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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
October 27 2021 00:11 GMT
#1
ESL/DreamHack have announced the group stage draws for the DreamHack Masters Winter Season Finals:

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esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States568 Posts
October 27 2021 00:30 GMT
#2
Group C seems pretty tough.
Skill is relative.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-27 01:01:41
October 27 2021 01:01 GMT
#3
I would say 80% of the time the top 8 players are the first players from each group.
which would make for a pretty sick playoff bracket
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States885 Posts
October 27 2021 06:12 GMT
#4
Each of the groups seems to have 2 very clear favorites. The only players that I wouldn't be surprised to see pulling an upset are Neeb and ShoWTimE.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3515 Posts
October 27 2021 07:59 GMT
#5
On October 27 2021 15:12 Kitai wrote:
Each of the groups seems to have 2 very clear favorites. The only players that I wouldn't be surprised to see pulling an upset are Neeb and ShoWTimE.

Also Scarlett if Trap has a bad day.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12133 Posts
October 27 2021 11:23 GMT
#6
Huh, no Reynor, interesting. Also Clem v P group xD
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2466 Posts
October 27 2021 12:38 GMT
#7
I am surprised to see a Pakistani player in the group bracket.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1359 Posts
October 27 2021 13:08 GMT
#8
I still don't get why the seeding isn't blocking two europeans in one group, when we have four europeans and four groups. I get that there need to be two groups with two koreans, but why the doubling with EU?


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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33699 Posts
October 27 2021 13:39 GMT
#9
Season Finals groups always seem to play out as a "can Clem overcome TvP?" test :0
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-27 14:05:47
October 27 2021 14:04 GMT
#10
On October 27 2021 15:12 Kitai wrote:
Each of the groups seems to have 2 very clear favorites. The only players that I wouldn't be surprised to see pulling an upset are Neeb and ShoWTimE.

Yeah, none of these groups are close between the top 2 and bottom 2, but the players most likely to have an 'its an online tournament' day are probably Trap, Zest, and Maru
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Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
199 Posts
October 27 2021 15:01 GMT
#11
On October 27 2021 22:39 Waxangel wrote:
Season Finals groups always seem to play out as a "can Clem overcome TvP?" test :0


Well he clearly can looking at his results against top protosses in the world.

Most recent results, October 23rd he won 3-1 over Zest, and most recent October 27th he beat Trap 2-0.

Also if you look at his tournament history on liquipedia he is rarely ever knocked out by a Protoss, of almost all his losses in tournaments he gets knocked out by a Terran or a Zerg.


Go go Terran agenda hmm?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12133 Posts
October 27 2021 15:40 GMT
#12
On October 27 2021 22:39 Waxangel wrote:
Season Finals groups always seem to play out as a "can Clem overcome TvP?" test :0

It's a dark scheme against him. I sense a power.... screw that, gotta find a high ground

So it appears I am not the one entertained by this
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3515 Posts
October 27 2021 16:07 GMT
#13
On October 28 2021 00:01 Drahkn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2021 22:39 Waxangel wrote:
Season Finals groups always seem to play out as a "can Clem overcome TvP?" test :0


Well he clearly can looking at his results against top protosses in the world.

Most recent results, October 23rd he won 3-1 over Zest, and most recent October 27th he beat Trap 2-0.

Also if you look at his tournament history on liquipedia he is rarely ever knocked out by a Protoss, of almost all his losses in tournaments he gets knocked out by a Terran or a Zerg.


Go go Terran agenda hmm?

Except that in the last 5-6 premiere global tournament in 2021, Clem is knocked off by Protoss (Zoun in SAHSC, Zest in IEM, Trap in Last Chance, Neeb in DH Summer, Parting in DH Fall). Thats more than the number of time he lost to Terran and Zerg AFAIK.
And its not like Clem couldnt win TvP, we all know he is capable of doing that like you just showed. The question is can he do it when it mattered more, aka in bigger tournament.
Drahkn
Profile Joined June 2021
199 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-27 17:18:36
October 27 2021 16:46 GMT
#14
On October 28 2021 01:07 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2021 00:01 Drahkn wrote:
On October 27 2021 22:39 Waxangel wrote:
Season Finals groups always seem to play out as a "can Clem overcome TvP?" test :0


Well he clearly can looking at his results against top protosses in the world.

Most recent results, October 23rd he won 3-1 over Zest, and most recent October 27th he beat Trap 2-0.

Also if you look at his tournament history on liquipedia he is rarely ever knocked out by a Protoss, of almost all his losses in tournaments he gets knocked out by a Terran or a Zerg.


Go go Terran agenda hmm?

Except that in the last 5-6 premiere global tournament in 2021, Clem is knocked off by Protoss (Zoun in SAHSC, Zest in IEM, Trap in Last Chance, Neeb in DH Summer, Parting in DH Fall). Thats more than the number of time he lost to Terran and Zerg AFAIK.
And its not like Clem couldnt win TvP, we all know he is capable of doing that like you just showed. The question is can he do it when it mattered more, aka in bigger tournament.



Sorry what liquipedia are you reading?

