On June 28 2012 18:16 [X]Ken_D wrote: One of the most disappointing Eurocup games
Even fewer scoring opportunities than many of the previous games.
Spain's strategy against Portugal: Foul Ronaldo when he has the ball, then foul Ronaldo when he doesn't have the ball lol.
Anyways, congratulation to Spain for getting to the finals.
Really? Perhaps we were watching a different game. For the most part it looked like they didn't care much for Ronaldo becaue they knew he's pretty much impotent as a striker in this tournament. He wastes so many good opportunities it's unbelievable. His dribbling and passing is top notch (still not close to Zinedine Zidane, but he's getting there), I'll give him that, but I would never put him in advanced forward position because he seems to have 0 finesse when striking. All he seems to be doing is shoot at the goal as strong as he can and pray for the best. Incidentally Benzema was clearly experiencing the same problem as Ronaldo in France, there was no one he could play dinky balls with or intricate passes, so he tried to go it alone and was forced to play one dimensionally. When you watch Ozil, Benzema and Ronaldo link up in RM then you will realise what Ronaldo is missing in Portugal!!!
One of the most overrated players in my opinion, at least as a striker. He should play in the midfield, where his skills could be put to more use. Sure, he would get less chances to score but I believe that overall team performance would improve.
If you need examples just look at Roberto Carlos, who scored more goals than many strikers (in a striker-heavy teams no less) and he was playing on the defence. You don't really need a very good dribbler as your advanced forward, who you need there is a guy who knows the right place to be at the right time and can put the ball in the goal regardless of position, facing, number of defenders etc. (vide: Henrik Larsson).
Long story short: Dribbling and passing are skills best used in the midfield. Advanced forward usually only needs to touch the ball once, he just needs to make sure this one touch counts (and CR seems incapable of doing that). Conclusion: CR is playing on wrong position and is a showman with delusions of grandeur which doesn't even match his performance.
Manitou as much as I love you for your amazing posts on the random pics thread, this is bang wrong and shows you haven't watched him at club level. Messi also 'underperforms' in national level but no sane person would say that makes him bad. Ronaldo is in a team of average attacking players. He is miles and above everyone else in his squad. You have to remember that what makes him so dangerous in RM is the fact that he can offload to world class players, and hit crosses to Benzema, so his opponents don't know if he will pass or dribble. In Portugal, his only viable option is just to dribble and shoot because he can't rely on his teammates. It forces him to be one-dimensional and also players tremendous pressure on him. I am only too familiar with our wonderful English players cracking under the pressure and being way worse in International play than domestic.
Incidentally Benzema was clearly experiencing the same problem as Ronaldo in France, there was no one he could play dinky balls with or intricate passes, so he tried to go it alone and was forced to play one dimensionally. When you watch Ozil, Benzema and Ronaldo link up in RM then you will realise what Ronaldo is missing in Portugal!!!
Ronaldo easily equals Zidane in his usefulness to RM, and they are on the same level in terms of what they can offer to their team at national level, it's just that in the France teams Zidane played with, the level was INSANELY higher than Portugal.
Dribbling and passing skills being only good for midfield is a crazy assertion. Firstly, Messi has wonderful skills in that area and he is a forward (and there are loads of players like him in that position). Secondly, there are masses of great wingers who all exhibit wonderful footwork, a turn of pace and exquisite passing/ crossing, which CR7 exhibits day in day out for RM. He also played extremely well for Portugal even though he got unlucky a few times with his finishing.
Also I don't know why you are going on about position, CR7 is a winger in RM the only reason he was coming inside was because of how incredibad everyone else is at attacking in Portugal and how much he needed to carry the team. Also, Nani's performances were SO shocking this tournament. He was probably the worst performer. Meireles actually performed above his level in Chelsea imo, probably because he was passing to Ronaldo and taking less ridiculous long range 1% success rate shots.
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
I cannot for the life of me understand why on earth you would equate a very offensive team like Barcelona with the way this Spanish team play, have you actually watched Spain and Barcelona play? Not to mention that even by this mindless logic Ronaldo has about a 10% rate of playing well vs Barcelona, he is usually awful vs Barcelona.
You are also taking the words of managers pre match on face value. I really do wonder if this is the first tournament you've ever watched football.
I pretty much can't remember a single occasion this entire tournament or in the World Cup 2010 where any player for any team got themselves in a 1 vs 1 situation with a Spanish defender, and you honestly believe that the one guy they will give that space to is Cristiano Ronaldo? Absolute madness.
