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[TSL] Ro16 Week 1 Preview
April 9th, 2011 03:38 GMT
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By Xxio and tree.hugger
The TSL was once one of the easiest tournaments to predict. The mix of TL Open qualifiers and Korean super-stars had thousands filling their brackets with Tae Kuk symbols and leaving little hope for the underdog. As we all learned, these were ill-fated decisions. Thorzain was the first to disrupt the age-old hierarchy of Korean dominance. His crushing victory gave cause to hope that the TSL would stay multinational. A week after, Adelscott toppled the giant MVP. Thirteen days later and on the cusp of the round of 16, three Koreans remain.
The upsets that happened are what TSL 3 will be remembered for in the months and years to come. This is not, however, the whole story. While a few underdogs braved their way into the round of 16, many were not so fortunate. Feared StarCraft veterans Tyler, MC, and White-Ra lived up to their names with some of the tournament's most convincing wins and the StarCraft 1 Bonjwa Lee Yoon Yeol clutched out a win over TLO. In the round of 16 we will see whether the upsets in the opening round were ripples in the water, or the stirrings of something greater.
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Tyler's PvT is scary. He dismantled Strelok in the round of 32 and before that, beat Jinro in the PAX East Team Liquid Showmatch Series. One of the reasons for his success is that, in this matchup, it is hard to pin down Tyler's style of play. Equally capable of turtling his way to the lategame or putting on the heat with his first stalker, it is tough to predict what Tyler will bring to the table. For Thorzain, it's a bit of the opposite. In his TL Open #12 final games against Adelscott, and even at DreamHack in 2010, Thorzain consistently favoured to stay defensive on two bases while using drops to deal damage and poke at his opponent. If threatened by a one base build, he is happy to bunker up until his 2nd base kicks in, then counterattack. Thorzain relies heavily on harassment to keep the Protoss cooped up. I do not think this will work well against Tyler, who puts so much emphasis on multitasking and is certainly not a victim of 1 control group syndrome.
Bracket Contest: Tyler did not have the best showing at MLG Dallas but keep in mind that he only played 3 PvTs, two of which he lost to teammate TLO. I would not predict his TSL Ro16 performance based on this past weekend. The one thing about Tyler's play that worries me is that he can sometimes over commit to an attack and kill himself – as he did against TLO at Dallas and nearly did against Strelok in game 2 of the round of 32. Thorzain is practised in his harassment and has very offsetting builds that transition to mass thor, mech play, but I think unless he changes things up, he will be too predictable. Tyler will take it 3-1
Liquibet Stat: Tyler: 7495, Thorzain: 1912. </div>
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This might be the most anticipated matchup of the whole month. After White-Ra's astounding, godlike win over MC in GSL's World Championship Team League, I think everyone has been waiting for April 9th to see the rematch. Most Protoss would agree that PvP is the most frustrating matchup to play, and I admit, it can get dull for the spectator. Some would even call it a coin flip matchup. The next time you hear this, look at MC's beast, 12-4 record in 2011. Absolutely ridiculous. It goes to show how precise control and lean build orders can consistently win even in PvP. In terms of control, White-Ra showed the world that he is second to none. I'm expecting the micro wars between MC and White-Ra to become the stuff of legend. However, when it comes to builds I do worry. White-Ra may have his sleeves stuffed with special tactics but doubts rise as to whether he can grind out 3 wins against MC's intensely refined build orders. White-Ra may be able to surprise MC in one or two games with warp prisms, but 3 games is pushing it.
Bracket Contest: I don't think that White-Ra's win in the World Championship Team League was a fluke. He is going to make MC earn what victories he gets. Each game is going to show the best of both players and to be honest, I have no idea how things will turn out. I can't wait.
Liquibet Stat: MC: 5667, White-Ra: 3775. </div>
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Although he's suffered hiccups lately, IMmvp is still one of the strongest terrans in the world. However, he should have a challenge here from MvP.Genius, who plays protoss.
Wait a minute, what's that you say? Adelscott 2-0'd mvp? QXC 2-0'd Genius?
Wait what?
