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WCS Spring Final Eight bracket set

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-18 21:08:44
May 18 2019 21:07 GMT
#1
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2019 WCS Spring


The final eight title contenders for WCS Spring have been decided after two days of competition, with WCS Winter champions Neeb and Reynor joining 2018 Global Champion Serral in a stacked quarterfinal bracket. The third and final day of WCS Spring matches will begin on Sunday, May 19 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), with the remaining eight players contending for the first place prize of $20,000 and a direct seed to the 2019 Global Finals.
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Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
May 18 2019 21:13 GMT
#2
ro16 went pretty much as expected results wise, except for Goblin's victory.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
LTCM
Profile Joined May 2017
174 Posts
May 18 2019 21:20 GMT
#3
Perfect balance. Believe it or not sc2 is in a great spot right now.
Byun is a convicted match-fixer.
fededevi
Profile Joined April 2018
Italy45 Posts
May 18 2019 21:40 GMT
#4
I want a Juan - Riccardo final.
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
474 Posts
May 18 2019 21:47 GMT
#5
nice! looking forward to the ro8! ^^
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-18 23:23:33
May 18 2019 21:52 GMT
#6
On May 19 2019 06:20 LTCM wrote:
Perfect balance. Believe it or not sc2 is in a great spot right now.


Found the Protoss.

That being said, this tournament is looking pretty good. If only the same could be said for GSL.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
May 18 2019 21:57 GMT
#7
I’m surprised TIME beat Harstem 3-0 anyone watch the games?
MrFreeman
Profile Joined January 2015
207 Posts
May 18 2019 22:03 GMT
#8
I love this format .
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
May 18 2019 22:26 GMT
#9
We've seen a lot of great and fun games so far...
Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
May 18 2019 23:09 GMT
#10
Bring on the Neeb vs Serral epic battle
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4403 Posts
May 18 2019 23:14 GMT
#11
I really wish there was a possibility of getting both Serral vs Special and Serral vs Neeb :/ sad the bracket worked out this way. Hopefully one of those is the final.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
May 18 2019 23:18 GMT
#12
Great tournament, great games. Particularly impressed with the quality of the TvP games atm, lot of back and forth, some different strategies too. It's not often we get really good macro TvP games, let alone multiple in a series.

Pretty sick Ro8 with a bunch of top dogs and a couple unexpected surprises
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 18 2019 23:23 GMT
#13
On May 19 2019 08:09 Need wrote:
Bring on the Neeb vs Serral epic battle


Showtime's ready to fuck that up again xD
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NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-18 23:41:30
May 18 2019 23:41 GMT
#14
On May 19 2019 06:20 LTCM wrote:
Perfect balance. Believe it or not sc2 is in a great spot right now.


Agreed. PvT may be slightly favored for protoss but nothing crazy. The real problem is the way it plays out terran does too many 2 base all ins, need to weaken the all ins a little and buff the terran macro play a little. Nothing drastic, just enough to get terran going in the later game and less all inning.

However, terrans are still winning that matchup plenty as shown by the only 54% PvT winrate for protoss on Aligulac in high level play. All other matchups are undoubtedly very well balanced. ZvZ just needs something to spice it up and not be so many stale roach vs roach games.

The balance of the game this year overall has been good. Some well placed tuneups and it could be great.

Very good looking results by race in this tournament (and many previous tournaments) and solid distribution of tournament winners by race in premier tournaments so far this year, 2 terran 2 zerg 2 protoss.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
May 18 2019 23:54 GMT
#15
On May 19 2019 08:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 08:09 Need wrote:
Bring on the Neeb vs Serral epic battle


Showtime's ready to fuck that up again xD


If Showtime plays like he did today when he has to face Special, I don't think he'll get his chance to fuck things up.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
May 18 2019 23:56 GMT
#16
tbh ro8 can't get much better than this.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
May 19 2019 00:14 GMT
#17
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
May 19 2019 00:22 GMT
#18
On May 19 2019 09:14 Boggyb wrote:
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial

What in all the world do you have against SpeCial and Serral o_o
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
rickzou
Profile Joined May 2019
46 Posts
May 19 2019 00:24 GMT
#19
time!!!
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 19 2019 00:34 GMT
#20
I like all of them, to be honest.
I would love for Serral to win again in 2019 but I'd be glad if Special or Reynor takes the tournament, as well; Neeb and TIME are probably the ones I'd like to see win WCS the least but I'd be ok with them winning, the players I don't like are already out.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
May 19 2019 00:36 GMT
#21
On May 19 2019 09:22 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 09:14 Boggyb wrote:
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial

What in all the world do you have against SpeCial and Serral o_o

I dislike SpeCial as a person for repeatedly using retard as a pejorative in Twitch chat after the IEM PyeongChang qualifier fiasco last year.