Balotelli 1v1 Ramos, skinned him alive....missed a 1on1 from it, probably miss of tournament....theres one. I have watched to much football, i have watched every international tournament since 98 world cup, when i was 8. You just have your vision of what is what and don't allow for anyone elses' opinion that is fine, i understand where your logic is coming from but you clearly didnt watch a galatico this season if you think Ronaldo "didn't do anything" in those matches. he won the copa del rey final vs them in 2010 and in 2011-12 season when they finally beat them in the league for the first time in like 2/3 seasons it was Ronaldo who rounded valdes with a stunning finish. Barcelona are Spain minus Spain doesn't have the Messi, if they had a Messi they would walk every competition they play, but they don't hense the teams like Switzerland Portugal England have all beaten them in the past 2 years. Lets just see what happens before you respond and criticise everything i have just wrote please! After the game, if it goes the way your expecting it too and Ronaldo does nothing feel free to quote me as much as you like
Oh Pandemona parhaps now you'll learn that football isn't played by reading names from a computer screen. Just like I predicted Portugal were completely toothless and didn't even manage a shot on target all game.
Another great defensive display for Spain, Del Bosque should have gone with Llorente instead of Negredo who was awful.
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
I cannot for the life of me understand why on earth you would equate a very offensive team like Barcelona with the way this Spanish team play, have you actually watched Spain and Barcelona play? Not to mention that even by this mindless logic Ronaldo has about a 10% rate of playing well vs Barcelona, he is usually awful vs Barcelona.
You are also taking the words of managers pre match on face value. I really do wonder if this is the first tournament you've ever watched football.
I pretty much can't remember a single occasion this entire tournament or in the World Cup 2010 where any player for any team got themselves in a 1 vs 1 situation with a Spanish defender, and you honestly believe that the one guy they will give that space to is Cristiano Ronaldo? Absolute madness.
Balotelli 1v1 Ramos, skinned him alive....missed a 1on1 from it, probably miss of tournament....theres one. I have watched to much football, i have watched every international tournament since 98 world cup, when i was 8. You just have your vision of what is what and don't allow for anyone elses' opinion that is fine, i understand where your logic is coming from but you clearly didnt watch a galatico this season if you think Ronaldo "didn't do anything" in those matches. he won the copa del rey final vs them in 2010 and in 2011-12 season when they finally beat them in the league for the first time in like 2/3 seasons it was Ronaldo who rounded valdes with a stunning finish. Barcelona are Spain minus Spain doesn't have the Messi, if they had a Messi they would walk every competition they play, but they don't hense the teams like Switzerland Portugal England have all beaten them in the past 2 years. Lets just see what happens before you respond and criticise everything i have just wrote please! After the game, if it goes the way your expecting it too and Ronaldo does nothing feel free to quote me as much as you like
Oh Pandemona parhaps now you'll learn that football isn't played by reading names from a computer screen. Just like I predicted Portugal were completely toothless and didn't even manage a shot on target all game.
Another great defensive display for Spain, Del Bosque should have gone with Llorente instead of Negredo who was awful.
What game did you watch? 0.O 1st half, Portugal > Spain, everywhere on the pitch. 2nd half was shittest game of football. Extra Time, Spain woke up and played the way we know, it was not until the last 30minutes (extra time) Spain played well? How can you say Spain were excellent in defense just because they didnt concede? Were Chelsea excellent vs Barcelona at stamford bridge because they didnt concede? I think not (coming from a Chelsea fan too) Ronaldo didn't play well, yet was still the best attacking threat, and was eating Arbeloa up, Arbeloa fouled him like 5 times.
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
On June 27 2012 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:51 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
On June 27 2012 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 18:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:51 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
I cannot for the life of me understand why on earth you would equate a very offensive team like Barcelona with the way this Spanish team play, have you actually watched Spain and Barcelona play? Not to mention that even by this mindless logic Ronaldo has about a 10% rate of playing well vs Barcelona, he is usually awful vs Barcelona.
You are also taking the words of managers pre match on face value. I really do wonder if this is the first tournament you've ever watched football.
I pretty much can't remember a single occasion this entire tournament or in the World Cup 2010 where any player for any team got themselves in a 1 vs 1 situation with a Spanish defender, and you honestly believe that the one guy they will give that space to is Cristiano Ronaldo? Absolute madness.