In the match-up that nobody expected, QXC and Adelscott will be going head to head here to keep their improbable TSL dream alive. There's a lot to love about this match. In particular, both players debuted unique styles in PvT against their Korean opponents. Adelscott's gateway heavy wrecking ball took mvp by surprise, but it will need to withstand the scrutiny that comes with success if the Frenchman is to continue on to the Round of eight. Similarly, QXC's adventurous late-game toolbox of nuke/reaper kept Genius off balance and gunshy in the second game of their series. But Adelscott should be less blindsided by the terran guerrilla warfare.
Curiously, I'd expect this match to be notable for what it doesn't include than what it does. Adelscott's gateway play is his staple, but I expect more variety of play than he showed against the wide-eyed mvp, whether that be normal colossi play or a quick all-in. Similarly, QXC will be hard pressed to spend time on late-game shenanigans unless the game slows down into it's really late stages.
Bracket Contest: In their TLOpen qualifying runs QXC and Adelscott actually played once, a Ro32 match-up that Adelscott won en route to his second place finish. However he struggled against ThorZaIN in the finals of that tournament, and is actually quite inconsistent in the match-up. In QXC's TLOpen win however, he demolished a tricky style from ZeeraX to qualify for the TSL. Overall, his TvP has been his strongest match-up statistically. These two series and stats are instructive. Overall, QXC simply has a stronger track record in this match-up, and has a solid and safe style that will serve him well against Adelscott's unwieldy play. The key to this match-up is whether or not QXC can be patient and diligent in scouting Adel's timings. If he's in form, he should be up to the task. QXC 3-1.
Liquibet Stat: Qxc: 4453, Adelscott: 4930. </div>
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Capping off the weekend is one of the best TvT match-ups that could've been hoped for. After a fantastic TvT series against TLO, NaDa will be challenged in a completely different way against Kas, who is coming off a narrow escape against HayprO. Which of the two Liquid' killers will advance promises to be one of the hottest tickets of the Round of 16.
It's hard to call a favorite here. Kas has been consistently the best European terran for a long time. Strong mechanically and versatile in many styles, Kas is a punishing opponent. Every time Kas loses it's like seeing Bisu lose his scouting probe; you just don't believe how it could happen. But NaDa is goddamn NaDa, and his TvT has been his most prominent match-up in Sc2 to date, even if it hasn't been his best statistically. His performance against TLO was pitch perfect, and he should be more comfortable with external factors like server lag this time around.
Bracket Contest: This is an exceedingly tough match to call (aren't they all though?) but I favor Kas, if ever so slightly. To remain among Europe's elite as nearly everyone else has risen and fallen weekly is a stunning feat. Kas always seems to be a little overlooked, but when you seem him play it's impossible to ignore all of his winning. Not only can he compete with NaDa on even terms, but he should have an advantage in perparation that will carry him to victory. Kas 3-2.
Liquibet Stat: NaDa: 7176, Kas: 2252. </div>
<font size=5> Cheerfuls !</font>
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yeah cannot wait for 2morrow
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Haha thats freaken funny nice nice cant wait =D
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man thats goin tobe sick good
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love the white-ra poster man we will have an epic weekend, and this matchup between MC and white-ra will show ppl how it takes a lot of skill to PvP
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I hope i can watch this
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those pics are full of pure hype!
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I'm surprised the Liquibet was so heavily in favor of Nada over Kas. I voted for Nada, too, but I wouldn't consider it an upset if Kas won. He's been showing really great play recently. I'm also surprised qxc isn't more of a favorite again Adelscott.
Really excited for the games, especially for Tyler to show me some new strats for PvT!
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Hype! White-Ra, pull it off and you are forever a rockstar 
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oui oui! 
I am so hyped for WhiteLoad.Ra vs. MC. This is going to be epic!
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Some damn good cheerfuls. They do the games credit, there's some very exciting ones this weekend
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Can't wait. After my "phenomenal success" predicting the outcome of the previous days of the TSL3 (*cough cough*) I've decided to go with the general swing of things and just click randomly to see where that gets me ^^ Personal favourite of the day are MC vs. WhiteRa and NaDa vs. Kas.
