a/JEUx3During his qualifier run he beat Cloydy (2-0) and RuFF (2-0). He reached to RO16 and lost to JonSnow (1-2).
While this mmr abuse is against the ToS, it feels a bit weird reading about these cases of MMR abuse in this thread, because the players involved are all legit players who unfortunately got blindsided by the rather random 200 wins requirement of the WCS qualifiers (has any other major qualifier had the condition of number of wins?). Though it is cheating by the text of the ToS, to me this kind of feels like it belongs in its own thread, rather than having them lumped in this thread with actual hackers and cheaters.
Maybe I'm biased because I'm in GM myself but without 200 wins so I couldn't participate, but it doesn't seem right lumping them in the thread that has until now almost entirely been limited to maphackers.
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On January 14 2014 12:32 Asuna wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 09:56 korona wrote:On January 14 2014 08:18 mikumegurine wrote:On January 14 2014 07:11 korona wrote:NA Grandmaster iRene (aka Moosegills, see bottom of the post) cheated to be able to participate WCS America S1 / 2014 Wildcard Qualifier (tanked her MMR by leaving more than 100 matches to be able to get fast easy wins to meet the participation criteria of 200 wins) Her Bnet account: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3657933/1/iRene/WCS America Ladder Wildcard Qualifier bracket: http://binarybeast.com/xHotS1401074/fullYou may have read multiple reports on Reddit, that iRene has lately been MMR abusing, such as: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1v22e3/irene_na_gm_4_times_throwing_50_games_to_get_gold/As you know MMR abuse is bannable offense according to Blizzard: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2793222175#17Now the reason for her behavior became obvious. She is participating WCS America ladder wildcard qualifier. One of the conditions to be able to participate in the qualifier is that the player has to have total 200 wins with her account from last & current season combined (note that normally 200 wins are needed from single season, but they made exception that for the first season wins from 2 seasons are summed up). From last season she had 120 wins. From this season she has exactly 80 wins and thus she has exactly 200 wins combined. To get the needed 80 wins she tanked her MMR to low leagues to get fast & easy wins. Here is a picture of her current ladder profile (taken 2014-01-13 22:52 CET, to left last season, to right current season): http://imgur.com/azSMmJ1She dropped from the wildcard qualifier during RO32 against ST Bomber with result 1-2. Before this she had defeated one opponent. This kind of cheating regarding the WCS should not be tolerated. Please note that I am not accusing her for hacks (even if she could have been using a loss bot). -- Edit: Changed all masculines to feminine. Originally wrote this in masculine, but as I don't know her gender I changed it to feminine, but few masculines accidentally remained in few phrases that have now been fixed. Edit 2: According to another poster: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20589406On January 14 2014 07:15 NovaMB wrote:
iRene is Moosegills Edit 3: Based on Moosegills' twitter he indeed seems to be iRene (describing his qualifier matches against Bomber): http://i.imgur.com/QlAyCXf.png in that reddit thread someone said lots of players are doing this. Guitarcheese, xenocider, a barcode etc. ? Don't know about Xenocider and the barcode player. But evidence regarding Guitarcheese aka vVvGlon (account name) was found: --- NA Grandmaster 'Guitarcheese' aka 'vVvGlon' (account name) cheated to be able to participate WCS America S1 / 2014 Wildcard Qualifier (tanked his MMR to diamond range by leaving lots of matches to be able to get fast & easy wins to meet the participation criteria of 200 wins). He used name 'Guitarcheese' when participating WCS ladder wildcard qualifiers. He used account named 'vVvGlon': http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2706103/1/vVvGlon/Same story as with iRene. To be able to get 200 wins Guitarcheese (vVvGlon) tanked his MMR to lower leagues to get easy wins. Here is a picture of his profile: http://i.imgur.com/HCd62e4.pngAccording it he has 126 wins from last season and 75 wins from this season (total 201). As you know MMR abuse is bannable offense according to Blizzard: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2793222175#17Guitarcheese (vVvGlon) did not drop his MMR as low as iRene. Regrettably Blizzard limited match history to 100 matches just before HotS was published. But if we look at his first and last 1v1 ladder match visible in the history we notice that both his opponents were diamonds (most opponents for matches between were also diamonds). He prevented his MMR from rising too high by leaving several games in between instantly and then winning similar number of games. Here is a picture of his first and last opponent visible in his match history: http://i.imgur.com/D0qkc8l.jpgAnd here are the custom game opponents (Cloudy and JonSnow, against RuFF he must have played with another account or used private setting): http://i.imgur.com/E6IuHhq.jpgPlease note the opponents and results match Guitarcheese's opponents in the qualifier bracket: http://binarybeast.com/xHotS1401074/fullHere is link to the full image gallery: http://imgur.com/a/JEUx3During his qualifier run he beat Cloydy (2-0) and RuFF (2-0). He reached to RO16 and lost to JonSnow (1-2). While this mmr abuse is against the ToS, it feels a bit weird reading about these cases of MMR abuse in this thread, because the players involved are all legit players who unfortunately got blindsided by the rather random 200 wins requirement of the WCS qualifiers (has any other major qualifier had the condition of number of wins?). Though it is cheating by the text of the ToS, to me this kind of feels like it belongs in its own thread, rather than having them lumped in this thread with actual hackers and cheaters. Maybe I'm biased because I'm in GM myself but without 200 wins so I couldn't participate, but it doesn't seem right lumping them in the thread that has until now almost entirely been limited to maphackers.
As the name of thread says this is also the general cheating thread on TL, even if such minor things such as MMR abuse have not been reported here before. But these cases are different as these were done to advance oneself in Blizzard's main tournament (of course only to get permit to participate in a qualifier... But still I am getting TSL2 vibes).
