• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:18
CEST 04:18
KST 11:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 236ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion0BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion0Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL CK #5 Race War
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch 60% Keyboards Viable for Starcraft?
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9956 users

Code S RO4 Preview: Dark vs Rogue

Forum Index > SC2 General
39 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 All last
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 18 2019 01:51 GMT
#21
If ByuL can drop a map to a diamond player in a qualifier right before beating Dark to Ro4 a GSL supertournament I don't see why Ej_ couldn't take a map off Dark.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 18 2019 01:54 GMT
#22
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
burnturn
Profile Joined December 2015
United States59 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-18 02:28:05
September 18 2019 02:27 GMT
#23
On September 18 2019 07:05 ZertoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 04:52 Moonerz wrote:
Getting way ahead of myself here, but if Dark wins back to back GSLs would that diminish Maru's streak?



not at all, why would it?

did reynor winning 2 wcs events this year diminish serrals 4 from last year? or neebs 3 wcs wins in 2017?

Nothing against WCS and all but Reynor winning them wouldn't really diminish the streaj because honestly they didn't have much value in the first place.
sOs is best
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10121 Posts
September 18 2019 02:40 GMT
#24
i didnt thought about the lack of practice in ZvZ at the top level in Korea. nice read, thanks!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 18 2019 02:44 GMT
#25
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time


It depends on the tournament. For WCS Montreal you could have predicted most of the top 8 and the result of all the matches in the top 8 before the tournament even started.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 18 2019 02:50 GMT
#26
On September 18 2019 11:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time


It depends on the tournament. For WCS Montreal you could have predicted most of the top 8 and the result of all the matches in the top 8 before the tournament even started.

yeah but i mean in the gsl. like x player vs y player. i feel like there are so many variables and even though we know a lot about the players we are constantly surprised. who saw ragnorak rising up??
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 18 2019 03:22 GMT
#27
On September 18 2019 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 11:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time


It depends on the tournament. For WCS Montreal you could have predicted most of the top 8 and the result of all the matches in the top 8 before the tournament even started.

yeah but i mean in the gsl. like x player vs y player. i feel like there are so many variables and even though we know a lot about the players we are constantly surprised. who saw ragnorak rising up??


Well there have always been a few upsets. Based on Liquibets I don't think things are particularly different from previous GSLs. And the favourites did win every ro8 match.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 18 2019 03:32 GMT
#28
On September 18 2019 12:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:
On September 18 2019 11:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time


It depends on the tournament. For WCS Montreal you could have predicted most of the top 8 and the result of all the matches in the top 8 before the tournament even started.

yeah but i mean in the gsl. like x player vs y player. i feel like there are so many variables and even though we know a lot about the players we are constantly surprised. who saw ragnorak rising up??


Well there have always been a few upsets. Based on Liquibets I don't think things are particularly different from previous GSLs. And the favourites did win every ro8 match.

that the favorites won is insane in itself though, isn't it?? i am always looking to pick upsets based on what i see but calling sc2 is very hard. my liquibet is like 60% but it should be much lower. at this point i feel like i'm just throwing darts
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 18 2019 03:58 GMT
#29
On September 18 2019 12:32 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 12:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On September 18 2019 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:
On September 18 2019 11:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time


It depends on the tournament. For WCS Montreal you could have predicted most of the top 8 and the result of all the matches in the top 8 before the tournament even started.

yeah but i mean in the gsl. like x player vs y player. i feel like there are so many variables and even though we know a lot about the players we are constantly surprised. who saw ragnorak rising up??


Well there have always been a few upsets. Based on Liquibets I don't think things are particularly different from previous GSLs. And the favourites did win every ro8 match.

that the favorites won is insane in itself though, isn't it?? i am always looking to pick upsets based on what i see but calling sc2 is very hard. my liquibet is like 60% but it should be much lower. at this point i feel like i'm just throwing darts


Not really. The favourites all winning is the most likely outcome (though no individual outcome is 'likely' generally speaking). Let's just say that personally I don't feel like the amount of upsets has changed much, and the top Liquibetters are getting 70-something % of the points which is what usually happens.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
September 18 2019 05:46 GMT
#30
Rogue's ZvZ lategame is definitely more refined than Dark's, still hoping for a good match.
Mine gas, build tanks.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-18 06:15:25
September 18 2019 06:15 GMT
#31
On September 18 2019 10:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
If ByuL can drop a map to a diamond player in a qualifier right before beating Dark to Ro4 a GSL supertournament I don't see why Ej_ couldn't take a map off Dark.