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lol at the white ra 007 mock up. Exciting games these first two days, cant wait. I'm picking Adelscott over QXC though
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lol the whitera cheerful is awesome XD
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NaDa is so hot right now.
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Can't wait :D.
are there going to be no interviews this week?
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On April 09 2011 13:11 Santi wrote: NaDa is so hot right now. Truer words have never been spoken.
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Liquibet Stat: NaDa: 7176, Kas: 2252. lolwut? kas gonna 2-0'ed nada. U will see.
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gogo kas, Whitera !!!! so hyped for this >:
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Messed up my entire sleep pattern to watch this, ladder all night then TSL, that's the life.
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Special tactics!
Hoping for Tyler, Ra, qxc, and NaDa.
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Nada vs Kas is going to be such a good game! Too bad MC kinda gave away some results in in GSL WC Team League.. :\ Still really looking forward to it!!
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Yay for the Z matches!!!!
Oh wait....
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nada, white-ra, qxc, tyler hwaiting!
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On April 09 2011 13:42 Dante.Lass wrote: Yay for the Z matches!!!!
Oh wait....
No Z very sad...love the MC cheerful!
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So excited! This is by far the best tournament that I have watched in all of Starcraft!
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Go Kas, qxc, ThorZain + Whitera!
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please internet dont fail to me again... this weekend is going to be awesome!!!
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lol @ the portraits showing 2 koreans, 2 Americans and no European shame on you
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No interest in watching any of these games, without zergs the tournament is going to be the same typical shit and boring to watch. PvT match up isn't fun to watch, MC v Whitera should be good though
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QXC FIGHTING!!!!!!! Hope White Ra wins
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Why is Tyler drawn to look like a serial killer?
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How does qxc sit on a folding chair like that? @_@
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On April 09 2011 12:38 Xxio wrote: White-Ra may have his sleeves stuffed with special tactics rofl.
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No way QXC is gonna beat Adel.
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White.Ra. + MC. Nuff said. This will be epic!!
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how come when you click on empirekas's name, it links to you white_ra's profile? lol
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Can't wait to see what Tyler has planned.
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Cmon guys, Thorzain convincingly demolished Fruitdealer, and that was a tvz, Thorzain is probably the only pro terran atm that says tvp is his best Match up, I may end up eating my words, but.... THORZAIN HWAITING!
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I've never been so excited to watch mirror match ups. Especially Protoss.
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On April 09 2011 13:21 HQuality wrote: Liquibet Stat: NaDa: 7176, Kas: 2252. lolwut? kas gonna 2-0'ed nada. U will see. Agreed. Nada, like most famous BW players is heavily overestimated by the TL community.
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Canada820 Posts
But NaDa is The goddamn NaDa, and his TvT has been his most prominent match-up in Sc2 to date, even if it hasn't been his best statistically.
fix'd 
every match this weekend is buckets of epic!
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Wow, this matchups are so sick. I just can´t wait for them to happen. Especialy White-Ra vs. MC
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I really hope we see some special tactics from WhiteRa that win it for him... but I just can't see MC losing a bo5 PvP when they will both be playing in Korea... While no one questions WhiteRa being an amazing player... I really think that him winning would be the biggest upset of the tournament. Hopefully it happens though! Go WhiteRa!
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no cheerful for Kas? :< poor Kas
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Nerd boners on my face. Can't wait for the games!
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Holy crap this will be awesome. A bit suprised Nada is favoured over Kas by heaps of ppl. I think it is just because they want Nada to win. Tbh, he hasn't been performing brilliantly in Sc2, and Kas has been doing quite well, so I think Kas should take this 3-1 or 3-2. Tyler and Duckload fighting!!!!
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On April 09 2011 13:21 HQuality wrote: Liquibet Stat: NaDa: 7176, Kas: 2252. lolwut? kas gonna 2-0'ed nada. U will see.
I doubt it, since it's a Bo5  I'm thinking Kas might take a game or two here, and I hope he manages to squeeze out a victory.
And I feel bad about not cheering for my countryman, but I hope Tyler takes this. Chilltoss fighting!
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Is no problem, I use special tactics. Man I hope Ra beats MC, he's such a baller.
