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D3ath3nat0r
Profile Joined October 2010
United States163 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 01:58:44
December 23 2010 23:02 GMT
#1
I have the EVGA Nvidia GTX 460 1024 MB 256 Bit Graphics Card
What processor should I get so I can be able to run Ultra smoothly even in late game?
Please give me recommendations and what is the least amount of GHz I need for the CPU in order to be able to run Ultra smoothly and with firefox open in the background.

mother board is MSI NF750-G55 AM3 NVIDIA nForce 750a SLI HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
but can switch if needed
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taylorb123
Profile Joined December 2010
United States9 Posts
December 23 2010 23:12 GMT
#2
I have a 4850 and an i7 920 @3.6GHz and don't ever get any studders. But, even when it was at stock (2.8GHz) I didn't have any problems either. So, I personally would get an i7, as they're pretty beefy (and most overclock well, if you're into that!)
D3ath3nat0r
Profile Joined October 2010
United States163 Posts
December 23 2010 23:18 GMT
#3
I am wanting to spend $100-$200 on it, not sure to get like an i5 or an amd, and were you on ultra?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 23 2010 23:23 GMT
#4
You need to tell us your current motherboard for us to recommend any processors.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20160 Posts
December 23 2010 23:24 GMT
#5
I have an amd phenom ii x4 955 that runs sc2 on ultra ez pz w/ a 1gb 460
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TheUberMango
Profile Joined December 2010
United States77 Posts
December 23 2010 23:25 GMT
#6
I use an Intel Quad Core 2.4 and ATI 5870 1gb, and I think the processor is holding me back from running Ultra. High has SOME FPS drops in late game, so I'm forced to run medium. I have 4 GB ram, so I think that's enough. Yeah, Quad Core is definitely not the best processor choice for StarCraft 2, but then again I bought my computer before SC2 came out =D.
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taylorb123
Profile Joined December 2010
United States9 Posts
December 23 2010 23:37 GMT
#7
I run on ultra, yes... an i5 would be good too, but like skyR said, what's your motherboard, then we can recommend from there... or really, what are your entire system specs, and we can go from there
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 23 2010 23:49 GMT
#8
I would say the i5-750 if you prefer Intel, or a Phenom II x4 955/965 BE. Both are fine and can OC really high. The Phenom's are 3.2/3.4 default with unlocked multiplier while the i5 is 2.8, I don't think the multiplier is unlocked on it though, I seem to remember only extreme editions are unlocked with Intel iirc? I don't know much about Intel specifically though. I just bought a Phenom II x4 970 which is 3.5ghz. I'd give you a review but my mobo is shot and am still waiting for a new one

In short, anything quad core should do the trick. The 955's are around 145, 965 are about $160 and a 970 is 180$

although I wouldn't say the difference is huge between the three. Just OC the processor if you need more, the only reason I got the 970 was because it came with darksiders for free and I figured why not.
http://promotions.newegg.com/AMD/DarksidersGame/index.html?cm_sp=tab_Computer-Hardware-_-AMD/DarksidersGame-_-http://promotions.newegg.com/AMD/DarksidersGame/118x118.gif
And I think it gets a 10$ gift card with it right now.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-23 23:57:02
December 23 2010 23:50 GMT
#9
Actually yeah, awesome. A 10$ coupon and a free video game!
edit: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/294010-28-good-reviews
from random thing I read on the internet, apparently the Phenom's perform better in gaming.
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GeneralZap
Profile Joined January 2008
United States172 Posts
December 23 2010 23:58 GMT
#10
AMD = More band for buck.

PERIOD.

i7's are expensive as freaking caviar.

I recommend an AMD X4 Black Edition processor, or maybe one of the cheaper Six core processors. Here, look at http://www.tigerdirect.com.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html is a great place to compare the processors.

The six core AMD Phenom II X6 1090T, is about 230$ and a very good deal.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7026003&CatId=4431
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Riskymilk
Profile Joined November 2010
30 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 00:06:00
December 24 2010 00:04 GMT
#11
Well, I say run high as ultra is a waste of power with little performance increase (pointless) over high, but each to their own. Need to know whether your mobo has an AMD or Intel socket, plus which number. Unless you plan on buying a new mobo depending on the socket.
AMD : Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition $144
Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition $185
Intel : Core i5-760 $205
If you are planning to buy an Intel CPU I would wait until mid-late January for the new Sandy-Bridge ones. Look very promising.
hoborg
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States430 Posts
December 24 2010 00:17 GMT
#12
1. The clock speed "GHz" isn't a universal scale of how well a processor performs, it actually tells you pretty much jack shit unless you're comparing two of the same model. You need to look at benchmarks to tell how CPUs compare to each other.
2. Unlike graphics cards, there are many different types of motherboard sockets for CPUs, so you can't just get any CPU and assume it will fit into your system. Free software like CPU-Z can tell you what model of motherboard you have, and then you can look up what CPUs are compatible with your motherboard. The other option is to buy a new motherboard as well.
3. You can probably play SC2 on Ultra with any CPU in the $100-150 range as long as you aren't getting ripped off. Check benchmarks if you want to get the most bang for the buck, though.
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mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
December 24 2010 00:45 GMT
#13
On December 24 2010 08:02 D3ath3nat0r wrote:
I have the EVGA Nvidia GTX 460 1024 MB 256 Bit Graphics Card
What processor should I get so I can be able to run Ultra smoothly even in late game?
Please give me recommendations and what is the least amount of GHz I need for the CPU in order to be able to run Ultra smoothly and with firefox open in the background.


