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Code S RO4 Preview: Dark vs Rogue

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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 18 2019 01:51 GMT
#21
If ByuL can drop a map to a diamond player in a qualifier right before beating Dark to Ro4 a GSL supertournament I don't see why Ej_ couldn't take a map off Dark.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 18 2019 01:54 GMT
#22
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time
get rich or die mining
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burnturn
Profile Joined December 2015
United States59 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-18 02:28:05
September 18 2019 02:27 GMT
#23
On September 18 2019 07:05 ZertoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 04:52 Moonerz wrote:
Getting way ahead of myself here, but if Dark wins back to back GSLs would that diminish Maru's streak?



not at all, why would it?

did reynor winning 2 wcs events this year diminish serrals 4 from last year? or neebs 3 wcs wins in 2017?

Nothing against WCS and all but Reynor winning them wouldn't really diminish the streaj because honestly they didn't have much value in the first place.
sOs is best
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10124 Posts
September 18 2019 02:40 GMT
#24
i didnt thought about the lack of practice in ZvZ at the top level in Korea. nice read, thanks!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 18 2019 02:44 GMT
#25
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time


It depends on the tournament. For WCS Montreal you could have predicted most of the top 8 and the result of all the matches in the top 8 before the tournament even started.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 18 2019 02:50 GMT
#26
On September 18 2019 11:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time


It depends on the tournament. For WCS Montreal you could have predicted most of the top 8 and the result of all the matches in the top 8 before the tournament even started.

yeah but i mean in the gsl. like x player vs y player. i feel like there are so many variables and even though we know a lot about the players we are constantly surprised. who saw ragnorak rising up??
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 18 2019 03:22 GMT
#27
On September 18 2019 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 11:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time


It depends on the tournament. For WCS Montreal you could have predicted most of the top 8 and the result of all the matches in the top 8 before the tournament even started.

yeah but i mean in the gsl. like x player vs y player. i feel like there are so many variables and even though we know a lot about the players we are constantly surprised. who saw ragnorak rising up??


Well there have always been a few upsets. Based on Liquibets I don't think things are particularly different from previous GSLs. And the favourites did win every ro8 match.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 18 2019 03:32 GMT
#28
On September 18 2019 12:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:
On September 18 2019 11:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time


It depends on the tournament. For WCS Montreal you could have predicted most of the top 8 and the result of all the matches in the top 8 before the tournament even started.

yeah but i mean in the gsl. like x player vs y player. i feel like there are so many variables and even though we know a lot about the players we are constantly surprised. who saw ragnorak rising up??


Well there have always been a few upsets. Based on Liquibets I don't think things are particularly different from previous GSLs. And the favourites did win every ro8 match.

that the favorites won is insane in itself though, isn't it?? i am always looking to pick upsets based on what i see but calling sc2 is very hard. my liquibet is like 60% but it should be much lower. at this point i feel like i'm just throwing darts
get rich or die mining
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 18 2019 03:58 GMT
#29
On September 18 2019 12:32 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 12:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On September 18 2019 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:
On September 18 2019 11:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time


It depends on the tournament. For WCS Montreal you could have predicted most of the top 8 and the result of all the matches in the top 8 before the tournament even started.

yeah but i mean in the gsl. like x player vs y player. i feel like there are so many variables and even though we know a lot about the players we are constantly surprised. who saw ragnorak rising up??


Well there have always been a few upsets. Based on Liquibets I don't think things are particularly different from previous GSLs. And the favourites did win every ro8 match.

that the favorites won is insane in itself though, isn't it?? i am always looking to pick upsets based on what i see but calling sc2 is very hard. my liquibet is like 60% but it should be much lower. at this point i feel like i'm just throwing darts


Not really. The favourites all winning is the most likely outcome (though no individual outcome is 'likely' generally speaking). Let's just say that personally I don't feel like the amount of upsets has changed much, and the top Liquibetters are getting 70-something % of the points which is what usually happens.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
September 18 2019 05:46 GMT
#30
Rogue's ZvZ lategame is definitely more refined than Dark's, still hoping for a good match.
Mine gas, build tanks.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-18 06:15:25
September 18 2019 06:15 GMT
#31
On September 18 2019 10:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
If ByuL can drop a map to a diamond player in a qualifier right before beating Dark to Ro4 a GSL supertournament I don't see why Ej_ couldn't take a map off Dark.

Because Dark is a much better player than that freud patchzerg that barely beat an inactive low master spine rushing him.

#RyungWooNation
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2220 Posts
September 18 2019 06:59 GMT
#32
Go Dark
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12132 Posts
September 18 2019 07:29 GMT
#33
On September 18 2019 15:59 Edpayasugo wrote:
Go Dark

Go light! uh, no, Go Rogue!!!
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
September 18 2019 08:04 GMT
#34
On September 18 2019 15:15 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 10:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
If ByuL can drop a map to a diamond player in a qualifier right before beating Dark to Ro4 a GSL supertournament I don't see why Ej_ couldn't take a map off Dark.

Because Dark is a much better player than that freud patchzerg that barely beat an inactive low master spine rushing him.

#RyungWooNation


What's a Freud Patchzerg?

Intriguing, I must say.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
paloma_rivers
Profile Joined September 2019
8 Posts
September 18 2019 08:56 GMT
#35
confirmed writer hates Dark
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18406 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-18 09:02:23
September 18 2019 08:57 GMT
#36
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time

I can predict Serral to win. And Reynor to win vs any not-Serral foreigner.

E: I guess a bit less flippant: just predict favourites win and you'll be right most of the time and wrong some. Just as it has always been. I guess the main difference is that with Maru's return to earth, it's hard to point out anybody who is really a clear favourite in Korea... and ZvZ is a hard mirror to predict without Nestea or Life towering above the rest of their race.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7350 Posts
September 18 2019 09:29 GMT
#37
Ma Boi Dark got this, but I want a close series, so 4:3 it is
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12132 Posts
September 18 2019 09:36 GMT
#38
On September 18 2019 17:57 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time

I can predict Serral to win. And Reynor to win vs any not-Serral foreigner.

E: I guess a bit less flippant: just predict favourites win and you'll be right most of the time and wrong some. Just as it has always been. I guess the main difference is that with Maru's return to earth, it's hard to point out anybody who is really a clear favourite in Korea... and ZvZ is a hard mirror to predict without Nestea or Life towering above the rest of their race.

Unless it's the beginning of a slump it's quite easy to predict if you know the player.

e.g. Dark, Trap, ZestvP, Maru, Stats. But sometimes their enemies can surprise - Patience is a good example. Many "Korean elitists" were warning everybody that Patience can surprise. And he did.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 18 2019 09:47 GMT
#39
Who did you practise with?
Rogue: "Solar"
Dark: "I practised hard"
MaxPax
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
September 18 2019 10:04 GMT
#40
"Hey Scarlett, Dark here. Biiiig fan."
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