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Has anyone seen top 200 europeans play tvt? Shit is ridiculous. Having said that, Nada is also ridiculous. I am hoping for a close series, and I doubt a 3-0 from either side is possible, but gotta give it to Nada.
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On April 09 2011 15:02 tnt_titan wrote: how come when you click on empirekas's name, it links to you white_ra's profile? lol
White-ra everywhere joke at its best.
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Kas nr1 Terran in Europe, says a lot when almost everyone in EU is fucking Terran, Nada gonna get slaughtered 3 - 1.
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I especially like bringing current liquibet stats into the hype/preview thread. Can't wait for these games!
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Thanks for the write up! Hopefully MC and NaDa can make it through!
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On April 09 2011 13:21 HQuality wrote: Liquibet Stat: NaDa: 7176, Kas: 2252. lolwut? kas gonna 2-0'ed nada. U will see. His strength is such that he does not need to even play game three in a best of five!
That Nada cheerful is epic. This is going to be epic x3 I have my curry and ben and jerry's read :D
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United Kingdom38156 Posts
I've still not been overly impressed by Tyler, but I'll probably back him since it's a PvT and regardless of Thorzain apparently liking it, toss players have really got a lot of things figured out very nicely of late. Couple that with Tyler excelling in matches he can prepare for and I think he'll have what it takes, even if the amount of source material on Thorzain's recent TvP is limited.
MC should beat WhiteRa, he's just flat out better. It's PvP though so who knows, a couple of build order wins can easily happen for either player. Very happy that has been played on the Korean server though since PvP really suffers from latency.
QXC is going to destroy Adelscott if he's done even the slightest bit of prep. He loves harass, and he's fantastic at doing it. On the other hand Adel's mechanics past mid game are weak and he really seems to struggle with multitasking, I fully expect QXC to drop the shit out of him and get a massive lead while Adel falls apart.
Kas vs Nada is the hardest match to call because of all the unknowns; how will the latency affect things (it's not exactly good from the Ukraine either), has Nada put in much practice recently, does either player know much about their opponents stylistic preferences etc etc. Kas is probably the best Terran in Europe right now and he's rock solid in everything he does, but if Nada has been practicing I do think he'll edge this.
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thorzain, i think easily but we will see. white ra!!! hopfeully but will be hard. kas, despite <3 nada the ukraine star will take it, espcially since this is tvt adelscott, this is the closest match thought..but i like this style.
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Gogo Tyler! We can't see every liquid player out of the liquid tournament in the Ro16!
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omg the Adelscott cheerful made me laugh so hard. Can't wait for today's games, if MC vs White-Ra can't make PvP interesting I don't know what can.
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On April 09 2011 19:18 Asha` wrote: MC should beat WhiteRa, he's just flat out better. It's PvP though so who knows, a couple of build order wins can easily happen for either player. Very happy that has been played on the Korean server though since PvP really suffers from latency.
I don't know. Seeing WhiteRa vs MC in the World vs Korea, WhiteRa definetely looked solid and made MC look shaky. Bar MC's lone Stalker awesomeness, he didn't look better than WhiteRa at any point in the match. I reckon MC will also have a hard time figuring out WhiteRa's Warp Prism style, as there are few players capable of fighting - and winning - with Warp Prisms.
[/QUOTE]QXC is going to destroy Adelscott if he's done even the slightest bit of prep. He loves harass, and he's fantastic at doing it. On the other hand Adel's mechanics past mid game are weak and he really seems to struggle with multitasking, I fully expect QXC to drop the shit out of him and get a massive lead while Adel falls apart.[/QUOTE]
I disagree again here. Adel's multitasking looks solid to me, too, which is to be expected with his mass gate style. I think the mass gate style is one that T players will have to spend time figuring out, as it is very different and doesn't have any obvious weaknesses. QXC's style normally works very well against either FE or fast Colossus because both of those are innately weak to harassment, but Adel's mass gate is the opposite. QXC might have to play a long macro game without harassment, and will find that quite tricky.