And at this point there was no point to create a new thread for this issue and cause drama. Also it seems more cases may be found if the rumors are to believed...
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On January 14 2014 12:47 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 12:32 Asuna wrote:On January 14 2014 09:56 korona wrote:On January 14 2014 08:18 mikumegurine wrote:On January 14 2014 07:11 korona wrote:NA Grandmaster iRene (aka Moosegills, see bottom of the post) cheated to be able to participate WCS America S1 / 2014 Wildcard Qualifier (tanked her MMR by leaving more than 100 matches to be able to get fast easy wins to meet the participation criteria of 200 wins) Her Bnet account: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3657933/1/iRene/WCS America Ladder Wildcard Qualifier bracket: http://binarybeast.com/xHotS1401074/fullYou may have read multiple reports on Reddit, that iRene has lately been MMR abusing, such as: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1v22e3/irene_na_gm_4_times_throwing_50_games_to_get_gold/As you know MMR abuse is bannable offense according to Blizzard: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2793222175#17Now the reason for her behavior became obvious. She is participating WCS America ladder wildcard qualifier. One of the conditions to be able to participate in the qualifier is that the player has to have total 200 wins with her account from last & current season combined (note that normally 200 wins are needed from single season, but they made exception that for the first season wins from 2 seasons are summed up). From last season she had 120 wins. From this season she has exactly 80 wins and thus she has exactly 200 wins combined. To get the needed 80 wins she tanked her MMR to low leagues to get fast & easy wins. Here is a picture of her current ladder profile (taken 2014-01-13 22:52 CET, to left last season, to right current season): http://imgur.com/azSMmJ1She dropped from the wildcard qualifier during RO32 against ST Bomber with result 1-2. Before this she had defeated one opponent. This kind of cheating regarding the WCS should not be tolerated. Please note that I am not accusing her for hacks (even if she could have been using a loss bot). -- Edit: Changed all masculines to feminine. Originally wrote this in masculine, but as I don't know her gender I changed it to feminine, but few masculines accidentally remained in few phrases that have now been fixed. Edit 2: According to another poster: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20589406On January 14 2014 07:15 NovaMB wrote:
iRene is Moosegills Edit 3: Based on Moosegills' twitter he indeed seems to be iRene (describing his qualifier matches against Bomber): http://i.imgur.com/QlAyCXf.png in that reddit thread someone said lots of players are doing this. Guitarcheese, xenocider, a barcode etc. ? Don't know about Xenocider and the barcode player. But evidence regarding Guitarcheese aka vVvGlon (account name) was found: --- NA Grandmaster 'Guitarcheese' aka 'vVvGlon' (account name) cheated to be able to participate WCS America S1 / 2014 Wildcard Qualifier (tanked his MMR to diamond range by leaving lots of matches to be able to get fast & easy wins to meet the participation criteria of 200 wins). He used name 'Guitarcheese' when participating WCS ladder wildcard qualifiers. He used account named 'vVvGlon': http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2706103/1/vVvGlon/Same story as with iRene. To be able to get 200 wins Guitarcheese (vVvGlon) tanked his MMR to lower leagues to get easy wins. Here is a picture of his profile: http://i.imgur.com/HCd62e4.pngAccording it he has 126 wins from last season and 75 wins from this season (total 201). As you know MMR abuse is bannable offense according to Blizzard: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2793222175#17Guitarcheese (vVvGlon) did not drop his MMR as low as iRene. Regrettably Blizzard limited match history to 100 matches just before HotS was published. But if we look at his first and last 1v1 ladder match visible in the history we notice that both his opponents were diamonds (most opponents for matches between were also diamonds). He prevented his MMR from rising too high by leaving several games in between instantly and then winning similar number of games. Here is a picture of his first and last opponent visible in his match history: http://i.imgur.com/D0qkc8l.jpgAnd here are the custom game opponents (Cloudy and JonSnow, against RuFF he must have played with another account or used private setting): http://i.imgur.com/E6IuHhq.jpgPlease note the opponents and results match Guitarcheese's opponents in the qualifier bracket: http://binarybeast.com/xHotS1401074/fullHere is link to the full image gallery: http://imgur.com/a/JEUx3During his qualifier run he beat Cloydy (2-0) and RuFF (2-0). He reached to RO16 and lost to JonSnow (1-2). While this mmr abuse is against the ToS, it feels a bit weird reading about these cases of MMR abuse in this thread, because the players involved are all legit players who unfortunately got blindsided by the rather random 200 wins requirement of the WCS qualifiers (has any other major qualifier had the condition of number of wins?). Though it is cheating by the text of the ToS, to me this kind of feels like it belongs in its own thread, rather than having them lumped in this thread with actual hackers and cheaters. Maybe I'm biased because I'm in GM myself but without 200 wins so I couldn't participate, but it doesn't seem right lumping them in the thread that has until now almost entirely been limited to maphackers. As the name of thread says this is also the general cheating thread on TL, even if such minor things such as MMR abuse have not been reported here before. But these cases are different as these were done to advance oneself in Blizzard's main tournament (of course only to get permit to participate in a qualifier... But still I am getting TSL2 vibes). And at this point there was no point to create a new thread for this issue and cause drama. Also it seems more cases may be found if the rumors are to believed...
The thing is, the TSL2 stuff involved getting higher on ladder than you were capable of getting after you had tried your best, which was important since only the top whatever number of players could get in. This is just an idiotic arbitrary rule saying you have to have won 200 games (nothing about MMR), so if you are like top 50 gm but without 200 wins, you can't play, whereas if you're a super low masters with 500 wins you're good to go. And this requirement doesn't even qualify you for the tournament the way TSL2 did - this is just to let you play in the qualifiers...
Idk I'm not really a fan of getting on people's cases for this particular case. There seems to be a clear difference to me.
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