Was there a known number of each role?
Basically, day 1 there's 8 town and 3 mafia town has 2 mislynches before it's even game point (at 4town:3mafia).

Assuming 1 of each:
Day 1 medic claims (since he can protect himself) and has everyone pm roles to him, and then if there are any counterclaims in the roles then he can assign the roles to figure out which one is mafia, such as have cop claims investigate one another or vigi claims hit one another.

If all mafia claim town, then day 1 is a random lynch of a townie, and with 4 power roles, that leaves 4 townies and 3 mafia. Medic has vig hit a random towny and has detective investigate another one hoping for a guilty. At worst, town mislynches a green and vigi hits a green and mafia hits a power role, but that leaves 5:3 with 2 town and 3 mafia left, and with those odds, including a veteran, town should be able to win still.

If there's a counter claim to medic, then lynch one, and then have vigi hit the other one and then vigi claim, etc, mafia would lose numbers quickly by ccing roles.

As you can see, with two mislynches and 3 mafia, town should pretty much win, unless the number of each role is not known, in which case I'd have to think a little more lol.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

August 22 2009 23:18 GMT

#389

If the Medic was to roleclaim the town would lose. He can prot himself all he wants, the Mafia now know they can take the chance to hit everyone else. The Medic also has no way of figuring out who is a real DT and who isn't so it would be a pretty useless idea. The only way it would work is if the DT found the Medic first and then the Medic roleclaimed and even then it's risky.

Also the number of roles and setup was unknown. No one knew that it was only GF/Medic/DT which also made the game more fun.

ydg

United States690 Posts

August 22 2009 23:27 GMT

#390

Well if it was said that there was 1 det, 1 vig, 1 vet, 1 medic, then yeah I think it would work well. Even if there are two detective claims, assuming that the town isn't trolling and claiming roles that they aren't and that all counterclaims are mafia, then the mafia is sacrificing one of its 3 people to kill one detective, which isn't all that helpful in a game where the town has 2 mislynches.
Well whatever, I look forward to see how the next game will run, the unknown number of roles really balances things out.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

August 23 2009 03:49 GMT

#391

in a game with 11 people it hurts to lose your only detective early

ydg

United States690 Posts

August 23 2009 04:22 GMT

#392

Haha I guess. Btw you should play on epicmafia.com

vx70GTOJudgexv

United States3161 Posts

August 24 2009 05:27 GMT

#393

Here's the problem with the "medic claims" plan - the mod can discretionarily leave out any of those roles. So mafia can make a gambit and say "I'm the DT." and the medic only gets one DT claim. You bus one mafioso, since KP doesn't change. Medic announces "ydg is mafia" and then people lynch him and he is, DT is trusted. NK a townie. Town is down to 9, takes 5 to lynch. The fake-DT offers up an innocent. Town lynches someone else as long as the fake-DT's partner lays low. They nightkill the innocent. Down to 7, takes 4 to lynch. Another innocent is offered up. Another non-investigated player is lynched. Said innocent is NKed. Down to 5, takes 3 to lynch. Lylo for town. fake-DT offers an innocent, lynch the other, and GG. They NK the other non-medic and 2 mafiosos vote to lynch the medic next day. One mafioso is sacced to gain the trust of the town and then it's field day.

EDIT: That's just one scenario that could play out. You could have a medic only game in this format theoretically. The semi-openness is what makes it balanced. It's very hard for a semi-open format to be broken by a massclaim because you can have as many or as little of each role.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

August 24 2009 06:38 GMT

#394

Well Mafia standard is to always have 1 DT/1 Medic no matter what otherwise it's GGrapemode.

@ydg: Does epicmafia do 1 week long days? If so I probably wont touch it

ydg

United States690 Posts

August 24 2009 16:16 GMT

#395

epicmafia is like irc-based mafia but in a browser and it's automated so it's much much quicker lol

@vx70GTOJudgexv, yeah that's why i said if the number of roles was known it would be totally imba. technically anyone can claim, i dunno why i said medic, but the vet claiming also works.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

August 25 2009 00:22 GMT

#396

The game is fun when everyone starts claiming in a small game if done at the right time. I've seen some insane Mafia fake claims with all kinds of made up proof that just catches everyone off guard.

vx70GTOJudgexv

United States3161 Posts

August 28 2009 03:57 GMT

#397

On August 24 2009 15:38 Ace wrote:
Well Mafia standard is to always have 1 DT/1 Medic no matter what otherwise it's GGrapemode

Uh... no not really. MS uses a setup in their newbie games that can have 7 townies & 2 mafia. If you play smart, you can actually still win it - it's not impossible.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

August 28 2009 16:41 GMT

#398

If they are doing it for their newbie games it's probably just because people need to learn. When I say standard I'm assuming it's non-newbs in which you always have a DT and a Medic or else the town will be wtf owned.