• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:12
CEST 21:12
KST 04:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon255.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes28Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch2[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
HomeStory Cup In Early July MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! INu's Battles#17 <BO.9>
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool First season(s) of tastosis gomtv gsl vods? Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Path of Exile
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Men's Fashion Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7362 users

Community Voting: 2017 WESG

Forum Index > SC2 General
47 CommentsPost a Reply
Normal
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
February 17 2018 18:52 GMT
#1
[image loading]

(Wiki)World Electronic Sports Games 2017

From Goldmadman:
Hi, everyone, I am a journalist of Alisports. I am also a big fan and an amateur player of StarCraft II. As a great game, I always hope there will be some interesting interviews about StarCraft II. At APAC Finals, I am glad that we invited three best players from Korea to discuss the balance patch. It is interesting to watch them make fun of each other, so Alisports decide to invite three players from Europe and Americas this time (one player per race). Hope everybody can vote for the best player in your mind (good at talking mostly). Also, stay tuned for our tournaments and reports!
Balance Discussion Video featuring (Z)Dark, (P)Classic, & (T)Maru




Which player would you like to see next discussing the recent balance patch?
Poll: Protoss Representative:

(Vote): ShowTimE
(Vote): Neeb


Poll: Terran Representative:

(Vote): uThermal
(Vote): Kelazhur
(Vote): SpeCial


Poll: Zerg Representative:

(Vote): Bly
(Vote): Elazer
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): Serral
(Vote): Scarlett




Voting will end on March 10, 0:00 GMT
Facebook Twitter Reddit
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary490 Posts
February 17 2018 21:14 GMT
#2
Meh, i tought im gonna see a nice discussion with arguments, but they didn't take much effort to take this serious...
Why so serious?
leublix
Profile Joined May 2017
493 Posts
February 17 2018 21:34 GMT
#3
Well, Maru is not made for this kind of talk-show.
Yo_Man
Profile Joined May 2017
43 Posts
February 17 2018 21:37 GMT
#4
the TY video crying about terran that wax subtitled was so much better
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
February 17 2018 21:43 GMT
#5
What a great idea to put Nerchio and Elazer together in this poll :-)
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
February 17 2018 22:05 GMT
#6
Having both Serral and neeb discuss this would make for an amazing conversation.
why even
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
February 17 2018 22:28 GMT
#7
If we get SpeCial discussing balance it'll make the Koreans look like the epitome of objectivity.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-17 22:40:12
February 17 2018 22:35 GMT
#8
If Neeb and Serral get voted in, I predict that 90%+ of the show will be the terran representative talking ^^
Nerchio and Special would certainly make for a very funny conversation

On February 18 2018 06:37 Yo_Man wrote:
the TY video crying about terran that wax subtitled was so much better


I agree. TY literally had tears in his eyes by the end of the balance complaints :X
Also, he had some decent arguments.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
February 17 2018 22:43 GMT
#9
On February 18 2018 07:35 ggrrg wrote:
If Neeb and Serral get voted in, I predict that 90%+ of the show will be the terran representative talking ^^
Nerchio and Special would certainly make for a very funny conversation

Show nested quote +
On February 18 2018 06:37 Yo_Man wrote:
the TY video crying about terran that wax subtitled was so much better


I agree. TY literally had tears in his eyes by the end of the balance complaints :X
Also, he had some decent arguments.


Finding some decent arguments is a statistical inevitability when you pull out every argument in the book . Though I do agree--TY put effort into that whereas here we have three players going "no you're more OP".
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-17 23:38:44
February 17 2018 23:34 GMT
#10
I would say the most objective players would be Neeb, Khelazhur and Elazer. But if we want to get a shitload of shit we should get Special or uThermal/Showtime and Nerchio.
edit. besides the Korean interview was made before current patch.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
February 18 2018 00:12 GMT
#11
Nerchio would definitely the most interesting zerg.

We just heard Scarlett and Elazer discuss balance too. Serral would probably say even less than Maru :/.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
February 18 2018 01:29 GMT
#12
Koreans discussing blanace is normally so bad. is it because they don't care and inside them think the game is ok and the hard worker wins? damn.
Bring up the foreigners! :D
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
February 18 2018 03:15 GMT
#13
Thanks very much to Goldmadman and whoever else for the interview and the translation.

