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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25123 Posts
December 02 2019 15:41 GMT
#25
On December 03 2019 00:36 Elentos wrote:
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On December 02 2019 22:40 Obamarauder wrote:
DPG vs Jinair rivalry now? Both teams got high profile players from each race. think DPG is actually a better team than jinair now

I'd say Maru/Trap/Rogue is definitely still better than Cure/PartinG/Dark. And Jin Air also has sOs for rotation. Their non-Korean players are probably pretty similar.

Hell I might be entirely wrong but Jin Air feels like an ‘actual’ team, that shoutout each other for helping with their victories or whatever.

DPG and all of these Chinese teams feel just like a couple of star Koreans under a loose banner.

Not a criticism of theirs, if anything the majority of ‘teams’ in SC2 fit that bill.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-02 16:03:46
December 02 2019 16:02 GMT
#26
On December 03 2019 00:20 sneakyfox wrote:
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On December 02 2019 22:40 Obamarauder wrote:
DPG vs Jinair rivalry now? Both teams got high profile players from each race. think DPG is actually a better team than jinair now


Don't forget TSG.


TSG lacks a star terran. Maybe if inno or TY joined
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-02 16:08:36
December 02 2019 16:06 GMT
#27
On December 03 2019 01:02 Obamarauder wrote:
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On December 03 2019 00:20 sneakyfox wrote:
On December 02 2019 22:40 Obamarauder wrote:
DPG vs Jinair rivalry now? Both teams got high profile players from each race. think DPG is actually a better team than jinair now


Don't forget TSG.


TSG lacks a star terran. Maybe if inno or TY joined

TY is supposed to join TSG in January. It's their Protoss side that's pretty lacking with herO joining the military next week.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lepricon1992
Profile Joined July 2019
96 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-02 16:18:02
December 02 2019 16:15 GMT
#28
On December 03 2019 00:41 Wombat_NI wrote:
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On December 03 2019 00:36 Elentos wrote:
On December 02 2019 22:40 Obamarauder wrote:
DPG vs Jinair rivalry now? Both teams got high profile players from each race. think DPG is actually a better team than jinair now

I'd say Maru/Trap/Rogue is definitely still better than Cure/PartinG/Dark. And Jin Air also has sOs for rotation. Their non-Korean players are probably pretty similar.

Hell I might be entirely wrong but Jin Air feels like an ‘actual’ team, that shoutout each other for helping with their victories or whatever.

DPG and all of these Chinese teams feel just like a couple of star Koreans under a loose banner.

Not a criticism of theirs, if anything the majority of ‘teams’ in SC2 fit that bill.


I would say not all of them are, at least TSG and LP have shown great team climate.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 02 2019 16:45 GMT
#29
On December 03 2019 00:36 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2019 22:40 Obamarauder wrote:
DPG vs Jinair rivalry now? Both teams got high profile players from each race. think DPG is actually a better team than jinair now

I'd say Maru/Trap/Rogue is definitely still better than Cure/PartinG/Dark. And Jin Air also has sOs for rotation. Their non-Korean players are probably pretty similar.


Firefly should be better than Rex, to be honest. Yes, JAGW still has the best roster but not by far anymore.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
December 02 2019 16:49 GMT
#30
On December 03 2019 01:45 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2019 00:36 Elentos wrote:
On December 02 2019 22:40 Obamarauder wrote:
DPG vs Jinair rivalry now? Both teams got high profile players from each race. think DPG is actually a better team than jinair now

I'd say Maru/Trap/Rogue is definitely still better than Cure/PartinG/Dark. And Jin Air also has sOs for rotation. Their non-Korean players are probably pretty similar.


Firefly should be better than Rex, to be honest. Yes, JAGW still has the best roster but not by far anymore.

Which is good. They shouldn't auto-win every season of CTC where they don't forget to get visas for the offline finals.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33360 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-03 01:42:30
December 03 2019 01:40 GMT
#31
On December 03 2019 00:41 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2019 00:36 Elentos wrote:
On December 02 2019 22:40 Obamarauder wrote:
DPG vs Jinair rivalry now? Both teams got high profile players from each race. think DPG is actually a better team than jinair now

I'd say Maru/Trap/Rogue is definitely still better than Cure/PartinG/Dark. And Jin Air also has sOs for rotation. Their non-Korean players are probably pretty similar.

Hell I might be entirely wrong but Jin Air feels like an ‘actual’ team, that shoutout each other for helping with their victories or whatever.

DPG and all of these Chinese teams feel just like a couple of star Koreans under a loose banner.

Not a criticism of theirs, if anything the majority of ‘teams’ in SC2 fit that bill.


Well, I think that's to be expected given the current scope of team competition. But Proleague fans can hope that the team league scene continues to grow, and maybe we see the return of teams as more cohesive units with a shared practice facility.

On December 03 2019 01:49 Elentos wrote:
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On December 03 2019 01:45 Xain0n wrote:
On December 03 2019 00:36 Elentos wrote:
On December 02 2019 22:40 Obamarauder wrote:
DPG vs Jinair rivalry now? Both teams got high profile players from each race. think DPG is actually a better team than jinair now

I'd say Maru/Trap/Rogue is definitely still better than Cure/PartinG/Dark. And Jin Air also has sOs for rotation. Their non-Korean players are probably pretty similar.


Firefly should be better than Rex, to be honest. Yes, JAGW still has the best roster but not by far anymore.

Which is good. They shouldn't auto-win every season of CTC where they don't forget to get visas for the offline finals.


