EPTEspecially if it's in the contracts of all the players, this is definitely in the Legal realm and can be escalated to a court case.
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tommey.liang
United States363 Posts
Especially if it's in the contracts of all the players, this is definitely in the Legal realm and can be escalated to a court case. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1816 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33472 Posts
Instead of a tournament, we should crowdfund taking some shitty teamowners to town over unpaid wages and broken contracts, just to make a point that you can't get away with it  . Kinda like Jessica legally went after random commenters on the internet for defamation, just to make the point | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States674 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33472 Posts
On August 29 2023 13:44 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote: Lol. Going to court against team GP? Where would you even sue them. Lololololol In a Korean court for unpaid wages ? Are you unaware of the concept ? | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States674 Posts
On August 29 2023 13:47 Waxangel wrote: In a Korean court for unpaid wages ? Are you unaware of the concept ?nm I am an idiot, thought GP is Chinese based org. sorry. | ||
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CranKy Ducklings
476 Posts
On August 28 2023 03:44 SupremeMaddox wrote: (...) - Prize Money wasn't paid out not only for their own players, but also their own tournaments. One of the tournaments launched in the team's name was conducted with a year-long period. The Group Stage held in April 2022, Playoffs at August, and The Finals at February 28, 2023 Anonymous source has revealed that players involved in this tournament didn't receive any prize money until now. (...) Unfortunately, this is not all. Back when we signed Vindicta, he was already participating in this tournament and it had no coverage, so we decided to cast it. After we started broadcasting it, one of our viewers contacted us saying that the Matcherino (crowdfunding) page we were told to share was not the first one for this tournament. So we checked the account and indeed we found another Matcherino page already closed at $125 with "Not use Matcherino" paid out to TheBarTV. Who is Amateur King #3 - old page: https://matcherino.com/tournaments/68724/overview After that, we decided to check the Matcherino pages of previous editions and we found out that Who is Amateur King #2 also had 2 pages. The first one paid out to TheBarTV under "Remake matcherino page" at $505. The second one had payouts for players but TheBarTV contributed only $350 under "Remake matcherino Page" and the payouts included $125 "For Next Tournament". Who is Amateur King #2 - old page: https://matcherino.com/tournaments/68175 Who is Amateur King #2 - new page: https://matcherino.com/tournaments/68356/overview The whole situation seemed very fishy but we weren't there for the #2 edition, so we wanted to get some solid evidence. So after some discussion, we decided to complete the tournament and find out if the money will be properly paid out. We also contacted Team Super (another team who was sponsoring Who is Amateur King #3) to get information about how much exactly was their contribution to see if it adds up. Unfortunately, that was when the SC2 tournament schedule got intense and a few events, including this one, got indefinitely postponed. We were never contacted about covering the Playoffs but now I see that they have been played and the Matcherino page is once again paid out in full to TheBarTV under just "payout". Who is Amateur King #3 - new page: https://matcherino.com/tournaments/70264/overview Back then we got caught up with other projects and we didn't want to cause unnecessary drama for the players still on the team in case it's just poor tournament management. However, seeing how things have developed, we can only say that we are sorry about not getting the information about it to the public sooner. | ||
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crbox
Canada1180 Posts
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SupremeMaddox
Korea (South)32 Posts
On August 30 2023 01:54 CranKy Ducklings wrote: Unfortunately, that was when the SC2 tournament schedule got intense and a few events, including this one, got indefinitely postponed. We were never contacted about covering the Playoffs but now I see that they have been played and the Matcherino page is once again paid out in full to TheBarTV under just "payout". This is just beyond frustration. Thank you for sharing this. | ||
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Freeedom
United States199 Posts
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SupremeMaddox
Korea (South)32 Posts
On September 02 2023 11:53 Freeedom wrote: we got reached out for support and helped out as well, even tho we did say we have our own team and players to support. Sad to see. Heard the story of course. You guys are really dedicated to the scene like no one else. Always appreciate it, and I hope you guys thrive in these tough days as well. | ||
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BjoernK
194 Posts
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Agh
United States1006 Posts
