• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:42
CEST 14:42
KST 21:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !10Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results1
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! SC2 INu's Battles#16 <BO.9> Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
(Spoiler) Interview ASL Ro4 Day 2 Winner Flashes ASL S21 Ro8 Review ASL Tickets to Live Event Finals? Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [ASL21] Semifinals A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May
Strategy
[G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread PC Games Sales Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1336 users

Code S RO4 Preview: Hurricane vs Dark - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
61 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2610 Posts
June 14 2019 12:48 GMT
#21
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 14 2019 13:59 GMT
#22
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.

herO is a 6-time premier tournament winner, Solar is a 5-time premier tournament winner, Rogue is a 2-time world champion, 2 time Blizzcon round of 4, and 2 additional premier tournament champion, and none of them have made a GSL finals. Dark is not leagues above any of them in terms of overall performance if you put value in being the best player in the world at a specific time over consistently being good.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-14 14:59:02
June 14 2019 14:57 GMT
#23
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.

Taeja - 11 weekenders, 2 GSL ro4s

Solar - SSL 1st, SSL 2nd, SSL 3rd, 4 weekenders

Bomber - 4 weekenders

Polt - 7 weekenders, 1 GSL ro4

Rogue - 2x world champ, 2 weekenders

Serral - 1 world champ, 1 weekender

Dream - 2x SSL 2nd

herO - 5 weekenders, 1 SSL, 1 GSL ro4

I'd definitely put Dark ahead of any of those, with his 21 ro4+ finishes in what are almost all extremely stacked events. Including 4 GSL ro4s, 3 SSL finals (inc one win), and a blizzcon finals. Not to mention being almost always the best or second best zerg for like four years now.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
June 14 2019 14:59 GMT
#24
Maybe Dark is more prepared for those Immortal Sentry all-ins, unlike Rogue in the Super Tournament
Mine gas, build tanks.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 14 2019 15:34 GMT
#25
Are you guys seriously arguing that Taeja was somehow better than Dark? Are you stuchiu alts or just memeing or what? I can understand talking about herO or even Rogue, but I still consider Dark much better if taken over the span of his sc2 career.

Anyway, I hope that when the last GSL comes, the finals will be inno vs. dark.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
freelifeffs
Profile Joined April 2018
97 Posts
June 14 2019 15:36 GMT
#26
dark is gonna get protossed. hurricane is in much, much, much better form than her0 and also probably has an incredible motivation to show the world he has what it takes to win it all. his practise and preparation will be insane.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19350 Posts
June 14 2019 16:15 GMT
#27
On June 14 2019 21:48 gTank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so

Exactly. The correct answer is Serral.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 14 2019 16:54 GMT
#28
On June 15 2019 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 21:48 gTank wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so

Exactly. The correct answer is Serral.

No, it really isn't. Serral has won only 3 tournaments with major Korean representation. (Blizzcon, GSL vs. The World, and HomeStory Cup). That's a great argument for best non-Korean of all time but it is well below what a bunch of Koreans have accomplished.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
June 14 2019 17:10 GMT
#29
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?


Serral? :D
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17734 Posts
June 14 2019 17:56 GMT
#30
On June 14 2019 23:57 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.

Taeja - 11 weekenders, 2 GSL ro4s

Solar - SSL 1st, SSL 2nd, SSL 3rd, 4 weekenders

Bomber - 4 weekenders

Polt - 7 weekenders, 1 GSL ro4

Rogue - 2x world champ, 2 weekenders

Serral - 1 world champ, 1 weekender

Dream - 2x SSL 2nd

herO - 5 weekenders, 1 SSL, 1 GSL ro4

I'd definitely put Dark ahead of any of those, with his 21 ro4+ finishes in what are almost all extremely stacked events. Including 4 GSL ro4s, 3 SSL finals (inc one win), and a blizzcon finals. Not to mention being almost always the best or second best zerg for like four years now.

Polt won a GSL Super Tournament (Wiki)2011 GSL Super Tournament/Final8

I think it's definitely between Taeja or Dark
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
June 14 2019 18:08 GMT
#31
>No wonder TL.net users predictions are giving Dark over a 7-to-1 advantage.

Wait, you can see the predictions before the result as a regular user?
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 14 2019 18:34 GMT
#32
On June 15 2019 02:56 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2019 23:57 Fango wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.

Taeja - 11 weekenders, 2 GSL ro4s

Solar - SSL 1st, SSL 2nd, SSL 3rd, 4 weekenders

Bomber - 4 weekenders

Polt - 7 weekenders, 1 GSL ro4

Rogue - 2x world champ, 2 weekenders

Serral - 1 world champ, 1 weekender

Dream - 2x SSL 2nd

herO - 5 weekenders, 1 SSL, 1 GSL ro4

I'd definitely put Dark ahead of any of those, with his 21 ro4+ finishes in what are almost all extremely stacked events. Including 4 GSL ro4s, 3 SSL finals (inc one win), and a blizzcon finals. Not to mention being almost always the best or second best zerg for like four years now.

