EPTOn June 28 2012 12:15 ShowTheLights wrote:
How is Torres bad?
How is Torres bad?
Obligatory :p. Theres a top 5 somewhere there if you cba to look..
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
Obligatory :p. Theres a top 5 somewhere there if you cba to look.. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1710 Posts
 okaayyy, bad moment. but hes looked pretty good at the Euro Cup... scored 2 goals vs Ireland (yes i know its Ireland)Spain looked balanced with Torres, they look completely flat without any fucking strikers. Its boring and eventually they're gonna lose b.c. they wont score GOALS | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 28 2012 12:28 ShowTheLights wrote: okaayyy, bad moment. but hes looked pretty good at the Euro Cup... scored 2 goals vs Ireland (yes i know its Ireland)Spain looked balanced with Torres, they look completely flat without any fucking strikers. Its boring and eventually they're gonna lose b.c. they wont score GOALS On June 28 2012 10:52 don_kyuhote wrote: Wow, Spain's clean sheet streak in knockout stage of major tournament is now up to 9. Beast! EURO 2008 vs ITA 0-0 EURO 2008 vs RUS 3-0 EURO 2008 vs GER 1-0 WC 2010 vs POR 1-0 WC 2010 vs PAR 1-0 WC 2010 vs GER 1-0 WC 2010 vs NED 1-0 EURO 2012 vs FRA 2-0 EURO 2012 vs POR 0-0 Doesnt seem like the score too many with strikers either. But yes they do miss a striker. His name is Soldado. Torress unfortunately hasnt proved to be the answer. The Ireland game was setup for him to hit some form and he scored some goals but obviously his play didnt invoke enough confidence to get a start. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1710 Posts
Spain is really missing David Villa. Was a good striker. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On June 28 2012 13:04 Rebs wrote: Doesnt seem like the score too many with strikers either. But yes they do miss a striker. His name is Soldado. Torress unfortunately hasnt proved to be the answer. The Ireland game was setup for him to hit some form and he scored some goals but obviously his play didnt invoke enough confidence to get a start. Even as a Chelsea fan I can't disagree. Soldado or Llorente seem obvious choices for Spain. You can't rely on Fabregas, Nevas or Alba to be able to deal with one-on-ones and shoulder the pressure. Del Bosque really hopes that he has new Iniestas and Xavis coming through but really I doubt it, I think Spain will fall in the rankings once they are gone. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Anyway, loved watching CristinaR say "so unfair, so unfair..." at the end of the penalties :D GG NO RE | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6272 Posts
On June 28 2012 16:49 Maenander wrote: It doesn't matter which striker would have played in Negredo's stead, he most likely wouldn't have scored. Negredo received the ball on only 16 occasions, most of the times in unfavorable positions, which was the fault of his teammates and the Spanish tactics. Exactly I don't think most people understand how dependant forwards are of the balls they receive. Just look at that huge opportunity ronaldo blew it was more because meireles played the ball behind him which kills the speed and the options you have considerably. Gz to Spain 3 finals in a row is really impressive! | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On June 28 2012 16:48 Salteador Neo wrote: Wow so much hate for Spain in this thread. Being the back to back champions makes that I guess. If you knew how the politics work here lol xD Maybe its because their fans say things like 'Back to back champions" when the final hasn't even been played yet? | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On June 28 2012 17:38 Stimp wrote: Maybe its because their fans say things like 'Back to back champions" when the final hasn't even been played yet? I meant champions in the last two championships. Like in a row. Maybe it's not the right way to say it  Oh well. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
Even fewer scoring opportunities than many of the previous games. Spain's strategy against Portugal: Foul Ronaldo when he has the ball, then foul Ronaldo when he doesn't have the ball lol. Anyways, congratulation to Spain for getting to the finals. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
It wasn't a pretty game in terms of goals or scoring oportunities but it was a great game of tactics and personality.. really intense! anyways when you lose in penaltys you can't be really pissed(unless you are the UK) gg yo we remain the smallest strongest team of the world... ;D | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17740 Posts
On June 28 2012 18:16 [X]Ken_D wrote: One of the most disappointing Eurocup games Even fewer scoring opportunities than many of the previous games. Spain's strategy against Portugal: Foul Ronaldo when he has the ball, then foul Ronaldo when he doesn't have the ball lol. Anyways, congratulation to Spain for getting to the finals. Really? Perhaps we were watching a different game. For the most part it looked like they didn't care much for Ronaldo becaue they knew he's pretty much impotent as a striker in this tournament. He wastes so many good opportunities it's unbelievable. His dribbling and passing is top notch (still not close to Zinedine Zidane, but he's getting there), I'll give him that, but I would never put him in advanced forward position because he seems to have 0 finesse when striking. All he seems to be doing is shoot at the goal as strong as he can and pray for the best. One of the most overrated players in my opinion, at least as a striker. He should play in the