Balotelli 1v1 Ramos, skinned him alive....missed a 1on1 from it, probably miss of tournament....theres one. I have watched to much football, i have watched every international tournament since 98 world cup, when i was 8. You just have your vision of what is what and don't allow for anyone elses' opinion that is fine, i understand where your logic is coming from but you clearly didnt watch a galatico this season if you think Ronaldo "didn't do anything" in those matches. he won the copa del rey final vs them in 2010 and in 2011-12 season when they finally beat them in the league for the first time in like 2/3 seasons it was Ronaldo who rounded valdes with a stunning finish. Barcelona are Spain minus Spain doesn't have the Messi, if they had a Messi they would walk every competition they play, but they don't hense the teams like Switzerland Portugal England have all beaten them in the past 2 years. Lets just see what happens before you respond and criticise everything i have just wrote please! After the game, if it goes the way your expecting it too and Ronaldo does nothing feel free to quote me as much as you like
Oh Pandemona parhaps now you'll learn that football isn't played by reading names from a computer screen. Just like I predicted Portugal were completely toothless and didn't even manage a shot on target all game.
Another great defensive display for Spain, Del Bosque should have gone with Llorente instead of Negredo who was awful.
What game did you watch? 0.O 1st half, Portugal > Spain, everywhere on the pitch. 2nd half was shittest game of football. Extra Time, Spain woke up and played the way we know, it was not until the last 30minutes (extra time) Spain played well? How can you say Spain were excellent in defense just because they didnt concede? Were Chelsea excellent vs Barcelona at stamford bridge because they didnt concede? I think not (coming from a Chelsea fan too) Ronaldo didn't play well, yet was still the best attacking threat, and was eating Arbeloa up, Arbeloa fouled him like 5 times.
Despite this being the worst competitive game Spain have played since 2007 against Northern Ireland their opponents had 0 shots on target.
Fouling is part of defending tbh, Italians have been doing it for decades.
I told you Portugal wouldn't score and they didn't.
Jesus Christ, all I do on this forum is correct factual errors.
Aeroplaneoverthesea, the completely toothless team you're mentioning was one of the rare teams in the past 4 years that managed to play above or at the same level of Spain, didn't let them control the game or play their shitty taka consistently. The worst competitive game Spain played was due to the high pressure and excellent defending of Portugal.
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
On June 27 2012 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:51 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
On June 27 2012 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 18:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:51 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
I cannot for the life of me understand why on earth you would equate a very offensive team like Barcelona with the way this Spanish team play, have you actually watched Spain and Barcelona play? Not to mention that even by this mindless logic Ronaldo has about a 10% rate of playing well vs Barcelona, he is usually awful vs Barcelona.
You are also taking the words of managers pre match on face value. I really do wonder if this is the first tournament you've ever watched football.
I pretty much can't remember a single occasion this entire tournament or in the World Cup 2010 where any player for any team got themselves in a 1 vs 1 situation with a Spanish defender, and you honestly believe that the one guy they will give that space to is Cristiano Ronaldo? Absolute madness.
Balotelli 1v1 Ramos, skinned him alive....missed a 1on1 from it, probably miss of tournament....theres one. I have watched to much football, i have watched every international tournament since 98 world cup, when i was 8. You just have your vision of what is what and don't allow for anyone elses' opinion that is fine, i understand where your logic is coming from but you clearly didnt watch a galatico this season if you think Ronaldo "didn't do anything" in those matches. he won the copa del rey final vs them in 2010 and in 2011-12 season when they finally beat them in the league for the first time in like 2/3 seasons it was Ronaldo who rounded valdes with a stunning finish. Barcelona are Spain minus Spain doesn't have the Messi, if they had a Messi they would walk every competition they play, but they don't hense the teams like Switzerland Portugal England have all beaten them in the past 2 years. Lets just see what happens before you respond and criticise everything i have just wrote please! After the game, if it goes the way your expecting it too and Ronaldo does nothing feel free to quote me as much as you like
Oh Pandemona parhaps now you'll learn that football isn't played by reading names from a computer screen. Just like I predicted Portugal were completely toothless and didn't even manage a shot on target all game.
Another great defensive display for Spain, Del Bosque should have gone with Llorente instead of Negredo who was awful.
What game did you watch? 0.O 1st half, Portugal > Spain, everywhere on the pitch. 2nd half was shittest game of football. Extra Time, Spain woke up and played the way we know, it was not until the last 30minutes (extra time) Spain played well? How can you say Spain were excellent in defense just because they didnt concede? Were Chelsea excellent vs Barcelona at stamford bridge because they didnt concede? I think not (coming from a Chelsea fan too) Ronaldo didn't play well, yet was still the best attacking threat, and was eating Arbeloa up, Arbeloa fouled him like 5 times.