Because Dark is a much better player than that freud patchzerg that barely beat an inactive low master spine rushing him.

#RyungWooNation
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2220 Posts
September 18 2019 06:59 GMT
#32
Go Dark
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12131 Posts
September 18 2019 07:29 GMT
#33
On September 18 2019 15:59 Edpayasugo wrote:
Go Dark

Go light! uh, no, Go Rogue!!!
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
September 18 2019 08:04 GMT
#34
On September 18 2019 15:15 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 10:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
If ByuL can drop a map to a diamond player in a qualifier right before beating Dark to Ro4 a GSL supertournament I don't see why Ej_ couldn't take a map off Dark.

Because Dark is a much better player than that freud patchzerg that barely beat an inactive low master spine rushing him.

#RyungWooNation


What's a Freud Patchzerg?

Intriguing, I must say.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
paloma_rivers
Profile Joined September 2019
8 Posts
September 18 2019 08:56 GMT
#35
confirmed writer hates Dark
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18356 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-18 09:02:23
September 18 2019 08:57 GMT
#36
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time

I can predict Serral to win. And Reynor to win vs any not-Serral foreigner.

E: I guess a bit less flippant: just predict favourites win and you'll be right most of the time and wrong some. Just as it has always been. I guess the main difference is that with Maru's return to earth, it's hard to point out anybody who is really a clear favourite in Korea... and ZvZ is a hard mirror to predict without Nestea or Life towering above the rest of their race.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7304 Posts
September 18 2019 09:29 GMT
#37
Ma Boi Dark got this, but I want a close series, so 4:3 it is
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12131 Posts
September 18 2019 09:36 GMT
#38
On September 18 2019 17:57 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2019 10:54 Alejandrisha wrote:
should be a good series. i'm afraid to predict a winner because i know it will cause my pick to lose. can people actually predict sc2 outcomes anymore? it seems like a coinflip every time

I can predict Serral to win. And Reynor to win vs any not-Serral foreigner.

E: I guess a bit less flippant: just predict favourites win and you'll be right most of the time and wrong some. Just as it has always been. I guess the main difference is that with Maru's return to earth, it's hard to point out anybody who is really a clear favourite in Korea... and ZvZ is a hard mirror to predict without Nestea or Life towering above the rest of their race.

Unless it's the beginning of a slump it's quite easy to predict if you know the player.

e.g. Dark, Trap, ZestvP, Maru, Stats. But sometimes their enemies can surprise - Patience is a good example. Many "Korean elitists" were warning everybody that Patience can surprise. And he did.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 18 2019 09:47 GMT
#39
Who did you practise with?
Rogue: "Solar"
Dark: "I practised hard"
MaxPax
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
September 18 2019 10:04 GMT
#40
"Hey Scarlett, Dark here. Biiiig fan."
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
1 2 All last
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Crank Gathers S4: Group Stage
CranKy Ducklings91
LiquipediaDiscussion
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
23:00
FSL Team League S11 POG vs ASH
Liquipedia
OSC
22:00
Vespene Cup #1
SteadfastSC138
davetesta24
Liquipedia
The PiG Daily
21:35
Best Games of HSC
SKillous vs SerralLIVE!
ShoWTimE vs Arrogfire
TBD vs Elazer
Reynor vs Jumy
PiGStarcraft520
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft532
ViBE210
WinterStarcraft210
NeuroSwarm 191
RuFF_SC2 146
SteadfastSC 135
UpATreeSC 64
JuggernautJason25
StarCraft: Brood War
Terrorterran 4
Jaeyun 2
Counter-Strike
summit1g9583
C9.Mang0344
taco 296
Other Games
JimRising 524
Maynarde126
Mew2King115
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick36971
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21713
League of Legends
• Stunt252
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
6h 42m
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
7h 42m
Afreeca Starleague
7h 42m
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
SC Evo League
9h 42m
ByuN vs Classic
Cure vs Solar
IPSL
13h 42m
Dragon vs Ret
Patches Events
13h 42m
RSL Revival
1d 6h
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 7h
IPSL
1d 13h
Bonyth vs Hawk
GSL
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.