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Toodming joins Chivo

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sc2edeN
Profile Joined November 2019
Japan18 Posts
December 02 2019 13:43 GMT
#1
Chivo just announced in their official Twitter
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Everything you see is delayed.
thickertom
Profile Joined December 2014
China612 Posts
December 02 2019 13:58 GMT
#2
So simple: ExpecT is weaker than TooDming now.
I love SC2
sc2edeN
Profile Joined November 2019
Japan18 Posts
December 02 2019 14:13 GMT
#3
On December 02 2019 22:58 thickertom wrote:
So simple: ExpecT is weaker than TooDming now.

Maybe just because Chivo needs another player for CTC offline. Since that soO is facing his military service, and we don't know if soO can participate in the foreign offline tournaments in 2020.
Everything you see is delayed.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 02 2019 14:40 GMT
#4
On December 02 2019 23:13 sc2edeN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2019 22:58 thickertom wrote:
So simple: ExpecT is weaker than TooDming now.

Maybe just because Chivo needs another player for CTC offline. Since that soO is facing his military service, and we don't know if soO can participate in the foreign offline tournaments in 2020.

Then getting TY would make more sense, or not?
MaxPax
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 02 2019 14:47 GMT
#5
On December 02 2019 23:40 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2019 23:13 sc2edeN wrote:
On December 02 2019 22:58 thickertom wrote:
So simple: ExpecT is weaker than TooDming now.

Maybe just because Chivo needs another player for CTC offline. Since that soO is facing his military service, and we don't know if soO can participate in the foreign offline tournaments in 2020.

Then getting TY would make more sense, or not?


Getting Special would make sense, TY is apparently very close to TSG already.
lepricon1992
Profile Joined July 2019
96 Posts
December 02 2019 15:11 GMT
#6
On December 02 2019 23:40 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2019 23:13 sc2edeN wrote:
On December 02 2019 22:58 thickertom wrote:
So simple: ExpecT is weaker than TooDming now.

Maybe just because Chivo needs another player for CTC offline. Since that soO is facing his military service, and we don't know if soO can participate in the foreign offline tournaments in 2020.

Then getting TY would make more sense, or not?


No TY's joining TSG is only one step from official announcement.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
December 02 2019 15:16 GMT
#7
On December 02 2019 23:47 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2019 23:40 dbRic1203 wrote:
On December 02 2019 23:13 sc2edeN wrote:
On December 02 2019 22:58 thickertom wrote:
So simple: ExpecT is weaker than TooDming now.

Maybe just because Chivo needs another player for CTC offline. Since that soO is facing his military service, and we don't know if soO can participate in the foreign offline tournaments in 2020.

Then getting TY would make more sense, or not?


Getting Special would make sense, TY is apparently very close to TSG already.

Getting SpeCial would make sense for them anyways imo, Chivo being Latin American branding and having Cham already.
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thickertom
Profile Joined December 2014
China612 Posts
December 02 2019 16:00 GMT
#8
On December 03 2019 00:16 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2019 23:47 Xain0n wrote:
On December 02 2019 23:40 dbRic1203 wrote:
On December 02 2019 23:13 sc2edeN wrote:
On December 02 2019 22:58 thickertom wrote:
So simple: ExpecT is weaker than TooDming now.

Maybe just because Chivo needs another player for CTC offline. Since that soO is facing his military service, and we don't know if soO can participate in the foreign offline tournaments in 2020.

Then getting TY would make more sense, or not?


Getting Special would make sense, TY is apparently very close to TSG already.

Getting SpeCial would make sense for them anyways imo, Chivo being Latin American branding and having Cham already.


However,
1. Cham may not participate in CTC at least until now.
2. Chivo's owner, Julio Davila prefers SoO to other players even from Mexican local players.
I love SC2
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 02 2019 16:42 GMT
#9
On December 03 2019 01:00 thickertom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2019 00:16 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On December 02 2019 23:47 Xain0n wrote:
On December 02 2019 23:40 dbRic1203 wrote:
On December 02 2019 23:13 sc2edeN wrote:
On December 02 2019 22:58 thickertom wrote:
So simple: ExpecT is weaker than TooDming now.

Maybe just because Chivo needs another player for CTC offline. Since that soO is facing his military service, and we don't know if soO can participate in the foreign offline tournaments in 2020.

Then getting TY would make more sense, or not?


Getting Special would make sense, TY is apparently very close to TSG already.

Getting SpeCial would make sense for them anyways imo, Chivo being Latin American branding and having Cham already.