Despite this being the worst competitive game Spain have played since 2007 against Northern Ireland their opponents had 0 shots on target.
Fouling is part of defending tbh, Italians have been doing it for decades.
I told you Portugal wouldn't score and they didn't.
Well technically they did :O But yes your point about the result i guess was right, but you cannot say it was one sided, apart from in the extra time 30minutes when Portugal were tired and Spain were finally playing like the best team in the world xD 1st half was a tactical masterclass by Portugal Fouling is part of defending yes, but try telling that to the rest of Europe xD We watch the toughest league week in week out for physicallness and UEFA/FIFA constantly cut down the physical side of the game.
But anyway, yes you were right Portugal wouldnt win nor score a goal (in 120minutes) but Ronaldo did influence the game like i said he would =P
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
I cannot for the life of me understand why on earth you would equate a very offensive team like Barcelona with the way this Spanish team play, have you actually watched Spain and Barcelona play? Not to mention that even by this mindless logic Ronaldo has about a 10% rate of playing well vs Barcelona, he is usually awful vs Barcelona.
You are also taking the words of managers pre match on face value. I really do wonder if this is the first tournament you've ever watched football.
I pretty much can't remember a single occasion this entire tournament or in the World Cup 2010 where any player for any team got themselves in a 1 vs 1 situation with a Spanish defender, and you honestly believe that the one guy they will give that space to is Cristiano Ronaldo? Absolute madness.
Balotelli 1v1 Ramos, skinned him alive....missed a 1on1 from it, probably miss of tournament....theres one. I have watched to much football, i have watched every international tournament since 98 world cup, when i was 8. You just have your vision of what is what and don't allow for anyone elses' opinion that is fine, i understand where your logic is coming from but you clearly didnt watch a galatico this season if you think Ronaldo "didn't do anything" in those matches. he won the copa del rey final vs them in 2010 and in 2011-12 season when they finally beat them in the league for the first time in like 2/3 seasons it was Ronaldo who rounded valdes with a stunning finish. Barcelona are Spain minus Spain doesn't have the Messi, if they had a Messi they would walk every competition they play, but they don't hense the teams like Switzerland Portugal England have all beaten them in the past 2 years. Lets just see what happens before you respond and criticise everything i have just wrote please! After the game, if it goes the way your expecting it too and Ronaldo does nothing feel free to quote me as much as you like
Oh Pandemona parhaps now you'll learn that football isn't played by reading names from a computer screen. Just like I predicted Portugal were completely toothless and didn't even manage a shot on target all game.
Another great defensive display for Spain, Del Bosque should have gone with Llorente instead of Negredo who was awful.
He was absolutely right and Ronaldo bossed that game just as much as any of the quality Spanish players. CR7 was just unfortunate in the finish. Xavi was finding little success and Iniesta was thwarted just as much as CR7 was. The Spanish attacks in the end were substantial but Portugal deserved to be 1-0 before extra time.
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
On June 27 2012 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:51 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
On June 27 2012 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 18:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:51 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
I cannot for the life of me understand why on earth you would equate a very offensive team like Barcelona with the way this Spanish team play, have you actually watched Spain and Barcelona play? Not to mention that even by this mindless logic Ronaldo has about a 10% rate of playing well vs Barcelona, he is usually awful vs Barcelona.
You are also taking the words of managers pre match on face value. I really do wonder if this is the first tournament you've ever watched football.
I pretty much can't remember a single occasion this entire tournament or in the World Cup 2010 where any player for any team got themselves in a 1 vs 1 situation with a Spanish defender, and you honestly believe that the one guy they will give that space to is Cristiano Ronaldo? Absolute madness.
Balotelli 1v1 Ramos, skinned him alive....missed a 1on1 from it, probably miss of tournament....theres one. I have watched to much football, i have watched every international tournament since 98 world cup, when i was 8. You just have your vision of what is what and don't allow for anyone elses' opinion that is fine, i understand where your logic is coming from but you clearly didnt watch a galatico this season if you think Ronaldo "didn't do anything" in those matches. he won the copa del rey final vs them in 2010 and in 2011-12 season when they finally beat them in the league for the first time in like 2/3 seasons it was Ronaldo who rounded valdes with a stunning finish. Barcelona are Spain minus Spain doesn't have the Messi, if they had a Messi they would walk every competition they play, but they don't hense the teams like Switzerland Portugal England have all beaten them in the past 2 years. Lets just see what happens before you respond and criticise everything i have just wrote please! After the game, if it goes the way your expecting it too and Ronaldo does nothing feel free to quote me as much as you like
Oh Pandemona parhaps now you'll learn that football isn't played by reading names from a computer screen. Just like I predicted Portugal were completely toothless and didn't even manage a shot on target all game.
