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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 09:49 GMT
#6561
I am like really bored so just press post.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 09:54 GMT
#6562
It's total garbage but I did discover that coag is mafia during it though so win/win!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 10:03 GMT
#6563
I would go Risen -> Coag -> VA/Oats (cuz really no scum on yamato???)
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 10:03 GMT
#6564
If Coag is scum that is.
I had a good night of sleep.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 26 2013 10:32 GMT
#6565
Koshi why MUST there be 1 scum on yamato?
Lets say Yamato is campaigning to kill a scum and there are alternatives like VE and Super who dont. Why as scum do I vote for Yamato out of VE or Super, BOTH TOWN?
No gg, No skill.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 10:43 GMT
#6566
On November 26 2013 19:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi why MUST there be 1 scum on yamato?
Lets say Yamato is campaigning to kill a scum and there are alternatives like VE and Super who dont. Why as scum do I vote for Yamato out of VE or Super, BOTH TOWN?

Look. There is no rational explanation for this shit. But scum always splits up. Also with thrawn on himself and Mocsta on himself I am inclined to believe that Onegu is town. It's the worst kind of scumhunting but when we don't know where to look or we are looking for last scummer that is a good way to search imo. 2 on themselves, one on Yamato, last 3 on ss and VE.

Like show me 100 early lynches/mayor votes/ w.evs and you will see 99 times that scum split up rather nicely.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 10:44 GMT
#6567
Or maybe it is Mr CC that is on BC. That last post was pretty sexy and pro town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 10:56 GMT
#6568
Bear this in mind as you read through:

Risen (5): Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Pandain, Risen, Koshi, Mig, Holyflare, Grackaroni, Alakaslam, Onegu

thrawn2112 (7): austinmcc, Holyflare, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, Grackaroni, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Holyflare, Alakaslam

Now, here's what I want to point out to you all. I posted this on November 24th, 2013 @23:45. So far, only me and austin were on thrawn votes.


On November 24 2013 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Is nobody going to point out how thrawn was all buddy buddy to BC all game and saying he liked his posts and then guess where his vote ended up? Yeh, on BC.

##Vote: Thrawn


Now, this is quite obviously suspicious as hell and I think mig was also mentioning it around the same time but nobody paid any credence to this post at all really. It's funny how thrawn ended up getting lynched then because if any towny person saw this their instant reaction would be to check the facts, check thrawns play and then lynch him off for being scummy.

However, this did not happen. Austin posted his long spiel about thrawn on November 26 2013 04:30, my post is pretty much the tl:dr of his but suddenly everyone had to agree with austin? Why? It's no different. In my opinion the people who are scummy are the people who voted for thrawn AFTER austins post and also tried to post points for thrawn AFTER my post and before austins.


The people who voted for thrawn after austins post: Coagulation, Grackeroni, Mr.Cheesecake, Lonemeow, me, alakaslam (who then changed his vote to VA...?)


_______________________________________________________________

NB. I did originally have something on everyone here but discovered that coaguation is like, the most flip floppy person in this game pretty much and so cut out most of it for this.



Now, coagulation. He is as equally trolly as grack and as equally lurky as LM was in the first few days. He has seemingly upped his posts in the past day or two though, however, his posts still contain as much use as.. well.. nothing.

Now, with that information in mind look at this BC post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 07:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Jesus fucking christ. I come home from work, after attempting to clear myself of tunnel vision and instead of finding a thread filled with happy bunnies and butterfly style of posting I get retardation at its finest. Seriously. What the fuck happened in the last few years that made people who trolled, actively played against win cons, etc... that this is considered town play and also acceptable play? Jesus.

Mattchew has done fucking nothing all game but spout bullshit and vanish into the mists. Is he being discussed for it no? Why the fuck would you, people who've been playing the game for years are allowed to do retarded shit and be ignored.

Holyflare has also done nothing fucking all game. He is harrassed for ages about not doing shit all then makes a giant post on 3 people under huge suspicion. He then goes to vote for one who apparently wasn't his top scum pick. He actively says so. Since when is lurking, only posting when pushes/analyzed, posting analysis on 3 top targets of the day, and then NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUM READ FUCKING TOWN PLAY.

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
Switch to BC then. This lynch is way too easy. Would scum really bus their team mate when alternatively people are considering BC or pandain or austincc scum? If 2 die scum kp goes to 1. I don't think they would risk that therefore it is pretty unlikely BH is actually scum or we are incredibly wrong about these reads.


That fucking logic? A guy is caught in thread, LYING ACTIVELY, trolls for days, actively doesn't help and rather than realize that scum would go "fuck this guy". BH is a Vet player. If he was town he'd have at least done something. Dropped analysis, dropped a bombshell of something to try and save himself. Is he doing that? No he gave up. But don't worry. Scum would actively not bus a teammate who got caught out completely in thread just to spare themselves 1 kp. Dont worry guys, Holyfaggot has figured the game out!

Dear fucking god people.