midfield, where his skills could be put to more use. Sure, he would get less chances to score but I believe that overall team performance would improve. If you need examples just look at Roberto Carlos, who scored more goals than many strikers (in a striker-heavy teams no less) and he was playing on the defence. You don't really need a very good dribbler as your advanced forward, who you need there is a guy who knows the right place to be at the right time and can put the ball in the goal regardless of position, facing, number of defenders etc. (vide: Henrik Larsson). Long story short: Dribbling and passing are skills best used in the midfield. Advanced forward usually only needs to touch the ball once, he just needs to make sure this one touch counts (and CR seems incapable of doing that). Conclusion: CR is playing on wrong position and is a showman with delusions of grandeur which doesn't even match his performance. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13076 Posts
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daSilvaz
809 Posts
On June 28 2012 19:10 Manit0u wrote: Really? Perhaps we were watching a different game. For the most part it looked like they didn't care much for Ronaldo becaue they knew he's pretty much impotent as a striker in this tournament. He wastes so many good opportunities it's unbelievable. His dribbling and passing is top notch (still not close to Zinedine Zidane, but he's getting there), I'll give him that, but I would never put him in advanced forward position because he seems to have 0 finesse when striking. All he seems to be doing is shoot at the goal as strong as he can and pray for the best. One of the most overrated players in my opinion, at least as a striker. He should play in the midfield, where his skills could be put to more use. Sure, he would get less chances to score but I believe that overall team performance would improve. If you need examples just look at Roberto Carlos, who scored more goals than many strikers (in a striker-heavy teams no less) and he was playing on the defence. You don't really need a very good dribbler as your advanced forward, who you need there is a guy who knows the right place to be at the right time and can put the ball in the goal regardless of position, facing, number of defenders etc. (vide: Henrik Larsson). Long story short: Dribbling and passing are skills best used in the midfield. Advanced forward usually only needs to touch the ball once, he just needs to make sure this one touch counts (and CR seems incapable of doing that). Conclusion: CR is playing on wrong position and is a showman with delusions of grandeur which doesn't even match his performance. You are correct but keep in mind that he is a winger not a striker, there's not much one can do when you have a rock with eyes up front, aka Almeida | ||
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alderamin
80 Posts
When Ronaldo went to Madrid at some point he thought he could do anything and that he should be the playmaker. That was very bad. He isn't a Pirlo or a Ozil. He is a winger. He isn't a true striker only. Didn't see where he wasted oppertunities today, except for putting himself last in the penalty shootout. Sounds indeed that when some people see an attack that should be seuccesful they can't see if the problem is Meireles passing the ball wrong or Ronaldo having the wrong first touch. Pretty funny stuff that happens during WC and Euros when everyone suddenly cares about this game lol. | ||
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warding
Portugal2395 Posts
I'll give him that, but I would never put him in advanced forward position because he seems to have 0 finesse when striking. All he seems to be doing is shoot at the goal as strong as he can and pray for the best. A guy who scored over 60 goals this season doesn't have finishing touch? Shooting at goal and praying for the best is what accounts for 146 goals in 144 matches at Real Madrid? I believe Ronaldo is more effective as a winger because at that position he has more freedom to create his own chances and move around the field, whereas it's easier to lock down strikers who are much more dependent on how the ball is delivered to them. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
On June 28 2012 21:50 warding wrote: A guy who scored over 60 goals this season doesn't have finishing touch? Shooting at goal and praying for the best is what accounts for 146 goals in 144 matches at Real Madrid? I believe Ronaldo is more effective as a winger because at that position he has more freedom to create his own chances and move around the field, whereas it's easier to lock down strikers who are much more dependent on how the ball is delivered to them. I admit, even though he has quality, his teammates in Real fed him many good passes, unlike today's portugal. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 28 2012 21:50 warding wrote: A guy who scored over 60 goals this season doesn't have finishing touch? Shooting at goal and praying for the best is what accounts for 146 goals in 144 matches at Real Madrid? I believe Ronaldo is more effective as a winger because at that position he has more freedom to create his own chances and move around the field, whereas it's easier to lock down strikers who are much more dependent on how the ball is delivered to them. Excatly, 2 good centre backs would shut Ronaldo down all game long. The way Ronaldo is effective is with his pace on counters picking the ball up deep or on the wing and running at players. He can't really do that as an out and out striker. | ||
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