Another great defensive display for Spain, Del Bosque should have gone with Llorente instead of Negredo who was awful.
He was absolutely right and Ronaldo bossed that game just as much as any of the quality Spanish players. CR7 was just unfortunate in the finish. Xavi was finding little success and Iniesta was thwarted just as much as CR7 was. The Spanish attacks in the end were substantial but Portugal deserved to be 1-0 before extra time.
I didn't make a single prediction about Spain being amazing going forward and creating countless chances.
I purely said Portugal would not be able to score past this Spain team which they weren't.
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
On June 27 2012 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:51 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
On June 27 2012 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 18:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:51 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
I cannot for the life of me understand why on earth you would equate a very offensive team like Barcelona with the way this Spanish team play, have you actually watched Spain and Barcelona play? Not to mention that even by this mindless logic Ronaldo has about a 10% rate of playing well vs Barcelona, he is usually awful vs Barcelona.
You are also taking the words of managers pre match on face value. I really do wonder if this is the first tournament you've ever watched football.
I pretty much can't remember a single occasion this entire tournament or in the World Cup 2010 where any player for any team got themselves in a 1 vs 1 situation with a Spanish defender, and you honestly believe that the one guy they will give that space to is Cristiano Ronaldo? Absolute madness.
Balotelli 1v1 Ramos, skinned him alive....missed a 1on1 from it, probably miss of tournament....theres one. I have watched to much football, i have watched every international tournament since 98 world cup, when i was 8. You just have your vision of what is what and don't allow for anyone elses' opinion that is fine, i understand where your logic is coming from but you clearly didnt watch a galatico this season if you think Ronaldo "didn't do anything" in those matches. he won the copa del rey final vs them in 2010 and in 2011-12 season when they finally beat them in the league for the first time in like 2/3 seasons it was Ronaldo who rounded valdes with a stunning finish. Barcelona are Spain minus Spain doesn't have the Messi, if they had a Messi they would walk every competition they play, but they don't hense the teams like Switzerland Portugal England have all beaten them in the past 2 years. Lets just see what happens before you respond and criticise everything i have just wrote please! After the game, if it goes the way your expecting it too and Ronaldo does nothing feel free to quote me as much as you like
Oh Pandemona parhaps now you'll learn that football isn't played by reading names from a computer screen. Just like I predicted Portugal were completely toothless and didn't even manage a shot on target all game.
Another great defensive display for Spain, Del Bosque should have gone with Llorente instead of Negredo who was awful.
He was absolutely right and Ronaldo bossed that game just as much as any of the quality Spanish players. CR7 was just unfortunate in the finish. Xavi was finding little success and Iniesta was thwarted just as much as CR7 was. The Spanish attacks in the end were substantial but Portugal deserved to be 1-0 before extra time.
I didn't make a single prediction about Spain being amazing going forward and creating countless chances.
I purely said Portugal would not be able to score past this Spain team which they weren't.
Except you are giving credit to Spain where they dont deserve it, infact it was more demerit from some Portugal players than merit from Spain defensively. Even telling you more, Spain is looking horrible if compared to any point in time for the last four years.
On June 28 2012 18:16 [X]Ken_D wrote: One of the most disappointing Eurocup games
Even fewer scoring opportunities than many of the previous games.
Spain's strategy against Portugal: Foul Ronaldo when he has the ball, then foul Ronaldo when he doesn't have the ball lol.
Anyways, congratulation to Spain for getting to the finals.
Really? Perhaps we were watching a different game. For the most part it looked like they didn't care much for Ronaldo becaue they knew he's pretty much impotent as a striker in this tournament. He wastes so many good opportunities it's unbelievable. His dribbling and passing is top notch (still not close to Zinedine Zidane, but he's getting there), I'll give him that, but I would never put him in advanced forward position because he seems to have 0 finesse when striking. All he seems to be doing is shoot at the goal as strong as he can and pray for the best. Incidentally Benzema was clearly experiencing the same problem as Ronaldo in France, there was no one he could play dinky balls with or intricate passes, so he tried to go it alone and was forced to play one dimensionally. When you watch Ozil, Benzema and Ronaldo link up in RM then you will realise what Ronaldo is missing in Portugal!!!
