EPTSpain vs Italy - The Final!! - Page 31
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Tippany
United States765 Posts
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Craze
United States561 Posts
On July 02 2012 10:45 ecstatica wrote: I do agree with this to an extent, we can probably meet in the middle. I see clear lack of elite forwards and not many high quality defenders. This new era does suck. Think of not too long ago when every top nation had some world class forwards there - del piero, indzaghi, vieri etc for Italy, raul and morientes for spain, kluivert and bergkamp for holland, owen and shearer and sheringham for england, anelka and henry for france, klinsmann and bierhoff for germany, even damn norway had flo and solskjaer. Defense was just as stacked... Cannavaro, nesta maldini costacurta turam southgate campbell neville brothers de boer stam nadal matthaeus blanc etc etc. I dont see any of this today. Spains midfield is the most talented group of players past 4-5 years that truly outmatches anything they face. Its been rather bland. I think it has more to do with rising parity between elite players all over the world than it does with lesser "great" players. To be truly great you have to do more than ever before, as well as be born with the right body, be seen by the right coaches and so on. Every player at the high levels has multiple trainers and coaches, a dietician etc. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1710 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 02 2012 10:45 ecstatica wrote: I do agree with this to an extent, we can probably meet in the middle. I see clear lack of elite forwards and not many high quality defenders. This new era does suck. Think of not too long ago when every top nation had some world class forwards there - del piero, indzaghi, vieri etc for Italy, raul and morientes for spain, kluivert and bergkamp for holland, owen and shearer and sheringham for england, anelka and henry for france, klinsmann and bierhoff for germany, even damn norway had flo and solskjaer. Defense was just as stacked... Cannavaro, nesta maldini costacurta turam southgate campbell neville brothers de boer stam nadal matthaeus blanc etc etc. I dont see any of this today. Spains midfield is the most talented group of players past 4-5 years that truly outmatches anything they face. Its been rather bland. Central defenders maybe not, but the old fashioned defender hasgone out of fashion for a large part. Strikers are just as good as they used to be for most national teams. And actually Anelka wasnt much of a national teamer, It was mostly the midfield (Zidane) that won France 98 and Trezeguet, Henry upfront in 2000. They havent been much since then. You also have to realise that these players developed their legacies over time. Most teams are in a bit of flux right now with most defenders generally very young. Some of them will have their names alongside those guys others wont. Its not like those greats were infallible unstoppable forces either. They had bad periods and got criticized just like the players today. Just maybe not on the internet. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
Gratz to Spain XD. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
 Congratz to whole Spain,congratz to Furia Roja and congratz to DelBosque,u r all amazing!Perfect tika-taka | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
Also, the Golden Boot for Torres of all people is funny. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On July 02 2012 16:26 Scorch wrote: Still, I think 4:0 was too much. 2:0 would have sufficed. Also, the Golden Boot for Torres of all people is funny. You're not gonna get that many chances to score 4 against a team like Italy. Gotta do it when you can. | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
On July 02 2012 08:12 sharkie wrote: You seriously believe Portugal, Italy and Netherlands are one man ego shows? I will say this, I dont know how many chances Netherlands had where they could have had a better opportunity for goal, but when Robben decides to go for it himself. Their last game, where Robben passes instead of trying himself, instantly goal. Same goes for Ronaldo. The games pretty much narrows down to if their star had a good day at work. 2-0 for italy, Balotelli shines, 3-2 for Portugal Ronaldo shines. All the 0 games, they had plenty of chances, but blew all of them. And many of the chances could have been goal if it wasnt for their ego. (though I admit it is easy to say when watching the everything from TV) | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4282 Posts
On July 02 2012 16:26 Scorch wrote: I really didn't expect this outcome at all. Spain wasn't what they used to be and made it to the finals with mediocre play, while Italy performed very well in the last two games, even soundly beating tournament favorite Germany. My guess was ITA 2:1 ESP. It just felt like Italy deserved the title more. Then, suddenly, Spain turned it up. They were their former unbeatable selves who stomped all over the last two major tournaments and brought on the ownage. There was no stopping Spain, they were clearly not gonna be beaten yesterday. Still, I think 4:0 was too much. 2:0 would have sufficed. Also, the Golden Boot for Torres of all people is funny. It was not mediocre play. They played enough to win the other games and then passed the ball, saving strenght and avoiding giving chances against. Still most games they were looking for openings without forcing that much after a goal but you also need to factor in that most other teams went defense heavy against them. I really fail to see why people call spanish play this tournament mediocre. Not super fast from 0 to 90 every game in favour of a more mature possession and safe chances? Sure. Mediocre? I dont see it. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
The moment they show Torres scores is beautiful. | ||
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Ubikuuu!
Italy285 Posts
ESP was superior on paper but the last games opened up hope. Better team won anyway, gg, gratz Spain. | ||
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Mephiztopheles1
1124 Posts
On July 02 2012 08:46 carloselcoco wrote: LOL a real team that loses 4-0 in the finals... Italy's defense was made up by 11 year old kids who were just learning how to defend. You know that your defense sucks when Torres scores against you. FACT: Italy is the only team in the world who has lost against North Korea in a world cup. In fact, Italy is the only team to have never beaten North Korea in a world cup. Fact: Italy are four time world champions. Fact as well: It was the worst result of a final in a Euro. And a world cup if you think 4-0 is worse than 5-2. Fact for Brazil 2014: No european team has ever been able to win a world cup in America. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On July 02 2012 21:27 Mephiztopheles1 wrote: Fact for Brazil 2014: No european team has ever been able to win a world cup in America. True, Europeans are 0 for 7 in WC held in Americas, but it's not like South Americans are that much better either. They are 1 for 10 in WC held in Europe. | ||
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MartinN
Spain307 Posts
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Fleuria
England466 Posts
On July 02 2012 22:23 don_kyuhote wrote: True, Europeans are 0 for 7 in WC held in Americas, but it's not like South Americans are that much better either. They are 1 for 10 in WC held in Europe. If spain get a few young players through of equal skill to jordi alba then they will defend their world cup | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On July 02 2012 21:27 Mephiztopheles1 wrote: Fact: Italy are four time world champions. Fact as well: It was the worst result of a final in a Euro. And a world cup if you think 4-0 is worse than 5-2. Fact for Brazil 2014: No european team has ever been able to win a world cup in America. FACT: Torres scored against Italy. It only shows how pathetic they preformed compared to three weeks ago. Fact: You are mad as hell. | ||
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