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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
June 26 2012 04:41 GMT
#21
On June 26 2012 07:49 warding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 23:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really bad call predicting Spain to concede a goal. They haven't conceded in the knock out stages since 2006. Barely conceded in qualifying, have conceded one all tournament and barely conceded in 2010 as well. This tournament across 360 minutes of football they've let their opponents have two decent chances on goal. The chance Di Natale scored and the header Rakitic missed.

Portugal are extremely unlikely to score against Spain. Spain will win 1-0 with maybe an extra late goal once Portugal have to go for it.

Portugal will park the bus.



I see 5 conceded goals there.


Do you know who cares about friendlies? Absolutely nobody.
Stackz
Profile Joined November 2011
Portugal43 Posts
June 26 2012 05:16 GMT
#22
Saying that nani doesn't defend is the same thing as saying that you didn't see a game of Portugal this EURO.

Predict a 2-1 for Portugal and a 2-0 for Germany. But I like all of them ^^
Grubby fighting!!!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51589 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 07:00:55
June 26 2012 07:00 GMT
#23
Ronaldo and Nani are going to eat up Alba/Arbeloa on the wings.

Especially Arbeloa, shame Puyol got injured and Ramos can't play at RB.
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bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal864 Posts
June 26 2012 08:20 GMT
#24
On June 26 2012 13:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 07:49 warding wrote:
On June 25 2012 23:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really bad call predicting Spain to concede a goal. They haven't conceded in the knock out stages since 2006. Barely conceded in qualifying, have conceded one all tournament and barely conceded in 2010 as well. This tournament across 360 minutes of football they've let their opponents have two decent chances on goal. The chance Di Natale scored and the header Rakitic missed.

Portugal are extremely unlikely to score against Spain. Spain will win 1-0 with maybe an extra late goal once Portugal have to go for it.

Portugal will park the bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6_ldxKRM3c

I see 5 conceded goals there.


Do you know who cares about friendlies? Absolutely nobody.


A "friendly" between Portugal and Spain is never friendly.. You can't understand the rivalry that binds our two countries.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 26 2012 08:25 GMT
#25
On June 26 2012 17:20 bObaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 13:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 26 2012 07:49 warding wrote:
On June 25 2012 23:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really bad call predicting Spain to concede a goal. They haven't conceded in the knock out stages since 2006. Barely conceded in qualifying, have conceded one all tournament and barely conceded in 2010 as well. This tournament across 360 minutes of football they've let their opponents have two decent chances on goal. The chance Di Natale scored and the header Rakitic missed.

Portugal are extremely unlikely to score against Spain. Spain will win 1-0 with maybe an extra late goal once Portugal have to go for it.

Portugal will park the bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6_ldxKRM3c

I see 5 conceded goals there.


Do you know who cares about friendlies? Absolutely nobody.


A "friendly" between Portugal and Spain is never friendly.. You can't understand the rivalry that binds our two countries.


Yeah and the last friendly was a 4-0 Portuguese win right?
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Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
June 26 2012 09:07 GMT
#26
Germany - Italy will be a close match, I'm hoping for a 2-1 win.
Portugal - Spain is also going to be a 2-1, I'm just still not sure which side will score the two goals. Leaning a bit towards Portugal atm.
popzags
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland604 Posts
June 26 2012 09:29 GMT
#27
Both Italy and Portugal are massive underdogs in semis, and for a reason. Portugal has too predictable style: pass it to Ronaldo or Nani and hope they'll squeeze something out, or, if this doesn't work, constantly cross the ball into penalty area (they'll play Almeida as a striker against Spain, so I expect even more crosses), Italy is fairly weak on their right flank (Abate and Maggio so much worse than Balzaretti and Marchisio) so Alba, David Silva and Iniesta may have even easier time than against France. As for Germany - they play fantastic games one after another, but the problem is that in the final (99% chance that Germans will be there) Spain will take the ball and never give it back.

Basically, I'm betting Spain, the guys play together for 5-6 years, Alba seems to have settled already, Silva is even more dangerous, Iniesta kicks ass (best player on Earth right now, hands down). Casillas saves every time when defence fails. The final will probably be very boring though, so at least I look forward for a good game in Germany - Italy.