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love the previews, it puts words on my thoughts, even though i think that Adel will win vs qxc, his style just favors him so much as qxc is the one who uses drops alot more and abuses immobility and gateway-units aren't immobile
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Thorzains TvP is insane! Perhaps best in Europe. I think he will be able to beat Tyler 3-0 or 3-1
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I think that Tyler will take it as long as he prepares. with prep, he will win rather convincingly but with out he will lose like 3-1
MC probably is going to take it vs whiteRa even though i really, really hope that he doesn't. this also comes down to preperations, if whiteRa is in his element and don't make any mistakes and have some builds prepared, i think he could very well take it, and i hope so, but if he makes some mistakes, MC will have a rather easy time.
qxc vs Adel - i'd say Adel is going to take it unless qxc have some prepared builds just for the style, something mech-oriented, because if Adel just has his multitasking a little bit going, his mobile gateway-army won't take any damage from qxc's harassment, the harassment is only good vs the immobile coloussous, etc.
and i'd say that nada will win if he goes for harasment and as goes for slow tank-pushing, but oterwise i'd give the win to kas
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I just can't wait for Adel's games!
Allez la France!
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Predictions: Thorzain > Tyler MC > White-Ra Adelscott > QXC Kas > Nada
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So many protoss :O Well, Thorzain is more than capable of beating them off, and will be nice to see MC crushed again by the old man :D Also, qxc vs adel will be sick, both of them play a very interesting style.
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I am so stoked for this. QXC fighting!
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I'm looking forward for all the good Zergs fighting! sigh
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Voting is pretty close on QXC-Adelscott despite the 3-1 prediction. I'm torn on who to cheer for. I guess I wont find out until the match.
Other then that. Go Tyler =D
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lol'd hard at the Thorzain picture and the white-ra special tactics haha
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ill always follow my heart in liquibets from now on, maybe if enough people wish it, it will come true.
didnt know it was BO5 had to edit my predictions
Tyler 3:0 Thorzain White Ra 3:1 MC QXC 3:1 Adelscott Nada 3:2 Kas
There will always be special tactics, GO GO GO GO White Ra
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On April 10 2011 00:19 Sanjuro wrote: ill always follow my heart in liquibets from now on, maybe if enough people wish it, it will come true.
Tyler 2:0 Thorzain White Ra 2:1 MC QXC 2:1 Adelscott Nada 2:1 Kas
There will always be special tactics, GO GO GO GO White Ra
Im from Ukraine but i still think its 2-1 MC-RA and 2-1 or 2-0 Adelscott QXC
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Nice writeup  looking forward to see tyler and whiteRa in action :D
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For the people doing predictions: it's BO5 in this round, guys, not BO3.
My WhiteRa vs. MC prediction: We all are struck blind by overexposure to pure awesomeness.
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Game if this week is definitely MC vs White-RA
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lmao at "adventurous late game toolbox"
no idea why that cracked me up but it was hilarious. That reaper Nuke shenanigans against Genius was so awesome to watch.
Here's hoping for special tactics!
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Some serious overhyping of Tyler, I expect a simply sensational, dominant performance from him, haven't seen anything to justify the hype he gets, so I expect to be impressed today.
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really nice! i don t like mirrors, but MC vs WhiteRA & Nada vs Kas, i gotta like it ^^
hope the europeans can take out one of the remaining koreans, i ll hold my thumbs for both but i give Kas better chances then WhiteRA
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United States17042 Posts
gotta love nada. Comon, I believe
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My predictions: MC 3-0 Ra ( unfortunately) Nada 3-2 Kas
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Adellscott fighting with baguettes.... lol
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On April 09 2011 13:21 HQuality wrote: Liquibet Stat: NaDa: 7176, Kas: 2252. lolwut? kas gonna 2-0'ed nada. U will see.
Not sure if he'll sweep it but he'll give one heck of a fight!!
WhiteRa vs MC!! SO HYPED!! :DDD
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Just saying that the first post doesn't say at all that the 2 last games are on sunday. It's on the liquipedia but it took some time to find. And when looking on the liquipedia it looks like Sen vs. BoxeR and MorroW vs. HasuObs is today.
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
lol at those pictures haha
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Woo it's almost time.