I dislike Serral because he's boring and his fans are annoying.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-19 00:50:19
May 19 2019 00:49 GMT
#22
On May 19 2019 09:36 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 09:22 Shuffleblade wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:14 Boggyb wrote:
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial

What in all the world do you have against SpeCial and Serral o_o

I dislike SpeCial as a person for repeatedly using retard as a pejorative in Twitch chat after the IEM PyeongChang qualifier fiasco last year.

I dislike Serral because he's boring and his fans are annoying.


Shots fired.

Though Serral fans in 2019 are much less obnoxious than last year.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
May 19 2019 00:51 GMT
#23
On May 19 2019 09:36 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 09:22 Shuffleblade wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:14 Boggyb wrote:
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial

What in all the world do you have against SpeCial and Serral o_o


I dislike Serral because he's boring and his fans are annoying.


Jesus Christ dude, do you even like StarCraft or is it just a personality contest for you? It's like seeing good games is not even a criterion for you
Colouss
Profile Joined November 2013
United States501 Posts
May 19 2019 01:36 GMT
#24
Any of the 4 in the lower bracket winning will make me happy.
Chinese teams flair when
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
May 19 2019 01:42 GMT
#25
Fun fact: this is the first time that WCS has had a top eight with every single player representing a different country.

(Too bad Scarlett couldn’t compete...)

Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
May 19 2019 01:47 GMT
#26
On May 19 2019 09:51 Need wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 09:36 Boggyb wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:22 Shuffleblade wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:14 Boggyb wrote:
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial

What in all the world do you have against SpeCial and Serral o_o


I dislike Serral because he's boring and his fans are annoying.


Jesus Christ dude, do you even like StarCraft or is it just a personality contest for you? It's like seeing good games is not even a criterion for you

His play is boring. I don't listen to interviews even of players I like, so I have literally no basis by which to judge his personality.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
May 19 2019 02:00 GMT
#27
On May 19 2019 10:47 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 09:51 Need wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:36 Boggyb wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:22 Shuffleblade wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:14 Boggyb wrote:
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial

What in all the world do you have against SpeCial and Serral o_o


I dislike Serral because he's boring and his fans are annoying.


Jesus Christ dude, do you even like StarCraft or is it just a personality contest for you? It's like seeing good games is not even a criterion for you

His play is boring. I don't listen to interviews even of players I like, so I have literally no basis by which to judge his personality.


I'm not a Serral fan (although I have a lot of respect for his professionalism and skill) but I think Serral produces more entertaining series than anyone else, maybe besides Dark.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 19 2019 02:01 GMT
#28
On May 19 2019 10:47 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 09:51 Need wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:36 Boggyb wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:22 Shuffleblade wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:14 Boggyb wrote:
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial

What in all the world do you have against SpeCial and Serral o_o


I dislike Serral because he's boring and his fans are annoying.


Jesus Christ dude, do you even like StarCraft or is it just a personality contest for you? It's like seeing good games is not even a criterion for you

His play is boring. I don't listen to interviews even of players I like, so I have literally no basis by which to judge his personality.


I hear it here first.
Serral's personality is much more likely to appear boring than his actual play.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
May 19 2019 02:10 GMT
#29
On May 19 2019 11:01 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 10:47 Boggyb wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:51 Need wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:36 Boggyb wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:22 Shuffleblade wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:14 Boggyb wrote:
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial

What in all the world do you have against SpeCial and Serral o_o


I dislike Serral because he's boring and his fans are annoying.


Jesus Christ dude, do you even like StarCraft or is it just a personality contest for you? It's like seeing good games is not even a criterion for you

His play is boring. I don't listen to interviews even of players I like, so I have literally no basis by which to judge his personality.


I hear it here first.
Serral's personality is much more likely to appear boring than his actual play.


yeah Serral vs Stats at GSL vs the world, Serral vs Reynor at Montreal, Serral vs soO are probably some of the most entertaining series that I have watched. Serral vs Rogue at Blizzcon, Serral vs Innovation at HSC and WESG were pretty good too.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
May 19 2019 02:15 GMT
#30
On May 19 2019 11:00 Anc13nt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 10:47 Boggyb wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:51 Need wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:36 Boggyb wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:22 Shuffleblade wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:14 Boggyb wrote:
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial

What in all the world do you have against SpeCial and Serral o_o


I dislike Serral because he's boring and his fans are annoying.