Spain - Portugal 1-0
Germany - Italy 3-1

Spain - Germany 1-0
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warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2395 Posts
June 26 2012 09:49 GMT
#28
On June 26 2012 13:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 07:49 warding wrote:
On June 25 2012 23:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really bad call predicting Spain to concede a goal. They haven't conceded in the knock out stages since 2006. Barely conceded in qualifying, have conceded one all tournament and barely conceded in 2010 as well. This tournament across 360 minutes of football they've let their opponents have two decent chances on goal. The chance Di Natale scored and the header Rakitic missed.

Portugal are extremely unlikely to score against Spain. Spain will win 1-0 with maybe an extra late goal once Portugal have to go for it.

Portugal will park the bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6_ldxKRM3c

I see 5 conceded goals there.


Do you know who cares about friendlies? Absolutely nobody.

A 5-0 humiliation is still a 5-0 humilitation.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
June 26 2012 09:58 GMT
#29
On June 25 2012 23:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really bad call predicting Spain to concede a goal. They haven't conceded in the knock out stages since 2006. Barely conceded in qualifying, have conceded one all tournament and barely conceded in 2010 as well. This tournament across 360 minutes of football they've let their opponents have two decent chances on goal. The chance Di Natale scored and the header Rakitic missed.

Portugal are extremely unlikely to score against Spain. Spain will win 1-0 with maybe an extra late goal once Portugal have to go for it.

Portugal will park the bus.


No, they conceded goals in 5 out of 8 games and the only team they didn't concede a goal to was fucking Lichtenstein. Among the nine group winners, only Netherlands conceded more goals per match than Spain.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37074 Posts
June 26 2012 10:39 GMT
#30

Quarterfainl Review


Fix that, and you're golden
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 10:47:14
June 26 2012 10:46 GMT
#31
On June 26 2012 19:39 SeeKeR wrote:
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Quarterfainl Review


Fix that, and you're golden


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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 26 2012 10:48 GMT
#32
On June 26 2012 18:49 warding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 13:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 26 2012 07:49 warding wrote:
On June 25 2012 23:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really bad call predicting Spain to concede a goal. They haven't conceded in the knock out stages since 2006. Barely conceded in qualifying, have conceded one all tournament and barely conceded in 2010 as well. This tournament across 360 minutes of football they've let their opponents have two decent chances on goal. The chance Di Natale scored and the header Rakitic missed.

Portugal are extremely unlikely to score against Spain. Spain will win 1-0 with maybe an extra late goal once Portugal have to go for it.

Portugal will park the bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6_ldxKRM3c

I see 5 conceded goals there.


Do you know who cares about friendlies? Absolutely nobody.

A 5-0 humiliation is still a 5-0 humilitation.

That's like saying Idra beat MVP on the ladder and saying he's thus the better player o_O Do you think spain tries in friendlies?
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mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 26 2012 10:57 GMT
#33
On June 26 2012 19:48 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 18:49 warding wrote:
On June 26 2012 13:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 26 2012 07:49 warding wrote:
On June 25 2012 23:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really bad call predicting Spain to concede a goal. They haven't conceded in the knock out stages since 2006. Barely conceded in qualifying, have conceded one all tournament and barely conceded in 2010 as well. This tournament across 360 minutes of football they've let their opponents have two decent chances on goal. The chance Di Natale scored and the header Rakitic missed.

Portugal are extremely unlikely to score against Spain. Spain will win 1-0 with maybe an extra late goal once Portugal have to go for it.

Portugal will park the bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6_ldxKRM3c

I see 5 conceded goals there.


Do you know who cares about friendlies? Absolutely nobody.

A 5-0 humiliation is still a 5-0 humilitation.

That's like saying Idra beat MVP on the ladder and saying he's thus the better player o_O Do you think spain tries in friendlies?

of course they don't they enjoy losing 4-0 to their biggest rival

look at those portuguese fools actually trying and being happy for winning a friendly, don't they know spain lost on purpose
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 26 2012 11:14 GMT
#34
Yes Spain do care about losing any game of football, any professional cares about losing any game in sport. It also effects rankings, so if Spain didn't care about any friendly games and played like they did vs Portugal they will lose their number 1 ranking pretty fast.
Also, England beat Spain too, did they try then?

Casillas
Arbeloa Pique Sergio Ramos Jordi Alba
Busquets Alonso Xavi
Iniesta Villa Silva

Was the team England beat as well look familar?
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warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2395 Posts
June 26 2012 11:16 GMT
#35
On June 26 2012 19:48 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 18:49 warding wrote:
On June 26 2012 13:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 26 2012 07:49 warding wrote:
On June 25 2012 23:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really bad call predicting Spain to concede a goal. They haven't conceded in the knock out stages since 2006. Barely conceded in qualifying, have conceded one all tournament and barely conceded in 2010 as well. This tournament across 360 minutes of football they've let their opponents have two decent chances on goal. The chance Di Natale scored and the header Rakitic missed.