I think having JAG as the unbeatable boss could set up a nice storyline, where there's a real arms race to stock up and beat them. Their dominance doesn't particularly bore me (yet).
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
LuckyGnomTV
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Russian Federation367 Posts
December 04 2019 13:29 GMT
#32
idk.. keeping trap and kicking cure that's a questionable decision imho
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-04 14:06:52
December 04 2019 13:47 GMT
#33
On December 04 2019 22:29 LuckyGnomTV wrote:
idk.. keeping trap and kicking cure that's a questionable decision imho


If you look at the recent results, keeping sOs and kicking Cure is questionable.
Why would you kick Trap, a player who in 2019 reached two Code S finals, held the #2 spot in GSL's ranking and has(had?) the best PvT in the world?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25123 Posts
December 04 2019 14:00 GMT
#34
On December 04 2019 22:29 LuckyGnomTV wrote:
idk.. keeping trap and kicking cure that's a questionable decision imho

Do you have a reason for this?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
December 05 2019 01:05 GMT
#35
So they re-signed their big 4 and downsized the rest.

Sucks, but it's not exactly super surprising.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
December 06 2019 01:23 GMT
#36
On December 02 2019 19:38 Wombat_NI wrote:
Creator

His builds were the basis of my PvT play all those years ago, when he was this young exciting prospect. Never really pushed on to that next level though sadly


He won the WCS 2012 Korean Finals and TSL4. I'd say he reached the top level.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-06 15:46:44
December 06 2019 15:46 GMT
#37
On December 06 2019 10:23 BronzeKnee wrote:
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On December 02 2019 19:38 Wombat_NI wrote:
Creator

His builds were the basis of my PvT play all those years ago, when he was this young exciting prospect. Never really pushed on to that next level though sadly


He won the WCS 2012 Korean Finals and TSL4. I'd say he reached the top level.

Not on the level we expected. IIRC in 2011-2012 we looked at life, taeja and creator as future all time greats (can't remember exactly how they were initially noticed maybe from those weekly and daily korean tournaments like ESV?). Taeja and life realized their potential and had continued success for years while creator crashed and burned after 2012.

At one point this was how Creator was regarded:

"The Heir of Aiur

(P)CreatorPrime will be the best Protoss in the world one day. MC, Seed, Rain, Parting, Squirtle, Hero, whatever. Doesn't matter. I don't care if Bisu rises back from the depths of despair and wins the GSL along with the OSL, Creator one day will be the best Protoss in the universe. He was already close to that title a few months ago with his victory in WCS Korea, taking down the now considered #1 Protoss Rain, and beating Squirtle, another contender for the title, in the finals, but his hype died down when he couldn't qualify for the fourth season of GSL and didn't do amazingly at the Asian finals for WCS.

Now getting back to Code S for the second time in his career, he'll take his shot at grabbing that Protoss crown. With Rain blowing off GSL to get sixth place at MLG Dallas, Squirtle slumping and losing to foreigners constantly at international tournaments, and MC not even in this season's tournament, Creator has a chance along with a few other Protoss like Parting and Seed to confirm their place on top.

TSL4 and WCS Korea champion, Creator wants more. His first blip on the scene was over a year ago in the Super Tournament against fellow group mate Mvp in the first round. Creator, then a 14-year-old newbie that was simply canon fodder for Mvp, actually gave the GSL champion a fright, putting on an epic three game series that the champion finally closed out against the green rookie. Creator is no longer that rookie Mvp faced in the Super Tournament, and he could even be considered a favorite if the two face off.
"

He's still shows flashes of brilliance like when he was able to consistently beat Zest (in his peak) in proleague. And he's still really young and not beyond a gumiho type run.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
December 06 2019 21:15 GMT
#38
On December 07 2019 00:46 royalroadweed wrote:
flashes of brilliance like when he was able to consistently beat Zest (in his peak) in proleague.


I will never forget Creator screaming in the booth with excitement when he beat Zest twice on a single day.

VOD: [Proleague 2015] Zest(KT) vs Creator(Prime) Set5 Catallena
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-06 21:44:49
December 06 2019 21:44 GMT
#39
On December 07 2019 06:15 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2019 00:46 royalroadweed wrote:
flashes of brilliance like when he was able to consistently beat Zest (in his peak) in proleague.


I will never forget Creator screaming in the booth with excitement when he beat Zest twice on a single day.

VOD: [Proleague 2015] Zest(KT) vs Creator(Prime) Set5 Catallena

If we're gonna be technical though this was like 3 games, a year after Zest peaked, when he wasn't even in Code S because he lost to TANGTANG,
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
NaRae
Profile Joined January 2017
Korea (South)48 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-10 02:40:39
December 10 2019 02:40 GMT
#40
Creator re-signs JinAir today
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 10 2019 02:48 GMT
#41
It feels weird but that's good for Creator, even if he might have benefitted from getting out of the teamhouse and embracing a new challenge.
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
December 10 2019 02:50 GMT
#42
Gosh, why they first release him and then sign again?
Not gonna complain, happy to see Creator on a team :D
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
computez1000
Profile Joined December 2019
Vietnam1 Post
December 10 2019 02:53 GMT
#43
--- Nuked ---
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
December 10 2019 03:27 GMT
#44
On December 10 2019 11:40 NaRae wrote:
Creator re-signs JinAir today
https://twitter.com/JinAirGW/status/1204227960430944257


Phiew, the dishes were starting to pile up
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