[D] Bring back excitement to SC2 - Page 10

On July 05 2008 22:15 FrozenArbiter wrote:
So, from WWI it seems like the medivac performed pretty well as a medic replacement. Not really heard any complaints at all and the new units seem to lead to an exciting game.

Heard some complaints about the colossus (about it being boring to micro) and the jackal. Would be very interesting to hear some more about these two units from anyone who went.

On July 05 2008 22:43 anotak wrote:

I've also read bad things about the Reaper... I'm not sure how it could be improved either, unless you gave reapers the firebat attack and then bring vultures back in place of jackals. Actually, that sounds like a pretty good way to fix those issues to me.

On July 06 2008 01:27 FrozenArbiter wrote:

I thought so too, before, but I'm not sure anymore cause I can kind of see the point in trying to replace as many units as possible to create new interesting combinations etc. Just needs to make sure the unit is as interesting as what's being replaced.

But yeah I've also heard the reaper was pretty useless which is sad, I like that unit

On July 06 2008 02:11 anotak wrote:

Well, the issue is that the Reaper is basically a marine. Except it can jump cliffs and does less damage. It's like the Valkyrie. A Goliath that can fly but it's less cost-effective. (At least this is what I've been told in IRC by people that were at WWI). They're in overlapping roles.

And the Jackal isn't like what I imagined, it's this weird firebat/vulture hybrid. Which makes about as much sense as a giving SCVs yamato. I imagined it being a Vulture with a very lurker-like longer range and AOE style, nearly instant attack. Instead it's got the firebat flames except they reach the target slower. And patrol micro is impossible. And it doesn't have spidermines.

So to me, giving the Reaps the Firebat attack fixes the problems with the reaper. As a ranged instant-hit ranged weapon harass / special-ish unit it's overlapping with the Ghost and Marine at the moment. Or maybe a rocket-launcher toting Reaper would be good (but if it's an AOE, watch out for overlap with the Marauder). Or perhaps some more unique energy weapon of some kind, like the wraith/bc laser. To be honest dual pistols just looks and sounds ridiculous anyway. Once you have the different weapon, that helps fit its own role more. Currently the only thing reapers are better than marines at as I understand correctly is fighting vs. lings. Well, a firebat attack would make this still be the case.

For example: With an attack like the wraith laser (probably buffed a little bit), with a similar rate of fire, unit dancing would be much more possible, allowing that mobility to be taken advantage of. With damage concentrated into shorter bursts they'd be more useful as harass units as well. With whatever damage bonus is appropriate to make them better against immortals, workers, lings, zealots, hts, dts, hydras, marines, infestors, ghosts and other reapers they'd be much more useful than before.

On July 21 2008 08:17 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Something I started thinking about, at random, today was those classic games (mostly PvP and PvT) where both players are out of minerals and units and it's just like a couple of scvs / vultures vs a reaver with a limited number of scarabs.

If they don't bring back the reaver, I would love for the ammo-that-costs-resources concept to be brought back in some other form.

On July 06 2008 07:13 FrozenArbiter wrote:
To clarify, I'm all for reaper-> flamethrower, I was talking about rolling back the jackal into the vulture.

I think I'd rather see something new in that case (don't like the jackal either tho, it seems really weird to revert to wheels after having hoverbikes).