Portugal are extremely unlikely to score against Spain. Spain will win 1-0 with maybe an extra late goal once Portugal have to go for it.

Portugal will park the bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6_ldxKRM3c

I see 5 conceded goals there.


Do you know who cares about friendlies? Absolutely nobody.

A 5-0 humiliation is still a 5-0 humilitation.

That's like saying Idra beat MVP on the ladder and saying he's thus the better player o_O Do you think spain tries in friendlies?

I wasn't saying Portugal is better than Spain (which it is in all possible matters), I was just saying that Portugal can actually score goals against the Spanish system.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9109 Posts
June 26 2012 11:24 GMT
#36
Nice write-up, wasn't able to see all the matches so the recap was helpful. Really looking forward to both these games!
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
June 26 2012 11:50 GMT
#37
On June 26 2012 20:16 warding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 19:48 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2012 18:49 warding wrote:
On June 26 2012 13:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 26 2012 07:49 warding wrote:
On June 25 2012 23:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really bad call predicting Spain to concede a goal. They haven't conceded in the knock out stages since 2006. Barely conceded in qualifying, have conceded one all tournament and barely conceded in 2010 as well. This tournament across 360 minutes of football they've let their opponents have two decent chances on goal. The chance Di Natale scored and the header Rakitic missed.

Portugal are extremely unlikely to score against Spain. Spain will win 1-0 with maybe an extra late goal once Portugal have to go for it.

Portugal will park the bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6_ldxKRM3c

I see 5 conceded goals there.


Do you know who cares about friendlies? Absolutely nobody.

A 5-0 humiliation is still a 5-0 humilitation.

That's like saying Idra beat MVP on the ladder and saying he's thus the better player o_O Do you think spain tries in friendlies?

I wasn't saying Portugal is better than Spain (which it is in all possible matters), I was just saying that Portugal can actually score goals against the Spanish system.


Blasphemer, portugal(or any other team for that matter) better than spain?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6272 Posts
June 26 2012 11:54 GMT
#38
On June 26 2012 20:50 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 20:16 warding wrote:
On June 26 2012 19:48 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2012 18:49 warding wrote:
On June 26 2012 13:41 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 26 2012 07:49 warding wrote:
On June 25 2012 23:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really bad call predicting Spain to concede a goal. They haven't conceded in the knock out stages since 2006. Barely conceded in qualifying, have conceded one all tournament and barely conceded in 2010 as well. This tournament across 360 minutes of football they've let their opponents have two decent chances on goal. The chance Di Natale scored and the header Rakitic missed.

Portugal are extremely unlikely to score against Spain. Spain will win 1-0 with maybe an extra late goal once Portugal have to go for it.

Portugal will park the bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6_ldxKRM3c

I see 5 conceded goals there.


Do you know who cares about friendlies? Absolutely nobody.

A 5-0 humiliation is still a 5-0 humilitation.

That's like saying Idra beat MVP on the ladder and saying he's thus the better player o_O Do you think spain tries in friendlies?

I wasn't saying Portugal is better than Spain (which it is in all possible matters), I was just saying that Portugal can actually score goals against the Spanish system.


Blasphemer, portugal(or any other team for that matter) better than spain?


You know when someone is massively biased if he says any team other than germany is even close to Spain..
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 11:59:56
June 26 2012 11:57 GMT
#39
On June 25 2012 18:21 Pandemona wrote:
The fifth penalties now. And up steps Diamanti the “west ham reject” as quoted by the English commentator, how that would come to kick us the nuts! He would step up and coolly send Hart the wrong way. 4-2 Italy


Hehe, this "kick us the nuts" reference is so fitting, considering:

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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 26 2012 11:58 GMT
#40
He didn't say they were better, he just said they were set up to be able to score past the Spanish system. He hasn't even said they would win xD
He is right anyway, the way to beat Spain (like the way you beat Barcelona) is to /defend and /counter with pace. Nani and Ronaldo have the pace, and they have an ok back 3 (if u discount Periera ) Chelsea beat Barca the same way with Ramires Drogba Mata counter attacking. Russia posed a mini threat at one stage to Spain doing the same as well.
Also don't forget, this is a Semi Final, there wont be many goals in either game.
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