However,
1. Cham may not participate in CTC at least until now.
2. Chivo's owner, Julio Davila prefers SoO to other players even from Mexican local players.


Special is living in Korea, he is korean level despite not being korean in nationality and, unlike soO, he will be free to travel in 2020; Ragnarok alone won't be able to carry the team. I am not saying Chivo must sign Special, but I am convinced it would make sense to do so.
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
December 02 2019 16:52 GMT
#10
Why euripe cant have strong team leagues? WCS could do something about it. This way, for years, teams are just personal sponsorships for players without any gain
Tastyyyy
Profile Joined July 2018
Portugal95 Posts
December 02 2019 17:17 GMT
#11
In Europe/NA, unless some tournament organizers come together or some HUGE long forsken sponsor comes to the scene, Blizzard would have to invest a lot of money into a league...we all know they are having trouble investing in stuff...thats not happening.
v5872012
Profile Joined May 2018
35 Posts
December 02 2019 21:12 GMT
#12
On December 03 2019 01:52 JanDe wrote:
Why euripe cant have strong team leagues? WCS could do something about it. This way, for years, teams are just personal sponsorships for players without any gain


The success of CTC is built on Xiaose/F91 and Netease influences and reputation in Chinese esport community. EU and NA has also some guy doing such things like Wardi. But you know.. He is still too small to support a stable, professional teamleague. I believe if there's big names like Tatosis trying to build an EU teamleague along with WCS. They will succeed just like CTC.
Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
December 03 2019 00:37 GMT
#13
On December 03 2019 02:17 Tastyyyy wrote:
In Europe/NA, unless some tournament organizers come together or some HUGE long forsken sponsor comes to the scene, Blizzard would have to invest a lot of money into a league...we all know they are having trouble investing in stuff...thats not happening.

You can also think CTC is like homestory cup but with sponsers and more official support from blizzard
"You don't need a gsl champion, you don't need a esl champion. I feel like I'm just a normal man. I just practice very hard this time, like 15hrs everyday" Oliveira 2023
sc2edeN
Profile Joined November 2019
Japan18 Posts
December 03 2019 04:20 GMT
#14
On December 03 2019 01:52 JanDe wrote:
Why euripe cant have strong team leagues? WCS could do something about it. This way, for years, teams are just personal sponsorships for players without any gain

CTC's China sponsor NetEase is an independent company. Although NetEase is the acting publisher of Blizzard games in China, NetEase and Blizzard's finances are completely unrelated. So we can think that NetEase sponsored CTC with its own money on behalf of Blizzard.
Everything you see is delayed.
olimoley
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States742 Posts
December 03 2019 06:43 GMT
#15
On December 03 2019 01:00 thickertom wrote:
2. Chivo's owner, Julio Davila prefers SoO to other players even from Mexican local players.


You're making some bold assumptions here.
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elluel
Profile Joined October 2019
62 Posts
December 18 2019 07:00 GMT
#16
Oof I read ToD joined chivo was super happy haha
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
December 18 2019 07:21 GMT
#17
We need a crazy millionaire to support an European team league.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
December 18 2019 11:15 GMT
#18
On December 03 2019 01:00 thickertom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2019 00:16 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On December 02 2019 23:47 Xain0n wrote:
On December 02 2019 23:40 dbRic1203 wrote:
On December 02 2019 23:13 sc2edeN wrote:
On December 02 2019 22:58 thickertom wrote:
So simple: ExpecT is weaker than TooDming now.

Maybe just because Chivo needs another player for CTC offline. Since that soO is facing his military service, and we don't know if soO can participate in the foreign offline tournaments in 2020.

Then getting TY would make more sense, or not?


Getting Special would make sense, TY is apparently very close to TSG already.

Getting SpeCial would make sense for them anyways imo, Chivo being Latin American branding and having Cham already.


However,
1. Cham may not participate in CTC at least until now.
2. Chivo's owner, Julio Davila prefers SoO to other players even from Mexican local players.

1. You mention Cham not participating as a point. What do you mean by that?
2. a)Does it matter that soO is more liked if he can't play the CTC offline games?
b) Why would soO's existence affect the acquisition of SpeCial? Are you suggesting that SpeCial is so expensive that they wouldn't afford to keep soO?
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6920 Posts
December 18 2019 13:28 GMT
#19
On December 18 2019 16:21 Serimek wrote:
We need a crazy millionaire to support an European team league.


Elon help us!
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