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Czech Republic12128 Posts
On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up.
Teamkills are weird because we do't know what the team ordered players to do(I'm not saying they did, I'm saying we don't know)
Edit> Upon some reactions I will add the clarifications here too. I don't mean matchfixing per se, but, for example, hiding the best builds they have or a ban to prepare snipe builds.
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On September 23 2019 02:36 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up. Teamkills are weird because we do't know what the team ordered players to do(I'm not saying they did, I'm saying we don't know)
You shouldn't suggest that a series was possibly thrown without a solid basis.
Considering both players are already qualified for the Global Finals, the only thing outside of money and prestige that anyone could possibly care about is avoiding ending up 4th in the Korean standings to not be put in a group with Serral which is more of a possibility for Maru than Trap since Maru is currently in 4th.
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On September 22 2019 09:10 Nakajin wrote:
Is Trap the best Korean player of the year?
If Zest got best korean over soO in 2014, then no (unless Trap wins this GSL I guess, but that isn't happening). Although it's not unlike TL to change their deciding factors for best player between years.
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Btw if Classic is allowed to go blizzcon then we're very likely gonna get a Serral-Stats-Maru ro16 group at blizzcon. Aka the three best players of the last two years.
On the plus side that also means none of them could eliminate eachother in playoffs until the finals. No Maru Serral bracket rigging would be necessary this year.
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On September 23 2019 05:20 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2019 09:10 Nakajin wrote:
Is Trap the best Korean player of the year? If Zest got best korean over soO in 2014, then no (unless Trap wins this GSL I guess, but that isn't happening). Although it's not unlike TL to change their deciding factors for best player between years.
That's not comparable. Zest that year won 3 Korean tournaments and made at worst top 8 in all the others, was a top player in Proleague and made the finals of IEM Toronto. Zest was as obvious as it gets for that choice at the time. No Korean this year has won more than 1 meaningful tournament. But Dark still trumps Trap in achievements if he doesn't win Code S.
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Trap has been playing very well recently. I hope this serves to improve his reputation which has honestly been underrated for a long time.
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Guys.. I just realized... if the standings stay as they are for Korea... Maru and Serral would be in the same group. BUT... Classic isn’t going to BlizzCon according to Artosis 😬 We missed AGAIN
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On September 23 2019 02:36 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up. Teamkills are weird because we do't know what the team ordered players to do(I'm not saying they did, I'm saying we don't know)
Yeah I'm sure the players would agree to match fix after -redacted- got erased from all time.
honestly listen to yourself.
without solid basis, it wouldn't even cross my mind.
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Northern Ireland23756 Posts
On September 23 2019 15:27 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2019 02:36 deacon.frost wrote:On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up. Teamkills are weird because we do't know what the team ordered players to do(I'm not saying they did, I'm saying we don't know) Yeah I'm sure the players would agree to match fix after -redacted- got erased from all time. honestly listen to yourself. without solid basis, it wouldn't even cross my mind.
Can’t remember where it came up, JAGW players don’t help each other if there’s a team kill and they just ladder (and presumably get in other practice partners)
Which makes a lot of sense in terms of team harmony.
According to Maru it was Rogue’s mid-series advice to not use mech against Rag and he switched to using bio and looked far better, some of the best play I’ve seen in ages.
Not sure what in Maru’s practice was working to make him think going mass Thors was better than his bio but the prompt definitely worked and he’d obviously kept his bio game in shape too.
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Czech Republic12128 Posts
On September 23 2019 15:27 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2019 02:36 deacon.frost wrote:On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up. Teamkills are weird because we do't know what the team ordered players to do(I'm not saying they did, I'm saying we don't know) Yeah I'm sure the players would agree to match fix after -redacted- got erased from all time. honestly listen to yourself. without solid basis, it wouldn't even cross my mind.
You're putting something in my hands I didn't write(and the other person either). They could have said to Maru he can save his top builds(and the same applied to Trap) etc. It doesn't have to be matchfixing right away, don't think so binary...
Edit> I accept the fact my post should have been worder better
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On September 23 2019 02:36 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up. Teamkills are weird because we do't know what the team ordered players to do(I'm not saying they did, I'm saying we don't know)
Dude. You are kinda implying match fixing here. Careful now. Slippery slope
EDIT: You already anwsered this. Nevermind 
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On September 23 2019 05:37 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2019 05:20 Fango wrote:On September 22 2019 09:10 Nakajin wrote:
Is Trap the best Korean player of the year? If Zest got best korean over soO in 2014, then no (unless Trap wins this GSL I guess, but that isn't happening). Although it's not unlike TL to change their deciding factors for best player between years. That's not comparable. Zest that year won 3 Korean tournaments and made at worst top 8 in all the others, was a top player in Proleague and made the finals of IEM Toronto. Zest was as obvious as it gets for that choice at the time. No Korean this year has won more than 1 meaningful tournament. But Dark still trumps Trap in achievements if he doesn't win Code S.
soO was better overall in Code S than anyone else, including Zest. The difference was he didn't actually win any tournaments. Same goes for Trap.
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On September 23 2019 18:54 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2019 02:36 deacon.frost wrote:On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up. Teamkills are weird because we do't know what the team ordered players to do(I'm not saying they did, I'm saying we don't know) Dude. You are kinda implying match fixing here. Careful now. Slippery slope
Teams have been doing wierd things like that since forever. For example the soO vs Classic finals were SKT apparently ordered them not to practice for eachother and to focus on proleague/other matches.
