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On September 22 2019 11:09 StarcraftSquall wrote:
At the risk of starting a hot debate: is Trap our best Protoss this year? 🤔
Terran and Zerg have their champions in Maru and Serral. Could Trap be the Protoss answer when we ask who is the best at their race? 👀
It's definitely a question worthy of debate. In my mind, Stats takes the title of best LotV protoss and best protoss of 2019, but Trap has been super impressive lately and I'd happily revisit that opinion after his finals match or after Blizzcon.
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well can I say congratulations to Rogue in adcance?
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I quite enjoy when a Protoss makes Artosis salty. 😄
It’s a double standard - when Maru goes proxy crazy every other game it’s fine but a proxy DT rush that you know you can pull off makes you the lowest form of scum? It was brilliant strategy.
Hopefully Trap can finish this off - he’s been perhaps the most consistent Korean Pro all year and it would nice to see him get rewarded for all that effort.
Plus, a Terran and a Zerg have already won Code S this year. 🙃
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I have not been sure about Trap, even though he has done really well. Now i am sure, that he is a top level player. GG
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Very surprised Maru didn't do any proxy in every game
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On September 22 2019 13:59 Kitai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2019 11:09 StarcraftSquall wrote:
At the risk of starting a hot debate: is Trap our best Protoss this year? 🤔
Terran and Zerg have their champions in Maru and Serral. Could Trap be the Protoss answer when we ask who is the best at their race? 👀 It's definitely a question worthy of debate. In my mind, Stats takes the title of best LotV protoss and best protoss of 2019, but Trap has been super impressive lately and I'd happily revisit that opinion after his finals match or after Blizzcon.
Stats is definitely the best LotV Protoss but im unsure how you could come up with a decent argument for him being best protoss of 2019. Obviously winning Assembly and 2nd at Katowice were really nice, but they're gems in what has otherwise been a pretty average year for Stats. Bombing out of Ro32 in GSL and not getting past Ro16 all year, plus a pretty mediocre Super Tournament appearance. When Stats has looked good, he's looked good, and while I still think his form is way up there, his lack of consistency through the year has to take him out of the running for me.
Trap now has reached 2/3 GSL Finals for the year and a Ro4 in the other one. That is pretty insane. He disappointed slightly in the weekenders but he did equal Stats' GSL vs The World run. Meanwhile you have Classic with a GSL Final, a Ro4 GSL, a Ro4 GSL vs the world and a Super Tournament win. I can see how someone could scrape Stats into the discussion but I'm shocked that anyone would actually put him first.
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On September 22 2019 16:58 FBTsingLoong wrote:
well can I say congratulations to Rogue in adcance?
I bet you thought Maru was already in the finals.
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On September 22 2019 06:04 BisuDagger wrote:
I want to criticize Maru for losing again to another teammate, but instead we should give him major props for once again being the one Terran who can push the race to the limit. This series aside, he really stepped up.
He’s been infuriatingly inconsistent of late, but yeah for sure.
Ragnarok he showed absolutely stellar play, here he was just a bit meh. Not terrible like vs Stats in GSLvstW but a bit short of ideas when Trap seemed to have plenty.
Was odd really, normally Maru brings a ton of stuff to these series, here it was like he was queuing ladder. Didn’t play horribly by any means but you have to bring something more than that.
This season wasn’t bad for Terran play really, decent contingent got through to Ro16 or further.
TY showed some pretty nifty stuff and he pushed Dark hard. Seems doing the casting has eased some mental block and he’s back in form too.
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I really hope that Trap will win this GSL
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When Maru tries to play completely normal, it fails most of the time. It was so even when he was in his prime. It may sound naive, but I think that even SCV pull could be a solid option against what Trap was doing in this series.
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On September 22 2019 21:09 DrunkenSCV wrote:
When Maru tries to play completely normal, it fails most of the time. It was so even when he was in his prime. It may sound naive, but I think that even SCV pull could be a solid option against what Trap was doing in this series.
It’s hard to tell I guess. Put Inno doing one of his tank raven timings and that wrecks Trap when he was being really greedy. But that’s assuming Trap doesn’t adjust his builds to cover those holes
Regardless, not having such builds practiced to pull out in at least one series seems an oversight. Either a really crisp timing attack or a cheese, or something really in that domain. Just seemed Maru decided to play pretty standard and try to just outplay Trap and it didn’t come off for him this time.
Hindsight is remarkably accurate though, I mean Trap did beat Innovation and those timing attacks relatively recently in GSL, so perhaps Maru decided not to emulate builds that ultimately failed for Inno.