One a completely different note... Classic looks thinner than you'd want to be. Hope he's ok.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
Sharkken
Profile Joined October 2012
Jordan141 Posts
February 18 2018 03:47 GMT
#14
Hahahaha I think this is a Nerchio <> Elazer poll mostly :D
Liquid HerO Best Toss in the World
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 18 2018 04:09 GMT
#15
Neeb vs Showtime has gone back and forth a few times, I'm curious to see who wins
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-18 04:33:38
February 18 2018 04:33 GMT
#16
On February 18 2018 13:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Neeb vs Showtime has gone back and forth a few times, I'm curious to see who wins


I'm hoping for Showtime since he'd give us some good whining about Zerg to match MajOr and Scarlett's whine whereas Neeb would sabotage Protoss by saying something along the lines of early zerg aggro being not too difficult to hold at the very highest level.
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
February 18 2018 04:50 GMT
#17
Uthermal!
Uthermal you still insist you do not know Fighting?
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 18 2018 04:55 GMT
#18
On February 18 2018 13:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2018 13:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Neeb vs Showtime has gone back and forth a few times, I'm curious to see who wins


I'm hoping for Showtime since he'd give us some good whining about Zerg to match MajOr and Scarlett's whine whereas Neeb would sabotage Protoss by saying something along the lines of early zerg aggro being not too difficult to hold at the very highest level.

I also think Showtime is just a better public speaker than Neeb. Neeb's a great guy but he can be very shy and humble, whereas what you say about Showtime giving us some real debate is more interesting.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
February 18 2018 08:21 GMT
#19
This has the potential to be the most boring balance talk ever
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
KappaKingPrime
Profile Joined May 2014
United States468 Posts
February 18 2018 09:15 GMT
#20
Serral got more votes than Scarlett, didn't expect that.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
February 18 2018 09:36 GMT
#21
On February 18 2018 17:21 Nerchio wrote:
This has the potential to be the most boring balance talk ever

Yeah, all my hype for this is gone, looking at the poll.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
TheWildShooter
Profile Joined September 2011
79 Posts
February 18 2018 11:24 GMT
#22
Special vs Showtime vs Nerchio would be the best balance talk, if you know what I mean
Don't ruin this, guys plz. Don't vote for neeb or serral, they are too shy and ain't gonna talk shit.
oGsMC <3
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-18 12:41:15
February 18 2018 12:35 GMT
#23
On February 18 2018 18:36 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2018 17:21 Nerchio wrote:
This has the potential to be the most boring balance talk ever

Yeah, all my hype for this is gone, looking at the poll.

Hype gone? Serral is quite up there currently still, no? What the heck?
why even
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
February 18 2018 12:37 GMT
#24
So we're either gonna get boring people (Neeb, Serral), or the biggest balance whiners (SpeCial, Scarlett, uThermal)...
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany330 Posts
February 18 2018 13:16 GMT
#25
i feel like people think its about gaming instead of balance DISCUSSION... the players beeing voted for arent the best at talking about the game i feel like.
LTCM
Profile Joined May 2017
174 Posts
February 18 2018 13:30 GMT
#26
Teran and zerg players are sabotaging protoss by voting for neeb while making sure they get their firebreathers in major and Scarlett.
Byun is a convicted match-fixer.
i-MajiN
Profile Joined August 2014
France113 Posts
February 18 2018 13:37 GMT
#27
Bit sad for Khelazur. Special and thermy will whine about balance
Nerchio would be an interesting guest he talks a lot during his stream
MC, Rain, PartinG, SoO, SoulKey, DRG, Leenock, Solar, Bomber, Polt, ByuN, MMA, Taeja, Ryung, FanTaSy // SKT Forever // OGTV#YoGo
Koivusto
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Finland542 Posts
February 18 2018 15:25 GMT
#28
What the heck? Haven't people seen enough interviews with neeb or serral?
#1 Blitzcrank #Forever platinum toss --> current diamond Terran <3
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 18 2018 16:38 GMT
#29
Have to go with Nerchio, SpeCial, and Showtime if you want an interesting discussion
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
February 18 2018 17:05 GMT
#30
On February 18 2018 21:35 D-light wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2018 18:36 Musicus wrote:
On February 18 2018 17:21 Nerchio wrote:
This has the potential to be the most boring balance talk ever

Yeah, all my hype for this is gone, looking at the poll.

Hype gone? Serral is quite up there currently still, no? What the heck?

Yeah and it's about talking and having a discussion, not about Serral playing. That's why I don't really get the votes.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Tommy131313
Profile Joined May 2016
Germany157 Posts
February 18 2018 18:27 GMT
#31
Hey, guys, do you really think Neeb and Serral are the most entertaining TALKERS?

...seriously...