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Czech Republic12128 Posts
On September 23 2019 18:54 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2019 02:36 deacon.frost wrote:On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up. Teamkills are weird because we do't know what the team ordered players to do(I'm not saying they did, I'm saying we don't know) Dude. You are kinda implying match fixing here. Careful now. Slippery slope EDIT: You already anwsered this. Nevermind
Yeah, I added some more details to the original post so we will not have this kind of posting again
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On September 23 2019 16:37 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2019 15:27 FataLe wrote:On September 23 2019 02:36 deacon.frost wrote:On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up. Teamkills are weird because we do't know what the team ordered players to do(I'm not saying they did, I'm saying we don't know) Yeah I'm sure the players would agree to match fix after -redacted- got erased from all time. honestly listen to yourself. without solid basis, it wouldn't even cross my mind. You're putting something in my hands I didn't write(and the other person either). They could have said to Maru he can save his top builds(and the same applied to Trap) etc. It doesn't have to be matchfixing right away, don't think so binary... Edit> I accept the fact my post should have been worder better
Fair enough mate, there was another guy the other day insinuating that maru "sort of" let SOS get the better of him. Guess I'm on edge about it. My bad.
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Czech Republic12128 Posts
On September 23 2019 19:04 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2019 16:37 deacon.frost wrote:On September 23 2019 15:27 FataLe wrote:On September 23 2019 02:36 deacon.frost wrote:On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up. Teamkills are weird because we do't know what the team ordered players to do(I'm not saying they did, I'm saying we don't know) Yeah I'm sure the players would agree to match fix after -redacted- got erased from all time. honestly listen to yourself. without solid basis, it wouldn't even cross my mind. You're putting something in my hands I didn't write(and the other person either). They could have said to Maru he can save his top builds(and the same applied to Trap) etc. It doesn't have to be matchfixing right away, don't think so binary... Edit> I accept the fact my post should have been worder better Fair enough mate, there was another guy the other day insinuating that maru "sort of" let SOS get the better of him. Guess I'm on edge about it. My bad.
No worries, I should post after I wake up not when I open my eyes  The post is worded poorly. (edit> I mean my post which started the discussion, I added an edit there)
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Northern Ireland23756 Posts
On September 23 2019 18:57 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2019 18:54 Harris1st wrote:On September 23 2019 02:36 deacon.frost wrote:On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up. Teamkills are weird because we do't know what the team ordered players to do(I'm not saying they did, I'm saying we don't know) Dude. You are kinda implying match fixing here. Careful now. Slippery slope Teams have been doing wierd things like that since forever. For example the soO vs Classic finals were SKT apparently ordered them not to practice for eachother and to focus on proleague/other matches.
That does makes some sense for a team though, SC2 has always felt more individually focused, especially in foreign land but Proleague was the bigger deal for the bean counters and whatnot, plus had that long running prestige. If SKT have a guaranteed StarLeague winner wearing their colours and sponsors, then why not focus on the stuff you haven’t won?
That said I don’t think it’s a great move in terms of the morale of your employees to lessen their chances of the prestige of being a StarLeague champion with all the prestige and accomplishment that entails. If it were me I’d feel extremely jaded that I wasn’t allowed to practice fully for one final series: From soO’s revealing interviews it does seem that did happen with him and SKT in terms of a breakdown in relations although I don’t recall him listing that finals as a reason.
With JAGW their policy of not having their players prep each other when there’s a team kill I think that’s eminently sensible though. It could get very cliquey if people favoured certain players and helped them out more than you, or that perception existed.
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On September 23 2019 00:44 Kitai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2019 18:25 blooblooblahblah wrote:On September 22 2019 13:59 Kitai wrote:On September 22 2019 11:09 StarcraftSquall wrote:
At the risk of starting a hot debate: is Trap our best Protoss this year? 🤔
Terran and Zerg have their champions in Maru and Serral. Could Trap be the Protoss answer when we ask who is the best at their race? 👀 It's definitely a question worthy of debate. In my mind, Stats takes the title of best LotV protoss and best protoss of 2019, but Trap has been super impressive lately and I'd happily revisit that opinion after his finals match or after Blizzcon. Stats is definitely the best LotV Protoss but im unsure how you could come up with a decent argument for him being best protoss of 2019. Obviously winning Assembly and 2nd at Katowice were really nice, but they're gems in what has otherwise been a pretty average year for Stats. Bombing out of Ro32 in GSL and not getting past Ro16 all year, plus a pretty mediocre Super Tournament appearance. When Stats has looked good, he's looked good, and while I still think his form is way up there, his lack of consistency through the year has to take him out of the running for me. Trap now has reached 2/3 GSL Finals for the year and a Ro4 in the other one. That is pretty insane. He disappointed slightly in the weekenders but he did equal Stats' GSL vs The World run. Meanwhile you have Classic with a GSL Final, a Ro4 GSL, a Ro4 GSL vs the world and a Super Tournament win. I can see how someone could scrape Stats into the discussion but I'm shocked that anyone would actually put him first. I actually forgot Classic won the super tournament, so I take it back. My argument for Stats was that he was the only one to actually win anything (not to mention he's the only protoss to knock Serral out of a tournament in 2019). But you're right, I think Classic takes the cake right now.
Stats still bombed out of every GSL so I still don't see how a tournament win puts him as the best Protoss of the year, or even 2nd best.
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Canada8988 Posts
Trap is now 3-16 in his last 4 grand final, I think we can safely say he ain't no protag
edit: oups wrong thread
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On September 29 2019 02:41 Nakajin wrote:
Trap is now 3-16 in his last 4 grand final, I think we can safely say he ain't no protag
edit: oups wrong thread
Well, is Dark a protagonist? Is soO? Their record in even worse, yet they are top players and revered as such.
Trap in 2019 was top tier despite not winning a single title, he will hopefully have other opportunities to shine.
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