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On September 22 2019 21:09 DrunkenSCV wrote:
When Maru tries to play completely normal, it fails most of the time. It was so even when he was in his prime. It may sound naive, but I think that even SCV pull could be a solid option against what Trap was doing in this series.
trap went for a fast archon transition in his macro games which is normally the preferred counter to scv pull
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On September 22 2019 21:38 Wombat_NI wrote:
It’s hard to tell I guess. Put Inno doing one of his tank raven timings and that wrecks Trap when he was being really greedy. But that’s assuming Trap doesn’t adjust his builds to cover those holes
Regardless, not having such builds practiced to pull out in at least one series seems an oversight. Either a really crisp timing attack or a cheese, or something really in that domain. Just seemed Maru decided to play pretty standard and try to just outplay Trap and it didn’t come off for him this time.
Hindsight is remarkably accurate though, I mean Trap did beat Innovation and those timing attacks relatively recently in GSL, so perhaps Maru decided not to emulate builds that ultimately failed for Inno.
I think apart from his exceptional mechanics, the greatest strength of Maru was his ability to make things, that are not supposed to work, work. Like when he beat Trap's phoenix play with mass widow mine drops. He was like a magician, who knows and sees more than any sc2 player. But now he's like completely out of mana. To me the worst moment of this series was when he didn't read DTs, having enough information to be at least suspicious about what Trap was up to. Like he wasn't even thinking what was going on in the game.
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Trap performed much beyond my expectations rather I don't underestimate him or his preparation or efforts, but I was not sure how he'd answer to Maru's deadliest weapons. And he did answer with outstanding decisions, unit moves, nice arch/disruptor compositions, precise zealot amount in the right moment. Maru uses ravens just like no one does, but Trap was ready to avoid that by not letting Maru enters his natural (except the first match, the second match Trap was ready to meat him from two angles).
This makes the loss of Dark less painful for me because I already know that either Rogue or Trap deserve to win this season. Rogue is definitely fan favorite, Trap will add some good balance as T Z P winners three seasons in 2019. Honestly Trap has no serious major title yet and it'd be nice for him to finally become major champion.
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On September 22 2019 21:58 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2019 21:09 DrunkenSCV wrote:
When Maru tries to play completely normal, it fails most of the time. It was so even when he was in his prime. It may sound naive, but I think that even SCV pull could be a solid option against what Trap was doing in this series. trap went for a fast archon transition in his macro games which is normally the preferred counter to scv pull
Well, re-watching games 2 and 3 now, I have to agree that SCV pull was unlikely to work. I thought that Trap's phoenixes did not do much on Acropolis, but still his position was very solid. Uh... basically Trap played very safely for 10 minutes, then came to Maru and killed him. Hmmm... good builds.
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Trap is pretty consistent this year. 3rd/4th in gsl s1, 2nd in gsl s2. 1st perhaps in gsl s3?
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BEST PROTOSS IN THE WORLD
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On September 22 2019 18:25 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2019 13:59 Kitai wrote:On September 22 2019 11:09 StarcraftSquall wrote:
At the risk of starting a hot debate: is Trap our best Protoss this year? 🤔
Terran and Zerg have their champions in Maru and Serral. Could Trap be the Protoss answer when we ask who is the best at their race? 👀 It's definitely a question worthy of debate. In my mind, Stats takes the title of best LotV protoss and best protoss of 2019, but Trap has been super impressive lately and I'd happily revisit that opinion after his finals match or after Blizzcon. Stats is definitely the best LotV Protoss but im unsure how you could come up with a decent argument for him being best protoss of 2019. Obviously winning Assembly and 2nd at Katowice were really nice, but they're gems in what has otherwise been a pretty average year for Stats. Bombing out of Ro32 in GSL and not getting past Ro16 all year, plus a pretty mediocre Super Tournament appearance. When Stats has looked good, he's looked good, and while I still think his form is way up there, his lack of consistency through the year has to take him out of the running for me. Trap now has reached 2/3 GSL Finals for the year and a Ro4 in the other one. That is pretty insane. He disappointed slightly in the weekenders but he did equal Stats' GSL vs The World run. Meanwhile you have Classic with a GSL Final, a Ro4 GSL, a Ro4 GSL vs the world and a Super Tournament win. I can see how someone could scrape Stats into the discussion but I'm shocked that anyone would actually put him first.
I actually forgot Classic won the super tournament, so I take it back. My argument for Stats was that he was the only one to actually win anything (not to mention he's the only protoss to knock Serral out of a tournament in 2019). But you're right, I think Classic takes the cake right now.
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just wanted to ask where is Gemini but he showed up -.-
grats Trap, good luck in the finals.
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maru did well for terran T_T
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