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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 07 2013 08:10 GMT
#361
On March 07 2013 08:44 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 07:45 zulu_nation8 wrote:
they gotta start sending najin sword to deal with gambit

Unrelated to Korea, do you think World Elite can still beat Gambit?

My inclination is yes but you understand the pro scene better than a lot of people


I have to say yes. I rate their individual skill higher and they also have giant championpools.

I think WE and Gambit are the 2 teams you need about 20 bans against to feel somewhat good before a game starts.
KCCO!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 07 2013 08:30 GMT
#362
3:30 AM...considering staying up for the first match though. Thank God it's break lol. Although I'll probably still regret this tomorrow, need to work on LCS write-up lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 07 2013 08:44 GMT
#363
On March 07 2013 10:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so alex ich seems to favor zed mid, when it's already been fotm and then discarded in the NA scene. Pain's mid laned badly vs zed by not knowing khazix out trades early, ambition knew it, outlaned alex ich but messed up later. Alex Ich seems to favor zed over khazix now. It seems shoving mid out early is even more important than shoving out top.

In the IM vs fnatic games, lilac waited in top lane for cyanide to come after double buffs, cyanide didn't. The next game lilac straight up ganks after double buffs knowing cyanide goes back to small camps after double buffs. I felt like that was a very obvious example of Korean junglers being ahead of junglers from other regions.

Also, midking picking ryze vs zed meant he was either too cocky or he doesn't have experience laning vs zed.


Considering that LCS has like 95% Zed banrate against GG I tend to agree with you that Alex seems to favour Zed more, the more scary thing is that he both plays zed and khazix on such a scary level.

Has Zed really been FOTM in NA? I don't recall a pro match with zed mid, unless you mean High Elo Solo Q, the only Zed player that comes to my mind is NickWu and he plays him top.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 08:54:14
March 07 2013 08:53 GMT
#364
Zed mid and top were fotm when cleaver was OP. My point was more that a team like Gambit have always formed their own opinions regarding the viability of champions, whereas the meta of NA teams seems predominantly influenced by fashion.

I'm gonna watch at least the first game carefully and write as much analysis as I can.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 08:56:10
March 07 2013 08:54 GMT
#365
On March 07 2013 17:44 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 10:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so alex ich seems to favor zed mid, when it's already been fotm and then discarded in the NA scene. Pain's mid laned badly vs zed by not knowing khazix out trades early, ambition knew it, outlaned alex ich but messed up later. Alex Ich seems to favor zed over khazix now. It seems shoving mid out early is even more important than shoving out top.

In the IM vs fnatic games, lilac waited in top lane for cyanide to come after double buffs, cyanide didn't. The next game lilac straight up ganks after double buffs knowing cyanide goes back to small camps after double buffs. I felt like that was a very obvious example of Korean junglers being ahead of junglers from other regions.

Also, midking picking ryze vs zed meant he was either too cocky or he doesn't have experience laning vs zed.


Considering that LCS has like 95% Zed banrate against GG I tend to agree with you that Alex seems to favour Zed more, the more scary thing is that he both plays zed and khazix on such a scary level.

Has Zed really been FOTM in NA? I don't recall a pro match with zed mid, unless you mean High Elo Solo Q, the only Zed player that comes to my mind is NickWu and he plays him top.

Zed really underplayed in NA. Can't even recall any (LCS) games where he was played, and if he was it was probably Top instead of Mid.

Edit: Recently anyway, guess he was more prevalent when BC was really strong.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 07 2013 08:56 GMT
#366
Thing is, if you ban Zed and Khazix, you have 1 ban left for Tresh, Voli, Shen and Renekton... And thats assuming Alex doenst just play Kayle, Karthus , Ryze, TF etc etc...
KCCO!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 07 2013 08:59 GMT
#367
Gambit's champ pool runs deep, they do so well with so many champs banning can only get you so far. You ban out one champ/comp they just run with another. Pretty much just comes down to which one comp a team doesn't want to play against.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 07 2013 08:59 GMT
#368
CJ used all three of their bans on mids, those three are probably the safest blind pick mids. Seems like either SKT's mid is their strongest or their weakest player. Korean meta not that much different from NA meta like Scarra says. I think cross region meta lag has decreased significantly since start of season 3.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
March 07 2013 09:02 GMT
#369
On March 07 2013 17:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Gambit's champ pool runs deep, they do so well with so many champs banning can only get you so far. You ban out one champ/comp they just run with another. Pretty much just comes down to which one comp a team doesn't want to play against.

Alex's and Diamond's pool is pretty big, for the rest its not at all. Smaller than average actually. Especially for Darien.
Off-season = best season
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 07 2013 09:03 GMT
#370
<Insert mandatory woong mockery here>
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 07 2013 09:03 GMT
#371
"He made the Woong move"

And that starts us of with another day of puns
KCCO!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 07 2013 09:03 GMT
#372
They said SKT's mid laner is new so my guess would be he's weaker, Reapered probably still the all-star of the team.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 07 2013 09:03 GMT
#373
On March 07 2013 18:03 Sufficiency wrote:
<Insert mandatory woong mockery here>

QFT

Also double kill mid.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
March 07 2013 09:03 GMT
#374
The fuck was Jarvan doing there?
Off-season = best season
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 07 2013 09:05 GMT
#375
Wasnt cj frost use to be azubu frost?

What happened?

sry im behind

Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 07 2013 09:06 GMT
#376
On March 07 2013 18:03 ihasaKAROT wrote:
"He made the Woong move"


hahahaha
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 09:07:22
March 07 2013 09:06 GMT
#377
On March 07 2013 18:02 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 17:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Gambit's champ pool runs deep, they do so well with so many champs banning can only get you so far. You ban out one champ/comp they just run with another. Pretty much just comes down to which one comp a team doesn't want to play against.

Alex's and Diamond's pool is pretty big, for the rest its not at all. Smaller than average actually. Especially for Darien.

People will still waste bans on Alex/Diamond so it allows Darien to keep a smaller champ pool. Ed Ward has Sona/Thresh/Lulu to turn to, enough they can't ban him out anyway. Not sure about Genja, but no one bans for ADCs so I guess that's kind of mute.
On March 07 2013 18:05 Disengaged wrote:
Wasnt cj frost use to be azubu frost?

What happened?

sry im behind


Their contract with Azubu ran out and they couldn't agree to new terms, CJ Entus picked them up as their new sponsor.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
niukasu1990
Profile Joined July 2012
1007 Posts
March 07 2013 09:06 GMT
#378
lol, the caster said shy and stanley are the best top laner in the world.
They forget PDD and caomei...
PDD in S2 just beat shy..
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 07 2013 09:08 GMT
#379
On March 07 2013 18:06 niukasu1990 wrote:
lol, the caster said shy and stanley are the best top laner in the world.
They forget PDD and caomei...
PDD in S2 just beat shy..

They are all top tier :p, it's not like he claimed Hotshot was the best Top laner in the world. Saying Shy is the best Top laner isn't that much of a reach.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 07 2013 09:09 GMT
#380
On March 07 2013 18:06 niukasu1990 wrote:
lol, the caster said shy and stanley are the best top laner in the world.
They forget PDD and caomei...
PDD in S2 just beat shy..


Atleast he didnt say the name of some NA team toplane player.
KCCO!
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