On September 05 2023 13:04 BjoernK wrote: Don't all eSports teams lose money? How do the big reputable teams finance themselves? I am afraid that the result here is inevitable unless there is some very rich entity behind the team willing to burn money... Unfortunate reality but yes, all are pretty much operating at a loss. Unless you're able to supplement enough through a heavy merch sales or some very lucrative sponsorship deal there is zero profit to be made. (and even then someone is reaping the negative ROI) It isn't feasible for organizers or events to pay teams to attend their events outside of prize money. When something like League(riot) or WoW(Blizzard) esports operates their events in the negative and only as a service you start to see the big picture. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1227 Posts
On September 12 2023 06:12 Agh wrote: Unfortunate reality but yes, all are pretty much operating at a loss. Unless you're able to supplement enough through a heavy merch sales or some very lucrative sponsorship deal there is zero profit to be made. It isn't feasible for organizers or events to pay teams to attend their events outside of prize money. When something like League(riot) or WoW(Blizzard) esports operates their events in the negative and only as a service you start to see the big picture. Maybe I completly misunderstood you, but most of your points are...kinda wrong? There is in fact a very big organizer that pays teams to attend their events outside of prize money - ESL in CS:GO with the Louvre-Agreement. While teams don't get directly paid for attendance, the partner teams have to attend a certain amount of events. In turn, Partner teams get a share of the profits, Also if I remember correctly, because of an earlier agreement, ESL has to make travel accomondations - which by now are industry-standard for most big esports. It is also not entirely true that Riot and Blizzard operate their Esports "as a service". While it is probably true that the entire LoL Championship is not operating at a profit (though I kinda doubt the loss is too heavy), it is an extremly important advertisement tool for the game. The circuit Riot created for LoL and Valorant is way too big to just do so out of the goodness of their hearts. Especially since you don't need to - Valve is half-assing DotA2 for years and the TI is still one of the biggest Esports events of the year, even though the entire circuit is a total shit-show Of course vor Activision Blizzard and the OWL/CDL there is a different discussion to be made, but I don't think all these investors pumped in a combined 300+ million for a "service". Even though it is very clear that these two leagues don't generate any big amount of profit for the teams | ||
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Agh
United States1006 Posts
On September 12 2023 07:51 Balnazza wrote: Maybe I completly misunderstood you, but most of your points are...kinda wrong? There is in fact a very big organizer that pays teams to attend their events outside of prize money - ESL in CS:GO with the Louvre-Agreement. While teams don't get directly paid for attendance, the partner teams have to attend a certain amount of events. In turn, Partner teams get a share of the profits, Also if I remember correctly, because of an earlier agreement, ESL has to make travel accomondations - which by now are industry-standard for most big esports. It is also not entirely true that Riot and Blizzard operate their Esports "as a service". While it is probably true that the entire LoL Championship is not operating at a profit (though I kinda doubt the loss is too heavy), it is an extremly important advertisement tool for the game. The circuit Riot created for LoL and Valorant is way too big to just do so out of the goodness of their hearts. Especially since you don't need to - Valve is half-assing DotA2 for years and the TI is still one of the biggest Esports events of the year, even though the entire circuit is a total shit-show Of course vor Activision Blizzard and the OWL/CDL there is a different discussion to be made, but I don't think all these investors pumped in a combined 300+ million for a "service". Even though it is very clear that these two leagues don't generate any big amount of profit for the teams We were referencing teams. But I'll go ahead and do you a solid by pointing out that even your one off example, at several points it's still hemorrhaging money as far as 'eSports' in concerned, and would not be sustainable by itself. Magical money fountains such as skin shops, cs:go gambling, microtransactions, or investors that allow something to exist doesn't change any notion that the past decade has only reinforced. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1227 Posts
On September 13 2023 06:15 Agh wrote: We were referencing teams. But I'll go ahead and do you a solid by pointing out that even your one off example, at several points it's still hemorrhaging money as far as 'eSports' in concerned, and would not be sustainable by itself. Magical money fountains such as skin shops, cs:go gambling, microtransactions, or investors that allow something to exist doesn't change any notion that the past decade has only reinforced. I mean, you completly ignored my post and just threw in some buzzwords, but sure, nice talk! | ||
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zelevin
United States295 Posts
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