One of the most overrated players in my opinion, at least as a striker. He should play in the midfield, where his skills could be put to more use. Sure, he would get less chances to score but I believe that overall team performance would improve.
If you need examples just look at Roberto Carlos, who scored more goals than many strikers (in a striker-heavy teams no less) and he was playing on the defence. You don't really need a very good dribbler as your advanced forward, who you need there is a guy who knows the right place to be at the right time and can put the ball in the goal regardless of position, facing, number of defenders etc. (vide: Henrik Larsson).
Long story short: Dribbling and passing are skills best used in the midfield. Advanced forward usually only needs to touch the ball once, he just needs to make sure this one touch counts (and CR seems incapable of doing that). Conclusion: CR is playing on wrong position and is a showman with delusions of grandeur which doesn't even match his performance.
Ronaldo easily equals Zidane in his usefulness to RM, and they are on the same level in terms of what they can offer to their team at national level, it's just that in the France teams Zidane played with, the level was INSANELY higher than Portugal.
Theres no point in arguing with people over soccer, let alone on the internet, because no one changes their minds about it.
That said the one single paragraph made me laugh the hardest. Zidane and ronaldo have nothing in common, Zidane is dominant species to ronaldo and a ton of other mediocre overhyped soccer players. There is no comparison between the two as Zidane carried teams and did EVERYTHING you would want a playmaker to do and more, cronaldo can't support his own weight over half the time and falls over. he needs a playmaker to work for him in order to get goal O_O
The fact zidane smokes makes it even more impressive in a black kind of way
Lol at people bashing Portugal, we played a great game and everyone that says this game wasn't a good game clearly doesn't understand football!
This was a great game of two great teams..
Spain tried to do the "tiki-taka" bunch of small passes until they find a opening and they found space one or two times in 120 minutes.. It isn't spain playing bad.. it's Portugal playing perfect on defense.
We took them to penaltys and could have won the game but they had luck on their side and won on penaltys, good for them but don't forget last time they won with a goal off-side! So yeah we might not be as good as spain but we give them good games and if they underperform they will lose because we are that good!
Hate all you want but our small country is always top4 in europe and will continue to kick your ass everytime!
The only teams in europe better then us right now are Italy, Spain and Germany..
Oh and BTW Ronaldo might be worse then Messi but who here wouldn't want him in his club and nacional team? The guy had 70 goals this season and his team cleaned "La Liga" so yeah he is pretty decent and besides Messi no one is even close..
For instance Zidane is a great player, one of my favourites but he didn't rule football like Messi and Ronaldo and he for sure didn't score 70 goals! PS ronaldo is a winger not a striker
On June 28 2012 18:16 [X]Ken_D wrote: One of the most disappointing Eurocup games
Even fewer scoring opportunities than many of the previous games.
Spain's strategy against Portugal: Foul Ronaldo when he has the ball, then foul Ronaldo when he doesn't have the ball lol.
Anyways, congratulation to Spain for getting to the finals.
Really? Perhaps we were watching a different game. For the most part it looked like they didn't care much for Ronaldo becaue they knew he's pretty much impotent as a striker in this tournament. He wastes so many good opportunities it's unbelievable. His dribbling and passing is top notch (still not close to Zinedine Zidane, but he's getting there), I'll give him that, but I would never put him in advanced forward position because he seems to have 0 finesse when striking. All he seems to be doing is shoot at the goal as strong as he can and pray for the best. Incidentally Benzema was clearly experiencing the same problem as Ronaldo in France, there was no one he could play dinky balls with or intricate passes, so he tried to go it alone and was forced to play one dimensionally. When you watch Ozil, Benzema and Ronaldo link up in RM then you will realise what Ronaldo is missing in Portugal!!!
One of the most overrated players in my opinion, at least as a striker. He should play in the midfield, where his skills could be put to more use. Sure, he would get less chances to score but I believe that overall team performance would improve.
If you need examples just look at Roberto Carlos, who scored more goals than many strikers (in a striker-heavy teams no less) and he was playing on the defence. You don't really need a very good dribbler as your advanced forward, who you need there is a guy who knows the right place to be at the right time and can put the ball in the goal regardless of position, facing, number of defenders etc. (vide: Henrik Larsson).
Long story short: Dribbling and passing are skills best used in the midfield. Advanced forward usually only needs to touch the ball once, he just needs to make sure this one touch counts (and CR seems incapable of doing that). Conclusion: CR is playing on wrong position and is a showman with delusions of grandeur which doesn't even match his performance.