Jesus Christ dude, do you even like StarCraft or is it just a personality contest for you? It's like seeing good games is not even a criterion for you

His play is boring. I don't listen to interviews even of players I like, so I have literally no basis by which to judge his personality.


I'm not a Serral fan (although I have a lot of respect for his professionalism and skill) but I think Serral produces more entertaining series than anyone else, maybe besides Dark.

The only consistently watchable Zerg matchup is ZvT (and even that hasn't been particularly good for years) and Serral almost never plays Terran players even remotely at his skill level. It doesn't help that ZvT is horrid when there is a skill gap in favor of the Zerg as it feels like every game is 10 minutes of defensive macro play with the Terran player having literally no chance while a lesser Zerg or Protoss player can at least bring out interesting strategies.
thickertom
Profile Joined December 2014
China612 Posts
May 19 2019 02:16 GMT
#31
On May 19 2019 06:57 starkiller123 wrote:
I’m surprised TIME beat Harstem 3-0 anyone watch the games?

In Game 1, TIME used all in and won it.
In Game 2, TIME's widow mines destroyed Harstem's 15 probes for one time.
In Game 3, I only said Harstem was always lack of "money".
I love SC2
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
May 19 2019 02:21 GMT
#32
On May 19 2019 11:15 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 11:00 Anc13nt wrote:
On May 19 2019 10:47 Boggyb wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:51 Need wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:36 Boggyb wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:22 Shuffleblade wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:14 Boggyb wrote:
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial

What in all the world do you have against SpeCial and Serral o_o


I dislike Serral because he's boring and his fans are annoying.


Jesus Christ dude, do you even like StarCraft or is it just a personality contest for you? It's like seeing good games is not even a criterion for you

His play is boring. I don't listen to interviews even of players I like, so I have literally no basis by which to judge his personality.


I'm not a Serral fan (although I have a lot of respect for his professionalism and skill) but I think Serral produces more entertaining series than anyone else, maybe besides Dark.

The only consistently watchable Zerg matchup is ZvT (and even that hasn't been particularly good for years) and Serral almost never plays Terran players even remotely at his skill level. It doesn't help that ZvT is horrid when there is a skill gap in favor of the Zerg as it feels like every game is 10 minutes of defensive macro play with the Terran player having literally no chance while a lesser Zerg or Protoss player can at least bring out interesting strategies.


I don't deny Serral has a ton of one sided series but he has many good ones too so I don't think it's fair to call him boring. I agree with you that the meta is a lot less entertaining than 2017 or 2018. The nydus made ZvT a lot more boring and it looks like almost half of TvPs and PvZs involve an allin/strong timing attack.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
May 19 2019 02:54 GMT
#33
I mean, i don't agree at all that Serral's play is boring but people can like who they wanna like, no need for the entire world to get so defensive
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
May 19 2019 02:58 GMT
#34
Praying for a neeb miracle this spring
Year of MaxPax
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
May 19 2019 03:34 GMT
#35
Anybody have a link to vod of uthermal lambo series?
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
May 19 2019 04:01 GMT
#36
Looking forward to another Serral victory.

A very strong ro8 though. Reynor, Neeb and Showtime have all shown that they're world class calibre players as well as Serral.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 19 2019 04:21 GMT
#37
All in all there weren't many surprises this WCS.
veniss
Profile Joined August 2018
75 Posts
May 19 2019 05:49 GMT
#38
Neeb/Serral final plz
SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
May 19 2019 05:57 GMT
#39
On May 19 2019 11:10 Anc13nt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 11:01 Xain0n wrote:
On May 19 2019 10:47 Boggyb wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:51 Need wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:36 Boggyb wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:22 Shuffleblade wrote:
On May 19 2019 09:14 Boggyb wrote:
Rooting hierarchy:
1) Goblin
2) Neeb
3) Showtime
4) Elazer
5) TIME
6) Reynor
7) Serral
8) Blizzard shuts down the SC2 servers permanently
9) SpeCial

What in all the world do you have against SpeCial and Serral o_o


I dislike Serral because he's boring and his fans are annoying.


Jesus Christ dude, do you even like StarCraft or is it just a personality contest for you? It's like seeing good games is not even a criterion for you

His play is boring. I don't listen to interviews even of players I like, so I have literally no basis by which to judge his personality.