Polt won a GSL Super Tournament (Wiki)2011 GSL Super Tournament/Final8

I think it's definitely between Taeja or Dark

Super Tournaments don't count as a GSL Code S, and if they did, then Dark wouldn't be on the list because he's been to a Super Tournament final.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 14 2019 19:02 GMT
#33
On June 15 2019 01:54 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2019 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:48 gTank wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so

Exactly. The correct answer is Serral.

No, it really isn't. Serral has won only 3 tournaments with major Korean representation. (Blizzcon, GSL vs. The World, and HomeStory Cup). That's a great argument for best non-Korean of all time but it is well below what a bunch of Koreans have accomplished.


If that's the metric you're using, Dark's a chump because he has only won a single tournament with major Korean representation (2016 SSL Season 1).
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
June 14 2019 19:03 GMT
#34
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


I think you're forgetting Clide.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
June 14 2019 19:39 GMT
#35
Dark is the most consistent top player, always reaching top 4 and always losing by the narrowest margin. (unless its serral)
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-14 20:19:56
June 14 2019 20:19 GMT
#36
On June 15 2019 04:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2019 01:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 15 2019 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:48 gTank wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so

Exactly. The correct answer is Serral.

No, it really isn't. Serral has won only 3 tournaments with major Korean representation. (Blizzcon, GSL vs. The World, and HomeStory Cup). That's a great argument for best non-Korean of all time but it is well below what a bunch of Koreans have accomplished.


If that's the metric you're using, Dark's a chump because he has only won a single tournament with major Korean representation (2016 SSL Season 1).

Dark has done well in countless other tournaments with Koreans. Serral has not.
Dark's offline record vs. South Korean players: 178-98
Serral's offline record vs. South Korean players: 36-36
Freeborn
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany421 Posts
June 14 2019 20:23 GMT
#37
Hurricane 4-2 Dark.

Now you know.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 14 2019 21:29 GMT
#38
On June 15 2019 04:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2019 01:54 Boggyb wrote:
On June 15 2019 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:48 gTank wrote:
On June 14 2019 21:43 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On June 14 2019 18:32 opisska wrote:
Dark was never in GSL finals? That's actually mindblowing and makes him by far the best player to never have done so.


Taeja?



the best player to never have done so

Exactly. The correct answer is Serral.

No, it really isn't. Serral has won only 3 tournaments with major Korean representation. (Blizzcon, GSL vs. The World, and HomeStory Cup). That's a great argument for best non-Korean of all time but it is well below what a bunch of Koreans have accomplished.


If that's the metric you're using, Dark's a chump because he has only won a single tournament with major Korean representation (2016 SSL Season 1).

One win and what feels like a billion ro4/finals appearances in stacked events vastly outweighs two wins in my opinion.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19350 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-14 21:53:37
June 14 2019 21:53 GMT
#39
I think the humor was missed in my post. The serious answer is Stephano.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
June 14 2019 22:04 GMT
#40
On June 15 2019 06:53 BisuDagger wrote:
I think the humor was missed in my post. The serious answer is Stephano.


So Taeja, right?
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #103
CranKy Ducklings100
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko358
ProTech136
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 56007
Calm 6625
Sea 4141
Bisu 2417
BeSt 1559
Jaedong 1230
Horang2 956
EffOrt 549
Mini 341
Rush 226
[ Show more ]
Larva 205
Snow 148
ggaemo 123
Soulkey 96
Mind 93
hero 62
Hyun 59
HiyA 52
Aegong 45
[sc1f]eonzerg 39
Mong 36
Sharp 33
sorry 25
Sexy 25
soO 19
Movie 18
GoRush 17
Hm[arnc] 16
Bale 15
Shine 14
IntoTheRainbow 12
JulyZerg 10
Icarus 8
scan(afreeca) 8
SilentControl 8
Terrorterran 7
NotJumperer 5
Dota 2
XcaliburYe324
Counter-Strike
olofmeister3339
shoxiejesuss1388
markeloff144
Other Games
singsing2269
B2W.Neo796
Beastyqt593
hiko355
Happy289
Pyrionflax161
monkeys_forever155
ToD125
crisheroes124
DeMusliM117
QueenE68
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL23490
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 893
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4008
• Jankos1038
Other Games
• WagamamaTV363
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
11h 18m
Replay Cast
20h 18m
Replay Cast
1d 11h
The PondCast
1d 21h
OSC
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
OSC
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL
4 days
GSL
4 days
Cure vs herO
SHIN vs Maru
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-11
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W7
YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026: Closed Qualifier
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.