Ronaldo easily equals Zidane in his usefulness to RM, and they are on the same level in terms of what they can offer to their team at national level, it's just that in the France teams Zidane played with, the level was INSANELY higher than Portugal.
Theres no point in arguing with people over soccer, let alone on the internet, because no one changes their minds about it.
That said the one single paragraph made me laugh the hardest. Zidane and ronaldo have nothing in common, Zidane is dominant species to ronaldo and a ton of other mediocre overhyped soccer players. There is no comparison between the two as Zidane carried teams and did EVERYTHING you would want a playmaker to do and more, cronaldo can't support his own weight over half the time and falls over. he needs a playmaker to work for him in order to get goal O_O
The fact zidane smokes makes it even more impressive in a black kind of way
LOL he doesn't carry teams with 70 goals? He alone with is goals won more then 20 points for RM.. Zidane passed and created but if no one score on those chances you would lose or tie everytime..
On June 28 2012 06:47 -IeZaeL- wrote: hahaha i love how every single german is criying about "Portugal dont deserve this lose..bla bla bla" xDDDD! They are already scared.....the funny thing is that they will fail vs Italy......xD!
SPAIN >>>>>>>>>> SPAIN U23 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORLD !
On June 28 2012 06:47 -IeZaeL- wrote: hahaha i love how every single german is criying about "Portugal dont deserve this lose..bla bla bla" xDDDD! They are already scared.....the funny thing is that they will fail vs Italy......xD!
SPAIN >>>>>>>>>> SPAIN U23 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORLD !
germany really shouldn't be scared of a spain team in this shape.
On June 28 2012 18:16 [X]Ken_D wrote: One of the most disappointing Eurocup games
Even fewer scoring opportunities than many of the previous games.
Spain's strategy against Portugal: Foul Ronaldo when he has the ball, then foul Ronaldo when he doesn't have the ball lol.
Anyways, congratulation to Spain for getting to the finals.
Really? Perhaps we were watching a different game. For the most part it looked like they didn't care much for Ronaldo becaue they knew he's pretty much impotent as a striker in this tournament. He wastes so many good opportunities it's unbelievable. His dribbling and passing is top notch (still not close to Zinedine Zidane, but he's getting there), I'll give him that, but I would never put him in advanced forward position because he seems to have 0 finesse when striking. All he seems to be doing is shoot at the goal as strong as he can and pray for the best. Incidentally Benzema was clearly experiencing the same problem as Ronaldo in France, there was no one he could play dinky balls with or intricate passes, so he tried to go it alone and was forced to play one dimensionally. When you watch Ozil, Benzema and Ronaldo link up in RM then you will realise what Ronaldo is missing in Portugal!!!
One of the most overrated players in my opinion, at least as a striker. He should play in the midfield, where his skills could be put to more use. Sure, he would get less chances to score but I believe that overall team performance would improve.
If you need examples just look at Roberto Carlos, who scored more goals than many strikers (in a striker-heavy teams no less) and he was playing on the defence. You don't really need a very good dribbler as your advanced forward, who you need there is a guy who knows the right place to be at the right time and can put the ball in the goal regardless of position, facing, number of defenders etc. (vide: Henrik Larsson).
Long story short: Dribbling and passing are skills best used in the midfield. Advanced forward usually only needs to touch the ball once, he just needs to make sure this one touch counts (and CR seems incapable of doing that). Conclusion: CR is playing on wrong position and is a showman with delusions of grandeur which doesn't even match his performance.
Ronaldo easily equals Zidane in his usefulness to RM, and they are on the same level in terms of what they can offer to their team at national level, it's just that in the France teams Zidane played with, the level was INSANELY higher than Portugal.
Theres no point in arguing with people over soccer, let alone on the internet, because no one changes their minds about it.
That said the one single paragraph made me laugh the hardest. Zidane and ronaldo have nothing in common, Zidane is dominant species to ronaldo and a ton of other mediocre overhyped soccer players. There is no comparison between the two as Zidane carried teams and did EVERYTHING you would want a playmaker to do and more, cronaldo can't support his own weight over half the time and falls over. he needs a playmaker to work for him in order to get goal O_O
The fact zidane smokes makes it even more impressive in a black kind of way
Are you French or something? CR7 is not the same position player as Zidane, but they are extremely similar in terms of how useful they are/were. The effect they can/could have on games is pretty much the same, when they are/were in good form. I think Zidane was the best in the world in his day but I'd happily compare Ronaldo or Messi to him. Ronaldo is basically a perfect winger - fast, ball skills, great touch, amazing crossing, both-footed, unbelievable distance shooter, calm finisher, great acceleration, great football brain, amazing free kicks, amazing penalties, strength, great headers and jumping, insane stamina. He can be accused of not tracking back enough but that's not imo too bad from an attacking winger.
