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Code S RO8 Preview: Dear vs Maru, Trap vs TY - Page 2

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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
March 29 2019 19:06 GMT
#21
On March 30 2019 03:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 03:15 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 30 2019 03:13 Penev wrote:
On March 29 2019 20:00 Need wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:12 Waxangel wrote:
I can't believe Maru is currently favored in both liquibet and actual real-money betting sites. 20-0 is 20-0.


And Maru is Maru. Three consecutive Code S is three consecutive Code S

Also Dear might do his trademarked derp and sacrifice his whole army on a ramp again.

I haven't decided on this one yet though, this is a real 50/50 for me.

ah yes the classic Ulrena game right? I am thinking we will get a PvP semi finals but hoping for some good games

If only that was the only time Dear did that...


It's too bad he hasn't built any manner nexi in years.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 29 2019 19:12 GMT
#22
On March 30 2019 04:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 03:31 Elentos wrote:
On March 30 2019 03:15 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 30 2019 03:13 Penev wrote:
On March 29 2019 20:00 Need wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:12 Waxangel wrote:
I can't believe Maru is currently favored in both liquibet and actual real-money betting sites. 20-0 is 20-0.


And Maru is Maru. Three consecutive Code S is three consecutive Code S

Also Dear might do his trademarked derp and sacrifice his whole army on a ramp again.

I haven't decided on this one yet though, this is a real 50/50 for me.

ah yes the classic Ulrena game right? I am thinking we will get a PvP semi finals but hoping for some good games

If only that was the only time Dear did that...


It's too bad he hasn't built any manner nexi in years.

Has he BM'd at all since then?
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
March 29 2019 19:15 GMT
#23
On March 30 2019 03:57 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2019 23:48 yubo56 wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:25 Waxangel wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


I feel like he's the Terran Dark in that his good games are SO good that he's become mostly immune to results-based criticism (as long as he doesn't get killed in the RO32 or something)

They seem to both have just enough weaknesses that they can't consistently dominate: TY's play always feels a bit shaky since it's so much about control and rhythm, from tailored openings to tons of harassment to technical lategames

TY chokes a lot in big/playoff matches. That's the main reason he doesn't win tournaments.

It's definitely gonna be hard to get another chance to win GSL as good as the last one he had, up 3-2 and ahead after the early game in both game 6 and 7.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17729 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 20:02:22
March 29 2019 20:02 GMT
#24
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
March 29 2019 20:05 GMT
#25
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals

Proxy 2-rax against Protoss won KT Proleague the year after!

I hope for some good SC2 tomorrow, hard to pick a winner for either match.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17729 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 20:21:44
March 29 2019 20:17 GMT
#26
On March 30 2019 05:05 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals

Proxy 2-rax against Protoss won KT Proleague the year after!

I hope for some good SC2 tomorrow, hard to pick a winner for either match.

wasn't that with a weaker mothership core though? at least in the context of defending 2rax proxy, nexus cannon is better than pylon cannon cause pylons are easier to kill
"Expert" mods4ever.com
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
March 29 2019 20:22 GMT
#27
On March 30 2019 05:17 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 05:05 Elentos wrote:
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals

Proxy 2-rax against Protoss won KT Proleague the year after!

I hope for some good SC2 tomorrow, hard to pick a winner for either match.

wasn't that with a weaker mothership core though? at least in the context of defending 2rax proxy, nexus cannon is better than pylon cannon cause pylons are easier to kill




mothership core can't help if you forget to build it at the right nexus
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
March 29 2019 20:23 GMT
#28
On March 30 2019 05:17 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 05:05 Elentos wrote:
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals

Proxy 2-rax against Protoss won KT Proleague the year after!

I hope for some good SC2 tomorrow, hard to pick a winner for either match.

wasn't that with a weaker mothership core though? at least in the context of defending 2rax proxy, nexus cannon is better than pylon cannon cause pylons are easier to kill

Nexus cannon was in the game until LotV
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17729 Posts
March 29 2019 20:27 GMT
#29
On March 30 2019 05:22 yubo56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 05:17 Die4Ever wrote:
On March 30 2019 05:05 Elentos wrote:
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
was just watching Maru vs Dear from 2013 https://sc2casts.com/cast14170-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Korea-S3-Semi-Finals

+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing


and now to watch https://sc2casts.com/cast14066-Maru-vs-Dear-Best-of-5-2013-WCS-Season-3-Finals-Semi-Finals

Proxy 2-rax against Protoss won KT Proleague the year after!