Hopeless1nder. Why has no one really talked about him? The guy fucking does what? Nothing? Ever? Wanders into the thread, a wild hopeless1nder appears. He uses dickall and peace. Its apparently super effective. Why? Because hes being ignored completely, not posting shit all, and skating by for it. However its not like I can blame you fucks for it because we have people who are allowed to troll/spam/be utterly useless pieces of trash cluttering the thread.

Grackerfuckingroni. You know what. Im not going to bother to make a case on this fucker. Hes scum. If any of you can name 5 fucking things hes done all game that have helped this town then Ill change that view. Seriously. Find me 5 points where he helps. The guy since being "confirmed town" has done absolutely dick fuck to help anyone. He has actively said hes not going to stop trolling ie hes going to continue being an unhelpful piece of trash. Hey though, TL towns know that being a town member is about being retardedly bad so its ok!

Pandain. Go fuck yourself. You are actively viewing me as scum for the most bullshit logic I've ever heard. If you don't realize the reasons you were told what you were was specifically because of my read of you then your fucking stupid. Seriously.

Alakslam doesnt contribute really anything. He doesn't justify his current vote at all, hell his vote swap went completely unnoticed. Hey its ok tho, the guy doesn't do shit all game but hug peoples coattails anyway. Im glad this shit is acceptable because thats how you get solid reads on people right? Let them not do shit at all and be ignored. Yep, good glad im learning something.

How about Risen? Whats he done lately other than to appear and jump onto a bandwagon, what did he do at all actually? Nothing, got yea. Im glad to see this shit is fine.

The only players in this game not playing like complete garbage are SS, Rayn, arguably VE and maybe artanis.

There are a few trying at least to not play like garbage. Myself in that list. However given the entire clusterfuck of this thread and how retarded virtually everyone is being, the entire scum team is likely on that list of people I just mentioned. You know why? Because town is so bloody unorganized and we currently have people trying to swap people OFF OF A CONFIRMED LIAR WHOS DONE NOTHING BEFORE OR SINCE TO A) JUSTIFY HIS REASONS FOR IT OR B) ATTEMPTING TO PROVE HIMSELF NOW.

Seriously? What motivation is there for any player to take someone they have 100% certainty is fucking scum, and goes "lets lynch someone else"

Jesus, i know ive played like ass this game, but the level of retardation going on is just fucking ridiculous.




BC mentions pretty much every lurker in the game, APART from Coagulation. Why is that? His name doesn't appear at all in this whatsoever, in fact he's the only lurker BC does not mention for a very long time. Eventually people start to question him on this and make him force a read out on Coag. He does so here:

On November 20 2013 08:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC your thoughts on the following players:

Coagulation, Stutters, Mr.Cheesecake.


Likely Asassin, modkill and useless to talk about, lurker whos a null read

On November 20 2013 08:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why is Coag a likely Assassin? That's a random ass read.


I don't see him being scum or town. His scum play from my experience is more active and dbagish, whereas his town play is semi useful lurker douche. Hes not really doing anything at all ever like he doesn't care.



This is fair enough, coag was afkish and was doing nothing MAYBE he was assassin, maybe not. Who actually knew. This wouldn't have been totally suspicious on its own until after BH and VE flipped assassin and then his read changed to:

"Supersoft and pandain are clearly town to me, coag, rayn and you austin are likely town as well. Koshi could go either way. " Sorry this was a long post (here)

and then


On November 23 2013 09:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
So. Given that people are still retarded and I am still dying I ensure that my reads get dropped sooner rather than later. I have spent time over the last few days filter diving and trying to avoid tunnel vision too terribly. I recognize it happens and I am prone to it.

100% town

BloodyC0bbler
Supersoft
Pandain
Rayn
Coag
Koshi

Null

Cheesecake
Vayne
onegu
slam
lonemeow
Risen

Mafia
Thrawn
Grackeroni
HolyFlare
Hopeless1nder
Oatsmaster
Mig (possible)
Austin (possible)

"PARAPHRASED FROM here"


Now, how on earth did coag jump from not being mentioned at all, to likely assassin and then finally to 100% awesome town do not lynch omg or you suck? Simply put, BC intentionally draws people's attention from one of his scum buddies by first; not mentioning him at all and then when questioned on him eventually calls him 100% town, all in the meanwhile that coag's posting had not evolved at all since the beginning of the game.

Now, while you may think looking at BC's posts are wifom then you should look at coag's posting all game. It is complete crap, worse than gracks even! (<3)! He is trolling at the start, BC didn't pick up on him even though he OHHHHHH so hates trolls, his gameplay evolves to be non-existant and then when he ups his gameplay his contributions are still nothing.

Let's look at the BC lynch first: Coag's votes were on Pandain (because of the SS/Pandain thing??) and Grack (because of the lying about mason thing). Now, not only are these odd, his vote on grack was on a 2 vote person.

On November 23 2013 10:35 Coagulation wrote:
I had a slightly town feel about bc and it was wrong. I dont know if my reputation will ever recover but im gonna try and move on.

Also I remember looking at vote at last minute and thinking trying to save him but decided that I didnt want any part of the last minute switching bullshit. I think I could have gotta risen lynched instead of him if I wanted.