The most important questions are resolution, followed by game size. You haven't mentioned either once in this thread. If you only play ladder games, you could get away with a PhII I guess. Any larger games, you should consider a Lynnfield though.
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Twitches
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada365 Posts
December 24 2010 01:07 GMT
#14
Just get a mid range AMD processor. I have a 2.5ghz overclocked to 3ghz and it's more than fine for me.
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Straught
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico157 Posts
December 24 2010 01:17 GMT
#15
On December 24 2010 08:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I would say the i5-750 if you prefer Intel, or a Phenom II x4 955/965 BE. Both are fine and can OC really high. The Phenom's are 3.2/3.4 default with unlocked multiplier while the i5 is 2.8, I don't think the multiplier is unlocked on it though, I seem to remember only extreme editions are unlocked with Intel iirc? I don't know much about Intel specifically though. I just bought a Phenom II x4 970 which is 3.5ghz. I'd give you a review but my mobo is shot and am still waiting for a new one

In short, anything quad core should do the trick. The 955's are around 145, 965 are about $160 and a 970 is 180$

although I wouldn't say the difference is huge between the three. Just OC the processor if you need more, the only reason I got the 970 was because it came with darksiders for free and I figured why not.
http://promotions.newegg.com/AMD/DarksidersGame/index.html?cm_sp=tab_Computer-Hardware-_-AMD/DarksidersGame-_-http://promotions.newegg.com/AMD/DarksidersGame/118x118.gif
And I think it gets a 10$ gift card with it right now.


Extending on this, Intel's sandybridge microarchitecture will be launched on Jan 9. This will give you two options, buy the new, better generation of processors or buy the old, but still great gen, for much less.

Now I would recommend the i5-760, since it has a higher stock clock, which causes it to overclock better, it's essentially the same processor but with a higher clock, which benefits you if you don't want to overclock, and if you do, it gives you a higher multiplier.
D3ath3nat0r
Profile Joined October 2010
United States163 Posts
December 24 2010 02:40 GMT
#16
hmm should i get the amd 945,955,965,or 970?
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darkponcho
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States262 Posts
December 24 2010 02:47 GMT
#17
I have the amd 965 and GTX470 and I never feel slow at all...
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Riskymilk
Profile Joined November 2010
30 Posts
December 24 2010 03:33 GMT
#18
I would just get the 955.
jazzyjazz
Profile Joined October 2010
941 Posts
December 24 2010 05:50 GMT
#19
Hey OP, I would just get the phenom II 955. With the AMD black edition line, you could easily overclock the 955 to 970 performance levels and save $40 or so in the process. And make sure you stick with the AM3 processors and the not the intel ones (ie i5's) since they won't be compatible with your motherboard.
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D3ath3nat0r
Profile Joined October 2010
United States163 Posts
December 24 2010 05:51 GMT
#20
thanks for info and whats OP? in Hey OP, could you recommend some heatsink and fans for overclocking
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R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
December 24 2010 06:01 GMT
#21
Scythe Mugen, Cooler Master Hyper 212, Zalman CNPS10x Performa, Corsair CAFA50
in order of preference
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 24 2010 06:11 GMT
#22
On December 24 2010 08:58 GeneralZap wrote:
AMD = More band for buck.

PERIOD.


For highly threaded applications, yes. For gaming, I doubt it. And after sandy bridge comes out? No chance in hell.
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Dakk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden572 Posts
December 24 2010 09:25 GMT
#23
i5 760
i7 920/930/950
Amd Phenom II X4 955/965/945
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Encrypto
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
December 24 2010 10:52 GMT
#24
Seriously, wait for the sandy bridges coming out next month. They're better than almost all of the processors out thus far and cost only around $200. Just have patience. I hear they are coming Jan 5.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19213 Posts
December 24 2010 13:06 GMT
#25
For $200 you're not getting an Intel CPU as you'd need a new motherboard as well.

AMD Phenom II X4 955 is probably the best choice.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 24 2010 13:22 GMT
#26
On December 24 2010 15:11 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 08:58 GeneralZap wrote:
AMD = More band for buck.

PERIOD.


For highly threaded applications, yes. For gaming, I doubt it. And after sandy bridge comes out? No chance in hell.