Zidane was the perfect playmaking attacking midfielder - great skills, great touch, perfect passing, great finishing, etc, but if you think the overall quality of the Portugal team during CR7's era was even remotely equal to the French team in 1998 etc, you are just plain wrong.
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
On June 27 2012 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:51 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
On June 27 2012 19:40 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 18:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 18:43 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:51 Pandemona wrote:
On June 27 2012 17:22 keioh wrote: Oh and for a prediction : Ronaldo will play like a moron because it's Spain so he'll touch 2 balls in 75 min and thus Portugal will look like "Chelsea". 1-0 for Spain after another boring match.
PLEASE MAKE ME WRONG PORTUGAL
All Ronaldo will need is 2 touches if he gets one on one with Arbeloa dude xD I mean, that is the miss match of the century! And we know the wingers for Spain will be no where to be seen tracking back, so an isolated Arbeloa vs Ronaldo is going to be a joy to watch for Portugal fans and the neutrals lol.
Why the hell would you think a team as defensive as Spain is ever going to let Ronaldo be 1 vs 1 with anybody?
Ronaldo rarely goes past players anymore anyway, he just scores goals and lots of them. He's gone from the next Garrincha from his Sporting/early United days to the next Van Basten. Ronaldo also tends to be a huge big game bottler especially with Portugal so I expect him to do little.
Hmm? Did you not see him vs Barcelona this season? Was awesome in that game. And did you also not hear Alonso in press conference? He said they are not even making any special plans for Ronaldo, they will study his play but not do anything special marking wise. So to me that says, they are just going to make sure Portugal don't get the football. But they will, and Ronaldo will be 1 on 1 with Arbeloa quite easily. Only reason Barca do well vs him is because Alves' pace matches Ronaldo's
I cannot for the life of me understand why on earth you would equate a very offensive team like Barcelona with the way this Spanish team play, have you actually watched Spain and Barcelona play? Not to mention that even by this mindless logic Ronaldo has about a 10% rate of playing well vs Barcelona, he is usually awful vs Barcelona.
You are also taking the words of managers pre match on face value. I really do wonder if this is the first tournament you've ever watched football.
I pretty much can't remember a single occasion this entire tournament or in the World Cup 2010 where any player for any team got themselves in a 1 vs 1 situation with a Spanish defender, and you honestly believe that the one guy they will give that space to is Cristiano Ronaldo? Absolute madness.
Balotelli 1v1 Ramos, skinned him alive....missed a 1on1 from it, probably miss of tournament....theres one. I have watched to much football, i have watched every international tournament since 98 world cup, when i was 8. You just have your vision of what is what and don't allow for anyone elses' opinion that is fine, i understand where your logic is coming from but you clearly didnt watch a galatico this season if you think Ronaldo "didn't do anything" in those matches. he won the copa del rey final vs them in 2010 and in 2011-12 season when they finally beat them in the league for the first time in like 2/3 seasons it was Ronaldo who rounded valdes with a stunning finish. Barcelona are Spain minus Spain doesn't have the Messi, if they had a Messi they would walk every competition they play, but they don't hense the teams like Switzerland Portugal England have all beaten them in the past 2 years. Lets just see what happens before you respond and criticise everything i have just wrote please! After the game, if it goes the way your expecting it too and Ronaldo does nothing feel free to quote me as much as you like
Oh Pandemona parhaps now you'll learn that football isn't played by reading names from a computer screen. Just like I predicted Portugal were completely toothless and didn't even manage a shot on target all game.
Another great defensive display for Spain, Del Bosque should have gone with Llorente instead of Negredo who was awful.
He was absolutely right and Ronaldo bossed that game just as much as any of the quality Spanish players. CR7 was just unfortunate in the finish. Xavi was finding little success and Iniesta was thwarted just as much as CR7 was. The Spanish attacks in the end were substantial but Portugal deserved to be 1-0 before extra time.
I didn't make a single prediction about Spain being amazing going forward and creating countless chances.
I purely said Portugal would not be able to score past this Spain team which they weren't.
Yeah but the only reason Spain didn't concede was pure luck, pure luck that Ronaldo wasn't having a good day. They deserved to concede and they were beaten a few times.
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