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On June 02 2018 00:05 xTJx wrote:
You'd expect people to chill about zerg being op because foreigners when just 1 of 13 zergs made into code S Ro8 and with a bo3 loss still, but they never quit do they?
This is a silly argument regardless of your position of balance.
In terms of distrubiton at the top level (e.g. average number of them in ro8s) zerg is surely the best race of the last 12 months or so? You shouldn't use one tournament as evidence that zerg is weaker, when it's literally the only tournament in recent memory that hasn't had at least 3 zergs in the ro8.
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On June 02 2018 00:37 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner. There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018. Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game. I've been trying to push the Neeb > Serral narrative for a while now, but his win at Hangzou wasn't anything incredible. herO just lost to freaking eMotion in GSL, and Rogue will lose to literally anyone if it's in a tournament he doesn't really care about.
Ahh lucky we have Fango here, to determine which tournaments rogue does, and does not care for.
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On June 02 2018 00:37 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner. There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018. Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game. I've been trying to push the Neeb > Serral narrative for a while now, but his win at Hangzou wasn't anything incredible. herO just lost to freaking eMotion in GSL, and Rogue will lose to literally anyone if it's in a tournament he doesn't really care about.
and after herO lost to eMotion he beat Zest at the super tournament..
On June 02 2018 05:35 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2018 00:37 Fango wrote:On June 01 2018 10:54 Boggyb wrote:On June 01 2018 10:10 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
There's no question that Serral is THE best WCS Circuit player at the moment, and is experiencing one of the highest peaks ever for a foreigner. There is. He plays Zerg which has been somewhere between OP and disgustingly OP in all match ups for the entirety of 2018. Neeb's fairly recent win at Hangzhou was more impressive than anything Serral has done in 2018 or frankly ever in his career and he didn't do it off the back of a broken game. I've been trying to push the Neeb > Serral narrative for a while now, but his win at Hangzou wasn't anything incredible. herO just lost to freaking eMotion in GSL, and Rogue will lose to literally anyone if it's in a tournament he doesn't really care about. Ahh lucky we have Fango here, to determine which tournaments rogue does, and does not care for.
Rogue wins -> he cares for the tournament
Rogue loses -> he doesn't care for the tournament.
Seems pretty clear for me
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Super hype for the tournament, this is really a star studded lineup. The balance seems really good now too and fun to watch.
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Cool to hear they needed a waiting list because so many people signed up.
I just stumbled over the 2016 proleague announcement and hey - almost 2 years later sc2 is still being played. Yay!
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On June 02 2018 00:40 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2018 00:05 xTJx wrote:
You'd expect people to chill about zerg being op because foreigners when just 1 of 13 zergs made into code S Ro8 and with a bo3 loss still, but they never quit do they? This is a silly argument regardless of your position of balance. In terms of distrubiton at the top level (e.g. average number of them in ro8s) zerg is surely the best race of the last 12 months or so? You shouldn't use one tournament as evidence that zerg is weaker, when it's literally the only tournament in recent memory that hasn't had at least 3 zergs in the ro8.
Never said zerg was weaker, i said it wasn't op. The only silly arguments in this site are terrans trying to pick every fact to turn into balance whine, which is the reason i wrote that comment. I know better than take mech streams as balance evidence.
Also i didn't use "one" tournament as evidence, i used THE tournament as evidence. If you're not aware, balance patches happens now and then, which change the state of the game. Last one was 2 weeks ago, not 12 months ago.
By your own logic marauders shouldn't been buffed, because it has been less than 1 year that protoss is favored in PvT.
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On June 02 2018 21:47 xTJx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2018 00:40 Fango wrote:On June 02 2018 00:05 xTJx wrote:
You'd expect people to chill about zerg being op because foreigners when just 1 of 13 zergs made into code S Ro8 and with a bo3 loss still, but they never quit do they? This is a silly argument regardless of your position of balance. In terms of distrubiton at the top level (e.g. average number of them in ro8s) zerg is surely the best race of the last 12 months or so? You shouldn't use one tournament as evidence that zerg is weaker, when it's literally the only tournament in recent memory that hasn't had at least 3 zergs in the ro8. Never said zerg was weaker, i said it wasn't op. The only silly arguments in this site are terrans trying to pick every fact to turn into balance whine, which is the reason i wrote that comment. I know better than take mech streams as balance evidence. Also i didn't use "one" tournament as evidence, i used THE tournament as evidence. If you're not aware, balance patches happens now and then, which change the state of the game. Last one was 2 weeks ago, not 12 months ago. By your own logic marauders shouldn't been buffed, because it has been less than 1 year that protoss is favored in PvT.
Imo this tournament (and these foreign tournaments in general - in the history of sc2) is more an illustration of the degree of difficulty to play a certain race vs. any balance implication. It's clear Terran has had a resurgence in Korea with the latest patch (even if TvP is now basically a cheese-fest). I don't think we've seen enough Tvz's on the new patch in Korea to say anything yet - Maru v Solar was on old patch (and was going to be a stomp fest either way) - Can't recall if patch was live for Inno/Soo / Inno/Rogue but those games also kind of went as expected (pretty sure was still on old patch).
Dark got crushed by Protoss (don't know much about Pvz) - and there you have your ro8 zerg status in Kr.
I just watched the vods of Byun/Gumi/Sos/Stats and I can't even believe what I watched - I'm not as surprised about Byun making it out - he showed incredible games - but Gumi just went nuts - need to pick these vods apart - but it did look like almost every game won by a Terran had a proxy involved lol - so think we still have a ways to go in this matchup.
Also P.S - STEPHANO HYPE! Taking out HeroMarine after the games he's showed recently is super impressive.
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On June 02 2018 22:39 DomeGetta wrote:
I don't think we've seen enough Tvz's on the new patch in Korea to say anything yet - Maru v Solar was on old patch (and was going to be a stomp fest either way) - Can't recall if patch was live for Inno/Soo / Inno/Rogue but those games also kind of went as expected (pretty sure was still on old patch).
The entire Ro16 was played on the new patch.
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On June 02 2018 22:56 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2018 22:39 DomeGetta wrote:
I don't think we've seen enough Tvz's on the new patch in Korea to say anything yet - Maru v Solar was on old patch (and was going to be a stomp fest either way) - Can't recall if patch was live for Inno/Soo / Inno/Rogue but those games also kind of went as expected (pretty sure was still on old patch).
The entire Ro16 was played on the new patch.
Ahh ok thanks for clarifying - doesn't change much imo since we saw 5(t) to 4(z) with no big upsets as far as I see it not a noticeable shift. Rogue vs Maru is going to be epic - definitely some intell to be gained from that one.
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