He had a "slightly towny feel for BC" and when questioned about it before he replied:
On November 22 2013 05:22 Coagulation wrote:
I have seen scum BC many times and I very rarely get town feels from him when hes town but the way he was talking this game about playing shitty and being frustrated with the current state of game was extremely genuine based on my experience with him?


Now, he says he was thinking about saving BC, but made no fuss in the thread about it, no reasoning, no justification, he also mentions how he could have lynched risen instead as well. Why risen? Risen doesn't feature at all in his posts at all really, he even lists out his scum reads as:

On November 23 2013 04:40 Coagulation wrote:
scum team right here folks.

Pandain
SS
Grack
Oats


risen plays no part in these reads either, so why mention his name at all?? (associaton theories on unflipped almost semi-confirmed scum hue hue!!!) In fact, even after saying he could get risen lynched, he says "if i die lynch into":

On November 24 2013 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
yeah if I check out tonight lynch thrawn or oats


admittedly he has been talking about oats a lot but WHERE DID THRAWN COME FROM?!!?!? His reads were SS, Grack, Oats and Pandain. Suddenly, before thrawn even gets traction for votes, AT NIGHT, coag posts about thrawn!?!?!?

Then, miraculously, coag lives (who woulda thought?) Only to then reveal that all his previous reads are gone and that we should lynch into risen and thrawn!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

On November 25 2013 13:19 Coagulation wrote:
risen or thrawn.

Im down to vote either one honestly. I dont give a shit cause I dont really have a scum read on either.
Oats is my lynch choice but it doesnt look like hes an option and I dont have the energy to try and get him lynched anyway.
and even if I did try I doubt it would be heard over the risen vrs thrawn debate anyway.

so im just gonna keep following along untill I get a sense of whos town and whos scum or just fucking random vote it at last minute.


If he dies lynch risen or thrawn, his reads are totally different, now he doesn't give a shit because neither are scum reads (even though both were mentioned as kills "if he dies").... the inconsistency amazes me.


Even though I was posting about thrawn earlier, giving reasons for his lynch, coag still didn't acknowledge it, didn't read into thrawn at all until austin posted the extended version and then suddenly:


On November 26 2013 05:08 Coagulation wrote:
ok austin convinced me on thrawn

##vote thrawn


In conclusion, coagulation dropped his previous scum reads in order to gain credit on the thrawn/risen trains, he is scum, lynch him with fire.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 11:03 GMT
#6569
Yeah, but this is kinda only if Risen is scum right? Otherwise he would just go afk and not change his vote.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 11:04 GMT
#6570
Anyway, I am totes with you on the rest. Also Coag filter before N3

Pandain
Pandain
Pandain
Pandain
Pandain
etc
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 11:12 GMT
#6571
On November 26 2013 20:03 Koshi wrote:
Yeah, but this is kinda only if Risen is scum right? Otherwise he would just go afk and not change his vote.


It's more factual now that thrawn is scum. His name is randomly thrown into the "if i die reads" over his top scum reads.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 11:16 GMT
#6572
On November 26 2013 20:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 20:03 Koshi wrote:
Yeah, but this is kinda only if Risen is scum right? Otherwise he would just go afk and not change his vote.


It's more factual now that thrawn is scum. His name is randomly thrown into the "if i die reads" over his top scum reads.

Yes, I understand. But it can be seen as totes random coag shizzle if Risen is town imo. Why go for the buss today if you can save 2 KP by just staying on Risen. I feel like nobody would blame Coag for not changing to thrawn.

Like if Risen is scum this game is practically solved.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 11:54 GMT
#6573
Austins push made it very likely thrawn would be lynched, heck if i didn't switch then risen would have been lynched. If risen does flip town it makes him look good if he's on the scum train. Or am i being crazy? He literally didn't mention thrawn or risen until pretty much today. It doesn't matter what risen flips tbh because coag looks scummy either way.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 12:33 GMT
#6574
It's like CC said. If Risen is town then people like myself and Alakaslam look pretty bad. If Risen is scum there is less reason to believe Austin and yourself are town, and both Alakaslam and me are just meh. But we will lynch Coag first in that scenario. Then one of the Yamato train or CC.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 12:35 GMT
#6575
wait. I am mixing Hopeless and Coag.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 12:37 GMT
#6576
???
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 12:38 GMT
#6577
On November 26 2013 20:04 Koshi wrote:
Anyway, I am totes with you on the rest. Also Coag filter before N3

Pandain
Pandain
Pandain
Pandain
Pandain
etc

This was Hopeless. Not Coag.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 12:39 GMT
#6578
Hopeless is also scummy but 1 at a time
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 26 2013 12:40 GMT
#6579
Hopeless is town. Reads scum filters ftw.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 26 2013 12:41 GMT
#6580
On November 25 2013 08:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
Everyone voting Risen, if you're town this is unacceptable because SS has proven himself to be completely untrustworthy. BC has proven himself capable of fooling the guy you are sheeping. You can't all be scum, so what gives?

Townish I guess.
I had a good night of sleep.
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