I hope for some good SC2 tomorrow, hard to pick a winner for either match.

wasn't that with a weaker mothership core though? at least in the context of defending 2rax proxy, nexus cannon is better than pylon cannon cause pylons are easier to kill


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRb0DralBbs

mothership core can't help if you forget to build it at the right nexus

lol RIP
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17729 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-29 20:33:17
March 29 2019 20:32 GMT
#30
lol I still remembered this part with the medivac (at 17:09)
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1257 Posts
March 29 2019 21:13 GMT
#31
The curse is broken so now Trap gets to win the whole thing. What a delight!
@GGemini19 GM Protoss | http://www.twitch.tv/geminisc2 | I <333 HerO & Trap | Check out my Build of the Week series on /r/allthingsprotoss, TL, or Spawning Tool
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 29 2019 22:54 GMT
#32
On March 30 2019 04:15 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 03:57 Fango wrote:
On March 29 2019 23:48 yubo56 wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:25 Waxangel wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


I feel like he's the Terran Dark in that his good games are SO good that he's become mostly immune to results-based criticism (as long as he doesn't get killed in the RO32 or something)

They seem to both have just enough weaknesses that they can't consistently dominate: TY's play always feels a bit shaky since it's so much about control and rhythm, from tailored openings to tons of harassment to technical lategames

TY chokes a lot in big/playoff matches. That's the main reason he doesn't win tournaments.

It's definitely gonna be hard to get another chance to win GSL as good as the last one he had, up 3-2 and ahead after the early game in both game 6 and 7.

Not to mention the game 7 vs Zest the season before. Or the multiple 2-0 into loss during the playoffs of 2017. Or the second factory in the 2016 final (although in that one he was favoured to lose anyway I guess).

Being a TY fan is hard.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 29 2019 22:58 GMT
#33
On March 30 2019 05:02 Die4Ever wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
lol Maru with the 2rax proxy while down 2-1, I don't remember that ever working when the mothership core was a thing

Maru used to 2rax vs protoss a lot during HotS. It probably won him his OSL in 2013. PartinG even called him out on it at one point (that he always 2 rax'd when losing in a series).
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
March 30 2019 00:26 GMT
#34
On March 30 2019 07:54 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2019 04:15 Elentos wrote:
On March 30 2019 03:57 Fango wrote:
On March 29 2019 23:48 yubo56 wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:25 Waxangel wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:22 sneakyfox wrote:
On March 29 2019 18:08 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
TY is the prodigy who lived up to his potential, using his blazing speed to win championships (albeit, a little late) and become one of the top players in StarCraft II. His run at the start of 2017, where he won WESG and IEM back to back, is one of the all-time great competitive peaks. However, a lot of time has passed since then, and we're getting the nagging feeling he should have won again by now.


Thanks goes out to Orlok for not mindlessly repeating the tired trope about TY being a failed talent, while still giving a sober view of his situation the last couple of years


I feel like he's the Terran Dark in that his good games are SO good that he's become mostly immune to results-based criticism (as long as he doesn't get killed in the RO32 or something)

They seem to both have just enough weaknesses that they can't consistently dominate: TY's play always feels a bit shaky since it's so much about control and rhythm, from tailored openings to tons of harassment to technical lategames

TY chokes a lot in big/playoff matches. That's the main reason he doesn't win tournaments.

It's definitely gonna be hard to get another chance to win GSL as good as the last one he had, up 3-2 and ahead after the early game in both game 6 and 7.

Not to mention the game 7 vs Zest the season before. Or the multiple 2-0 into loss during the playoffs of 2017. Or the second factory in the 2016 final (although in that one he was favoured to lose anyway I guess).

Being a TY fan is hard.


It is. But putting all losses into one category is just silly. This goes for every player. If one player had won pretty much everything in LotV or even HotS, we wouldn't be having all these.silly Bonjwa topics.

TY's losses are very different too. The reverse sweeps of 2017 are one thing, and tbh the worst loss he suffered was the Ro4 blizzcon against rogue, because he surely would have beaten soO. Losing to Dear in 2016 was something else though - not a mental blockade for TY. Etc

He really *should* have beaten Maru last season. it's not like he really *should have beaten Zest in 2016, and so on
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 30 2019 01:02 GMT
#35
oh (P)Dear...so much TvP games today but not sure if both top terrans could bring back the excitement of this match up again
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
March 30 2019 04:16 GMT
#36
ez
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
March 30 2019 04:16 GMT
#37
Who's casting with tasteless?
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-30 05:01:13
March 30 2019 05:00 GMT
#38
wrong topic, sorry
ordeal11
Profile Joined August 2018
Czech Republic52 Posts
March 30 2019 05:23 GMT
#39
On March 30 2019 13:16 General_Winter wrote:
Who's casting with tasteless?


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