I hear it here first.
Serral's personality is much more likely to appear boring than his actual play.


yeah Serral vs Stats at GSL vs the world, Serral vs Reynor at Montreal, Serral vs soO are probably some of the most entertaining series that I have watched. Serral vs Rogue at Blizzcon, Serral vs Innovation at HSC and WESG were pretty good too.


Don't forget Serral vs Bunny from HSC, some fantastic matches!
RatzBarcode
Profile Joined December 2013
United States98 Posts
May 19 2019 06:09 GMT
#40
(P)Neeb
(T)SpeCial
(Z)Serral
(Z)Reynor

(T)SpeCial
(Z)Serral

(Z)Serral

I think special's tvp has been good lately and his mech stuff will confuse them.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
May 19 2019 06:12 GMT
#41
We couldnt have asked for a better top8. Everyone of the real contenders made it, and then there is a new face, goblin, to make it interesting. The bracket draw ended up cool as well
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
May 19 2019 07:41 GMT
#42
On May 19 2019 08:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 08:09 Need wrote:
Bring on the Neeb vs Serral epic battle


Showtime's ready to fuck that up again xD


I want to see Neeb vs Special and Serral vs Reynor for the Ro4. Let the TL people have a win and have a real clash for the title of best of the circuit. And we have the kings of NA vs the kings of EU
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
May 19 2019 07:43 GMT
#43
On May 19 2019 15:09 RatzBarcode wrote:
(P)Neeb
(T)SpeCial
(Z)Serral
(Z)Reynor

(T)SpeCial
(Z)Serral

(Z)Serral

I think special's tvp has been good lately and his mech stuff will confuse them.


It's hard. I want Special to break his Ro4 curse, but I also want the Neeb vs Serral clash. Neeb needs to take back his crown after his disappointing 2018 in circuit events. Serral didn't need to dethrone Neeb. Neeb just kinda abdicated his throne.
9Dimitri
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
Hungary14 Posts
May 19 2019 08:57 GMT
#44
I can't find a VOD of SpeCial vs MaSa in RO16, can someone link me please? Was there no B stream at all?
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
May 19 2019 09:01 GMT
#45
This WCS has been the best tournament of the year by far. The quality of the games has been great (my only caveat would be too many nydus, it's still probably a bit too strong), casting has been excellent thanks to a great caster lineup, and the balance has been good. 6 terrans in the ro16 is more than I can remember in recent times.

The fact that there have been few upsets is also a testament to the balanced state of the game right now. All those who advanced to the ro8 deserved to.

I'm rooting for a Special vs Serral final, but I think we might get a PvP and a ZvZ semifinal, hoping I'm wrong though. Let's go Juanito!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-19 09:18:56
May 19 2019 09:18 GMT
#46
Parser
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy87 Posts
May 19 2019 09:31 GMT
#47
Really hoping Reynor will win this!
Stormhoof
Profile Joined January 2015
Serbia182 Posts
May 19 2019 10:37 GMT
#48
On May 19 2019 17:57 9Dimitri wrote:
I can't find a VOD of SpeCial vs MaSa in RO16, can someone link me please? Was there no B stream at all?


I think that no one casted a single series of Special for 2 fays, which is disgrace. I would like to be wrong but I watched most of games on all streams and havent saw one with probably best foreign terran.
9Dimitri
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
Hungary14 Posts
May 19 2019 11:47 GMT
#49
On May 19 2019 19:37 Stormhoof wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 17:57 9Dimitri wrote:
I can't find a VOD of SpeCial vs MaSa in RO16, can someone link me please? Was there no B stream at all?


I think that no one casted a single series of Special for 2 fays, which is disgrace. I would like to be wrong but I watched most of games on all streams and havent saw one with probably best foreign terran.


Yea, I'm just so sorry we have these great matches and it's impossible to see them. Maybe we have a replay pack after the event?
Stormhoof
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May 19 2019 11:54 GMT
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On May 19 2019 20:47 9Dimitri wrote:
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On May 19 2019 19:37 Stormhoof wrote:
On May 19 2019 17:57 9Dimitri wrote:
I can't find a VOD of SpeCial vs MaSa in RO16, can someone link me please? Was there no B stream at all?


I think that no one casted a single series of Special for 2 fays, which is disgrace. I would like to be wrong but I watched most of games on all streams and havent saw one with probably best foreign terran.


Yea, I'm just so sorry we have these great matches and it's impossible to see them. Maybe we have a replay pack after the event?


But there were like 10ish active streams. They could stream his games aswell. Really can't see the point of having all those casting same matches, even in same language. I hope for replay pack too!
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