Sorry I just must put this in perspective for people, 2020 / 2021 he played 10 premier tournaments, only two of these tournaments did he get knocked out by a protoss, he either won or lost to a Zerg or a Terran.

He played 8 Major tournaments 2020 / 2021 he never lost a single one of them to a Protoss and beat Showtime 4-1 in a Finals.

Minor tournaments or earlier than 2020 are irrelevant statistics for his TVP.


tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States363 Posts
October 27 2021 17:54 GMT
#15
Pretty stacked groups overall -- wonder who will come out on top.
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angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
332 Posts
October 27 2021 19:19 GMT
#16
On October 28 2021 02:54 tommey.liang wrote:
Pretty stacked groups overall -- wonder who will come out on top.


I mean we gotta favor Serral right? He's just looked unstoppable recently. Demolished both Clem and Trap convincingly. I guess ZvZ is his biggest vulnerability right now
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
October 27 2021 20:26 GMT
#17
On October 27 2021 21:38 swarminfestor wrote:
I am surprised to see a Pakistani player in the group bracket.


He's British with a Pakistani citizenship I think
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
October 27 2021 23:58 GMT
#18
On October 28 2021 04:19 angry_maia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2021 02:54 tommey.liang wrote:
Pretty stacked groups overall -- wonder who will come out on top.


I mean we gotta favor Serral right? He's just looked unstoppable recently. Demolished both Clem and Trap convincingly. I guess ZvZ is his biggest vulnerability right now


Clem won their most recent series and I wouldn't call a 3-2 vs Trap demolishing. Trap absolutely could have won their SAHSC series with slightly cleaner play. He also lost 0-3 to Maru last time they played though Serral has obviously improved his ZvT recently.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16089 Posts
October 28 2021 00:09 GMT
#19
On October 28 2021 01:46 Drahkn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2021 01:07 tigera6 wrote:
On October 28 2021 00:01 Drahkn wrote:
On October 27 2021 22:39 Waxangel wrote:
Season Finals groups always seem to play out as a "can Clem overcome TvP?" test :0


Well he clearly can looking at his results against top protosses in the world.

Most recent results, October 23rd he won 3-1 over Zest, and most recent October 27th he beat Trap 2-0.

Also if you look at his tournament history on liquipedia he is rarely ever knocked out by a Protoss, of almost all his losses in tournaments he gets knocked out by a Terran or a Zerg.


Go go Terran agenda hmm?

Except that in the last 5-6 premiere global tournament in 2021, Clem is knocked off by Protoss (Zoun in SAHSC, Zest in IEM, Trap in Last Chance, Neeb in DH Summer, Parting in DH Fall). Thats more than the number of time he lost to Terran and Zerg AFAIK.
And its not like Clem couldnt win TvP, we all know he is capable of doing that like you just showed. The question is can he do it when it mattered more, aka in bigger tournament.



Sorry what liquipedia are you reading?

Sorry I just must put this in perspective for people, 2020 / 2021 he played 10 premier tournaments, only two of these tournaments did he get knocked out by a protoss, he either won or lost to a Zerg or a Terran.

He played 8 Major tournaments 2020 / 2021 he never lost a single one of them to a Protoss and beat Showtime 4-1 in a Finals.

Minor tournaments or earlier than 2020 are irrelevant statistics for his TVP.



I'm guessing you looked at his liquipedia page where only the tournaments are shown where he made it into the top 4.
He played a lot more tournaments then that. What tigera6 says is correct
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tkdalswls
Profile Joined October 2021
Korea (South)1 Post
October 28 2021 10:39 GMT
#20
OMG Serral Maru...
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7402 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-29 11:12:52
October 29 2021 11:12 GMT
#21
Group A: Trap, Cure with a possible upset by Scarlett
Group B: Protoss, Clem. It's 75% PvP. Nuff said
Group C: Rogue, Dark. I think Mlords's dream run ends here but I hope to be proven wrong
Group D: Serral, Maru. Showtime on a prime day can upset this.
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koalabro
Profile Joined June 2021
59 Posts
October 29 2021 15:08 GMT
#22
Nice groups. But it's kinda weird not seeing Reynor here, just like its kinda weird not seeing Serral or Maru at one of these during previous years
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Profile Joined October 2021
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October 30 2021 10:36 GMT
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Profile Joined June 2021
Dominican Republic5 Posts
November 02 2021 17:05 GMT
#24
Wow these groups look amazing! Looking foward to watching all of them !
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Northern Ireland27358 Posts
March 02 2022 17:38 GMT
#26
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Germany2655 Posts
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What a radioactive wasteland
Damn spambots
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United States12989 Posts
April 19 2022 21:29 GMT
#34
But why this thread in particular?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
April 20 2022 00:10 GMT
#35
On April 20 2022 06:29 Pandain wrote:
But why this thread in particular?


Maru can't win DH 20 time in a row and as soon as he win, there's "bots" that bump this thread... #TL Korean elitist
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#36
On April 20 2022 05:27 dbRic1203 wrote:
What a radioactive wasteland
Damn spambots

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