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gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2627 Posts
June 14 2019 12:48 GMT
#21
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 14 2019 13:59 GMT
#22
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.

herO is a 6-time premier tournament winner, Solar is a 5-time premier tournament winner, Rogue is a 2-time world champion, 2 time Blizzcon round of 4, and 2 additional premier tournament champion, and none of them have made a GSL finals. Dark is not leagues above any of them in terms of overall performance if you put value in being the best player in the world at a specific time over consistently being good.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-14 14:59:02
June 14 2019 14:57 GMT
#23
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.

Taeja - 11 weekenders, 2 GSL ro4s

Solar - SSL 1st, SSL 2nd, SSL 3rd, 4 weekenders

Bomber - 4 weekenders

Polt - 7 weekenders, 1 GSL ro4

Rogue - 2x world champ, 2 weekenders

Serral - 1 world champ, 1 weekender

Dream - 2x SSL 2nd

herO - 5 weekenders, 1 SSL, 1 GSL ro4

I'd definitely put Dark ahead of any of those, with his 21 ro4+ finishes in what are almost all extremely stacked events. Including 4 GSL ro4s, 3 SSL finals (inc one win), and a blizzcon finals. Not to mention being almost always the best or second best zerg for like four years now.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
June 14 2019 14:59 GMT
#24
Maybe Dark is more prepared for those Immortal Sentry all-ins, unlike Rogue in the Super Tournament
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 14 2019 15:34 GMT
#25
Are you guys seriously arguing that Taeja was somehow better than Dark? Are you stuchiu alts or just memeing or what? I can understand talking about herO or even Rogue, but I still consider Dark much better if taken over the span of his sc2 career.

Anyway, I hope that when the last GSL comes, the finals will be inno vs. dark.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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freelifeffs
Profile Joined April 2018
97 Posts
June 14 2019 15:36 GMT
#26
dark is gonna get protossed. hurricane is in much, much, much better form than her0 and also probably has an incredible motivation to show the world he has what it takes to win it all. his practise and preparation will be insane.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
June 14 2019 16:15 GMT
#27
On June 14 2019 21:48 gTank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so

Exactly. The correct answer is Serral.
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 14 2019 16:54 GMT
#28
On June 15 2019 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 21:48 gTank wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so

Exactly. The correct answer is Serral.

No, it really isn't. Serral has won only 3 tournaments with major Korean representation. (Blizzcon, GSL vs. The World, and HomeStory Cup). That's a great argument for best non-Korean of all time but it is well below what a bunch of Koreans have accomplished.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
June 14 2019 17:10 GMT
#29
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?


Serral? :D
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17738 Posts
June 14 2019 17:56 GMT
#30
On June 14 2019 23:57 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.

Taeja - 11 weekenders, 2 GSL ro4s

Solar - SSL 1st, SSL 2nd, SSL 3rd, 4 weekenders

Bomber - 4 weekenders

Polt - 7 weekenders, 1 GSL ro4

Rogue - 2x world champ, 2 weekenders

Serral - 1 world champ, 1 weekender

Dream - 2x SSL 2nd

herO - 5 weekenders, 1 SSL, 1 GSL ro4

I'd definitely put Dark ahead of any of those, with his 21 ro4+ finishes in what are almost all extremely stacked events. Including 4 GSL ro4s, 3 SSL finals (inc one win), and a blizzcon finals. Not to mention being almost always the best or second best zerg for like four years now.

Polt won a GSL Super Tournament (Wiki)2011 GSL Super Tournament/Final8

I think it's definitely between Taeja or Dark
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Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
June 14 2019 18:08 GMT
#31
>No wonder TL.net users predictions are giving Dark over a 7-to-1 advantage.

Wait, you can see the predictions before the result as a regular user?
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 14 2019 18:34 GMT
#32
On June 15 2019 02:56 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 23:57 Fango wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.

Taeja - 11 weekenders, 2 GSL ro4s

Solar - SSL 1st, SSL 2nd, SSL 3rd, 4 weekenders

Bomber - 4 weekenders

Polt - 7 weekenders, 1 GSL ro4

Rogue - 2x world champ, 2 weekenders

Serral - 1 world champ, 1 weekender

Dream - 2x SSL 2nd

herO - 5 weekenders, 1 SSL, 1 GSL ro4

I'd definitely put Dark ahead of any of those, with his 21 ro4+ finishes in what are almost all extremely stacked events. Including 4 GSL ro4s, 3 SSL finals (inc one win), and a blizzcon finals. Not to mention being almost always the best or second best zerg for like four years now.

Polt won a GSL Super Tournament (Wiki)2011 GSL Super Tournament/Final8

I think it's definitely between Taeja or Dark

Super Tournaments don't count as a GSL Code S, and if they did, then Dark wouldn't be on the list because he's been to a Super Tournament final.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 14 2019 19:02 GMT
#33
On June 15 2019 01:54 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2019 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:48 gTank wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so

Exactly. The correct answer is Serral.

No, it really isn't. Serral has won only 3 tournaments with major Korean representation. (Blizzcon, GSL vs. The World, and HomeStory Cup). That's a great argument for best non-Korean of all time but it is well below what a bunch of Koreans have accomplished.


If that's the metric you're using, Dark's a chump because he has only won a single tournament with major Korean representation (2016 SSL Season 1).
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
June 14 2019 19:03 GMT
#34
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


I think you're forgetting Clide.
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Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
June 14 2019 19:39 GMT
#35
Dark is the most consistent top player, always reaching top 4 and always losing by the narrowest margin. (unless its serral)
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-14 20:19:56
June 14 2019 20:19 GMT
#36
On June 15 2019 04:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2019 01:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 15 2019 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:48 gTank wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so

Exactly. The correct answer is Serral.

No, it really isn't. Serral has won only 3 tournaments with major Korean representation. (Blizzcon, GSL vs. The World, and HomeStory Cup). That's a great argument for best non-Korean of all time but it is well below what a bunch of Koreans have accomplished.


If that's the metric you're using, Dark's a chump because he has only won a single tournament with major Korean representation (2016 SSL Season 1).

Dark has done well in countless other tournaments with Koreans. Serral has not.
Dark's offline record vs. South Korean players: 178-98
Serral's offline record vs. South Korean players: 36-36
Freeborn
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany421 Posts
June 14 2019 20:23 GMT
#37
Hurricane 4-2 Dark.

Now you know.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 14 2019 21:29 GMT
#38
On June 15 2019 04:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2019 01:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 15 2019 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:48 gTank wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so

Exactly. The correct answer is Serral.

No, it really isn't. Serral has won only 3 tournaments with major Korean representation. (Blizzcon, GSL vs. The World, and HomeStory Cup). That's a great argument for best non-Korean of all time but it is well below what a bunch of Koreans have accomplished.


If that's the metric you're using, Dark's a chump because he has only won a single tournament with major Korean representation (2016 SSL Season 1).

One win and what feels like a billion ro4/finals appearances in stacked events vastly outweighs two wins in my opinion.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-14 21:53:37
June 14 2019 21:53 GMT
#39
I think the humor was missed in my post. The serious answer is Stephano.
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
June 14 2019 22:04 GMT
#40
On June 15 2019 06:53 BisuDagger wrote:
I think the humor was missed in my post. The serious answer is Stephano.


So Taeja, right?
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