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Mc's strength is in his micro and build orders. I haven't been to impressed with his managment games. However its PvP, which plays more to MC's strength so I definitely think he'll come out ahead
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White-Ra will deploy his special taktiks and win 3-2 ; )
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tyler fighting, stayin up till 4am australian time just to watch him =D
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MC vs White ra is going to be so sick, I am going to try and order the pizza so it is at my door exactly when game 1 between MC and White ra starts .
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Even if I cheer for White.Ra i guess a BO5 works in MC's favour, because four-gate wins about 60 to 70 % of PvP's. (Just the impression I have)
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I'm glad TSL is at 8 pm in my timezone and not in the early morning  Can't wait! MC fighting!
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build up video in the stream was epic!
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You guys do realise it's a BO5 today right?
Haha.
2:0 doesn't win anything!!
Ro16 matches are Best-of-5 Series
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Great posters :D I'm a little sad there aren't any zergs playing this week
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story behind that QXC picture with the chair? =)
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Wish writers were a little less biased towards NA players.
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Does anyone know if Hype posters was done for Ro16 days?
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Missed it taking ACT OES NOESE.
Time to run over to youtube for the VODs, I'm sure they are all excellent games.
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I cannot see Kas losing to Nada.
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Both of my picks lost today =(
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WhiteRa poster is brilliant  And thanks for the quick vods.
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On April 10 2011 00:46 AxionSteel wrote: Some serious overhyping of Tyler, I expect a simply sensational, dominant performance from him, haven't seen anything to justify the hype he gets, so I expect to be impressed today.
I was expecting the same, still haven't seen anything in sc2 to justify his hype. Sure, he was good at BW but seriously, how long are people gonna keep hyping him? Especially with his lackluster performances again and again.
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Oh wow, it's gonna be awesome. Nice read!
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i hope today will be better then yesterdays games..
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Netherlands15103 Posts
On April 10 2011 21:37 zMass wrote: i hope today will be better then yesterdays games.. 100%
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Kas is going to smash NaDa. Korea? What's that? haha
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when strats? where i can see stream?
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Oh my but the ThorZain cheerful is just brilliant! Anywho, in spite of all the madmen turned prophets this TSL predicting the downfall of top koreans, I say Nada will 3-1 Kas.
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Qxc 3:2 Adel Kas 3:0 Nada
Kas is a beast!
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Nada 3-0 ezpz. Kas is lucky that he isn't in the same room as him- Nada's body would paralyze him.
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Hahaha :D White-Ra's pictures was AWESOME
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Hahaha :D White-Ra's pictures was AWESOME
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i love tsl so much,cant wait for qxc vs adelscott i want see some cool action by qxc,and im sure we will see that^^
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ahh I was scared for MC 'cause John translated that MC lost to a foreigner in the TSL .... (which would be WhiteRa) but he was "actually" talking about the FXOpen ...
MC fighting ! and there should be less MC haters from now on, 'cause he only 4 gated once xD
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nice cheerfuls in the OP
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Cheerfuls were awesome.
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Qxc 2:3 Adel Kas 3:1 Nada
Kas and Adel <3
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On April 11 2011 03:09 m3o wrote: Qxc 2:3 Adel Kas 3:1 Nada
Kas and Adel <3
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4 Terran 4 Protoss 0 Zerg
I was wondering why I was dizzy but then I realized it must be because of all the imbalance.
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Yess Adel! Would be sick as hell if a French player won TSL!
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I want NaDa to win, but i have a strong feeling Kas is gonna eat him like a delicious snack. Q_Q
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Nada didn't practice much recently, is that right?
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On April 11 2011 21:25 Sansucal wrote: Nada didn't practice much recently, is that right?
even so. the only player left in the TSL that i would put my money on against kas is MC. and even then i think i still might be nervous.
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We require more interviews.
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On April 11 2011 05:50 Khosa wrote: 4 Terran 4 Protoss 0 Zerg
I was wondering why I was dizzy but then I realized it must be because of all the imbalance.
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=/ I think it's mostly agreed that Zerg is pretty overpowered to the point where Zerg has an slight edge against P/fairly balanced. (Somewhat offset by the appearance of nice P timing attacks).
But anyway, AWESOME GAMES SO FAR =D
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