Well also keep in mind AMD's Bulldozer architecture is supposed to come out in a couple of months iirc. Unless they are still pushing it back. But the bulldozer shit is going to use AM3+ which aren't out as mobo's yet. So if you wanted to wait the phenom II's and I series might drop a bit and you can still get them.

As I said earlier. The only reason I would lean towards a 970 over a 955 is because it comes with a free game and a gift card atm. Meaning basically 50$ off. Darksiders is supposed to be similar to Zelda based off of reviews, and I <3 Zelda and puzzle games.
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mangomango
Profile Joined September 2009
United States265 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 14:32:39
December 24 2010 14:31 GMT
#27
If you're a performance freak just spend the extra $20 dollars and get the latest generation. This thing goes 4.0 GHz and beyond without blinking. The 965 struggles to go to 4 and above.

$185.99 and free shipping

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103894

AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDZ970FBGMBOX

And RebirthOfLeGenD makes a very good point about value.
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jazzyjazz
Profile Joined October 2010
941 Posts
December 24 2010 21:23 GMT
#28
OP is opening poster.

I would recommend getting a coolermaster 212+ heatsink. It's one of the cheapest 120mm heatsinks available and is pretty good quality. 120mm heatsinks are usually more expensive than smaller ones, but they have better cooling and are usually quieter. I'm personally using one myself and I'm overclocking an i3 processsor to 4.0 ghz with 26 degrees idle and about 50 degrees full load. It's a very good cooler and it's only around $30. The heatsink comes with thermal paste, but it's not that good and I'd recommend getting a third party thermal paste (they're pretty cheap at about $10 and any major brand would do).

link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065&cm_re=212-_-35-103-065-_-Product
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 24 2010 21:27 GMT
#29
On December 24 2010 22:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 15:11 writer22816 wrote:
On December 24 2010 08:58 GeneralZap wrote:
AMD = More band for buck.

PERIOD.


For highly threaded applications, yes. For gaming, I doubt it. And after sandy bridge comes out? No chance in hell.

Well also keep in mind AMD's Bulldozer architecture is supposed to come out in a couple of months iirc. Unless they are still pushing it back. But the bulldozer shit is going to use AM3+ which aren't out as mobo's yet. So if you wanted to wait the phenom II's and I series might drop a bit and you can still get them.

As I said earlier. The only reason I would lean towards a 970 over a 955 is because it comes with a free game and a gift card atm. Meaning basically 50$ off. Darksiders is supposed to be similar to Zelda based off of reviews, and I <3 Zelda and puzzle games.


Bulldozer isn't coming out until Q3 2011 so if you can wait for 6+ months than go right ahead.
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
December 24 2010 21:40 GMT
#30
Starcraft 2 as far as i am aware utilises only 2 Cores, therefore it is advisable to get the fastest Dualcore available.

i bought an AMD X2 555 BE and overclocked to 3,6 ghz, runs Ultra easily.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 21:48:37
December 24 2010 21:46 GMT
#31
With your current board. You can go either as others have suggested with a 970 and do a mild oc or use a 955 and pull a higher oc. The 955 can get up to the 970's 3.5 pretty easy but it maxes out around 3.8 while the 970 will max out at around 4ghz. The 970 is just a better quality chip they got out of the process so it can clock higher for the same voltage.

Ideally sc2 favors the intel arch much more and a i5-760 oced to 3.6Ghz+ but your choices are also listed.

The 970 will be a bit more expensive
the 955 + cooler will be a bit cheaper but you'll also have to oc and i noticed your board is a 125w TDP for cpu board not a 140w and it also lacks a 8pin for the cpu in other words it may just be easier to go the 970 rout
D3ath3nat0r
Profile Joined October 2010
United States163 Posts
December 24 2010 21:51 GMT
#32
wait semantics, so the 955 cant be hooked up onto the motherboard? and is overclocking hard? i dont want to break anything
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 22:01:04
December 24 2010 21:53 GMT
#33
Naw the motherboard will be fine it's just that having a sustained high oc requires a proper board, psu and cooling.

If all you want to do it push the 955 to 3.5ish GHz i'd say it's fine but i wouldn't recommend pushing it higher then that i don't see great results with that, you board can handle the stress but i don't see alot of overhead in it to support 24/7 usage at a higher oc but you can oc on that board nvidia chipsets tended to fair better under oc's but the rest of the board isn't very robust.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 25 2010 01:00 GMT
#34
On December 25 2010 06:40 freetgy wrote:
Starcraft 2 as far as i am aware utilises only 2 Cores, therefore it is advisable to get the fastest Dualcore available.

i bought an AMD X2 555 BE and overclocked to 3,6 ghz, runs Ultra easily.

This is correct, but also a little misleading. SC2 utilizes dual cores however future games may utilize 4 cores, but more importantly if you want to have other shit open besides sc2 they will use the other 2 cores while sc2 is using 2, thus making quad cores still more useful.
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
December 25 2010 01:05 GMT
#35
Also just because sc2 is only dual threaded doesn't mean it doesn't benefit from more cores.
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