It's someone like Showtime, Scarlett, Thermy, Special or Nerchio u wanna hear trashtalking
Mike L
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany162 Posts
February 18 2018 20:28 GMT
#32
voted for Showtime and Special to get some whine about it and Serral for reasonable criticism
waiting2Bbanned
Profile Joined November 2015
United States154 Posts
February 18 2018 20:45 GMT
#33
Showtime & Serral seem like reasonable people, but from the terran options there is none.. maybe Kelazhur is not a balance-whiner, but also not on the same level of play/knowledge as the rest
"If you are going to break the law, do it with two thousand people.. and Mozart." - Howard Zinn
Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States338 Posts
February 19 2018 01:26 GMT
#34
Looks like it may end up all NA at this rate.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 19 2018 01:32 GMT
#35
I'm actually kind of impressed with the number of votes. If only the LR threads had this many people participating
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
February 19 2018 01:48 GMT
#36
I'm actually kind of impressed with the number of votes. If only the LR threads had this many people participating


Some votes are clearly "artificial" if I may say so. Perhaps it is just my impression.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
February 19 2018 05:50 GMT
#37
Just let Scarlett talk about protoss. Entertainment will be guaranteed.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-19 06:17:58
February 19 2018 06:17 GMT
#38
On February 19 2018 02:05 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2018 21:35 D-light wrote:
On February 18 2018 18:36 Musicus wrote:
On February 18 2018 17:21 Nerchio wrote:
This has the potential to be the most boring balance talk ever

Yeah, all my hype for this is gone, looking at the poll.

Hype gone? Serral is quite up there currently still, no? What the heck?

Yeah and it's about talking and having a discussion, not about Serral playing. That's why I don't really get the votes.

I'm talking about Serral talking and having discussions. It's all about the (sometimes subtle) hype, and clearly some people yearn for it after getting a taste of it in the past.
why even
GrimscII
Profile Joined August 2016
28 Posts
February 19 2018 13:15 GMT
#39
Voted !
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2720 Posts
February 19 2018 15:58 GMT
#40
Voted for the NA Trio :D
very illegal and very uncool
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 19 2018 21:56 GMT
#41
Voted for Showtime, Special and Nerchio. These would make the most entertaining discussion I'd guess..
BjoernK
Profile Joined April 2012
194 Posts
February 21 2018 11:22 GMT
#42
No Heromarine vote?
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
February 21 2018 17:05 GMT
#43
Showtime, uthermal, elazer
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
Justinian
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom158 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-23 12:12:54
February 23 2018 12:11 GMT
#44
Yeah, for this to be really interesting to watch, it needed to be Showtime, special and nerchio. People seem to have voted for the best players, which is not likely to make for an interesting discussion when 2 of those players (neeb and serral) usually have very little to say.

Edit: to be fair, Scarlett it's actually winning the zerg poll and she usually has at least something to say.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
February 23 2018 12:17 GMT
#45
I dont think special is the best Terran candidate, he is way too whiny
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
StabiloBoss20
Profile Joined July 2015
313 Posts
February 26 2018 20:01 GMT
#46
Naniwa , avilo and the boss toss
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
February 26 2018 20:10 GMT
#47
On February 23 2018 21:17 Argonauta wrote:
I dont think special is the best Terran candidate, he is way too whiny


I'm pretty sure that's precisely why people are voting for him.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
April 03 2018 16:47 GMT
#48
Did this actually happen?
Can somebody provide a link if it did?
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CrankTV Team League
11:00
Crank Gathers S4: Qualifiers
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 262
Railgan 131
IndyStarCraft 120
MindelVK 43
RushiSC 33
StarCraft: Brood War
ggaemo 542
Soulkey 531
Jaedong 468
hero 78
scan(afreeca) 36
sorry 32
Free 32
soO 27
Dewaltoss 22
Hm[arnc] 20
[ Show more ]
Rock 19
Bale 8
Dota 2
Gorgc4676
Counter-Strike
fl0m1802
kRYSTAL_71
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King75
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu270
Other Games
Grubby2944
FrodaN1783
byalli441
Sick198
C9.Mang0142
ArmadaUGS111
UpATreeSC71
Trikslyr45
Chillindude21
JuggernautJason14
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV230
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream186
StarCraft 2
angryscii 31
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade1010
Other Games
• imaqtpie769
• Shiphtur420
Upcoming Events
Bombastic Starleague
48m
The PondCast
14h 48m
HomeStory Cup
15h 48m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
HomeStory Cup
1d 15h
Replay Cast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W1
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.