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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
There's an interview with Coach Park about Taeja in which he wonders how Taeja did what he did, saying he'd never seen a player like him who didn't practice, didn't stay in a teamhouse and still played the way he did. Besides the idea that ir Stephano had practiced more he'd be the best ever applies to a LOT of players. If Mvp had functioning wrists he may have won 4 more GSLs. It wasn't the case, so why bother arguing about it? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18696 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16084 Posts
On June 22 2017 20:40 sharkie wrote: i agree with Taeja but Life? Where did that myth appear? Life was only good when he practiced his first GSL he won when he was still in school. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18696 Posts
On June 22 2017 20:42 Charoisaur wrote: his first GSL he won when he was still in school. I think people overestimate how much school work he did back then | ||
hexhaven
Finland964 Posts
On June 22 2017 20:08 MockHamill wrote: Neeb is very good but he is not Stephano level. Stephano could show up at a tourney with a hangover and without a keyboard and stil beat up every player there. Didn't he pretty much try to do that in Jönköping, only this time it didn't quite work out so well. | ||
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
On June 22 2017 13:37 TheHumanLife wrote: To be honest, they did not prove enough they are top 10 in the world in my perspective. Foreigners always over hype their players every single year, and then getting disappointed in blizzcon, IEM, and any other offline premier tournament that Koreans enter. From what I saw, I am pretty sure Neeb and Serral seemed the 2 best foreigner right now and can be even in top 20 in the world. From my perspective, these players are strong enough to be in current world top 10, (no rank) Terran: ByuN, INnoVation, TY, Maru, GuMiho Zerg: soO, Dark Protoss: Stats, herO and also there are more players like ByuL, Solar, Rogue, and many other great Korean terran and protoss who can be called 'top 10' if Neeb and Serral can be called 'top 10' as well. I honestly think Neeb and Serral need much more proof to be known as better than these players... And again, foreigners always over hype their players every single year, and getting disappointed in most of the premier offline events including blizzcon in vs Korean players. But, I believe Neeb and Serral are young and have more potential than any other foreigners before against the Korean players. And since there are not much gap between top Koreans and top foreigners in zerg and protoss, I think Neeb and Serral maybe will have a good chance to prove someday. " and then getting disappointed in blizzcon, IEM, and any other offline premier tournament that Koreans enter." Neeb winning Kespa Cup doesnt prove nothing?? Only foreigner to win the Triple Crown.... And that says a lot, since Neeb has competed in very few Korean champs... | ||
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
On June 22 2017 13:15 sharkie wrote: "The hype is real" and then we get a no hype post summing up the tournament? :p Agreed | ||
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
On June 22 2017 14:18 ParksonVN wrote: lol, 2 players stomping a non-Korean tournament is enough for you to say they are in top 10 ? I can list at least 10 Korean that able to outplay either of these 2 easily. Its not about the result, its about the skill level | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On June 22 2017 22:38 Locutos wrote: Its not about the result, its about the skill level Have you seen IEM Katowice ? | ||
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
Neeb was on a slump back then... His current skill level is much higher | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On June 23 2017 02:10 Locutos wrote: Neeb was on a slump back then... His current skill level is much higher And Serral also improving after getting out of high school. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
" and then getting disappointed in blizzcon, IEM, and any other offline premier tournament that Koreans enter." Neeb winning Kespa Cup doesnt prove nothing?? Only foreigner to win the Triple Crown.... And that says a lot, since Neeb has competed in very few Korean champs... To be honest, from what I heard, the most of Korean pros interviewed that they did not practice much or at all before the Kespa Cup, since they were very exhausting of mad schedule in 2016, herO said he didn't practice for a while, and Solar said he just wanted to enjoy the Kespa cup and have some rest for the last part of the year or preparing blizzcon. And do you know how many Korean players are there who have won a single tournament in Korea? There are plenty of them. And also, winning two foreigner events does not make someone to top 10 in the world. Even, Code S mediocre player TRUE at that time, had One Crown in WCS. Right now, TRUE even failed to qualify in GSL code S s1 this year. (eliminated by KeeN). And he is currently in slump. Neeb is going for GSL s3 qualifier soon, so we are about to find out. Its not about the result, its about the skill level and how do you determine the world top 10 skill level without result? unless you have almost same skill level as pro to have foresight about someone's skill level. GSL is pretty tough, even top 5 players can fall in Ro32 I know. But from 2017, no foreigners have shown impressive result against Koreans (even Neeb and Serral) Neeb was in slump in early 2017, but that is the fact so far. And honestly, there is no true top 10 in sc2 btw, since there are too many top level players right now and it is meaningless to say who is top 10 or not in sc2. But I don't see that there are less than 10 Korean players who has same skill or better than Neeb and Serral currently. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On June 23 2017 04:26 TheHumanLife wrote: To be honest, from what I heard, the most of Korean pros interviewed that they did not practice much or at all before the Kespa Cup, since they were very exhausting of mad schedule in 2016, herO said he didn't practice for a while, and Solar said he just wanted to enjoy the Kespa cup and have some rest for the last part of the year or preparing blizzcon. And do you know how many Korean players are there who have won a single tournament in Korea? There are plenty of them. I'm not sure I believe that. Winning the Kespa Cup would have earned herO ~$28,000 ($18,100 for the Kespa cup and $10,000 for making the Global Playoffs. Solar had the Cross Finals on September 25th then turned around and played the Kespa cup on the 29th. He couldn't practice for 4 more days? He had basically only had to practice against Protoss. Both Classic and Patience were playing for a spot at the Global Playoffs and a minimum of $10,000 though I guess Patience technically secured that when he got out of his group and Classic didn't, so his motivation could have flagged at that point. TY had already punched his ticket to the Global Playoffs but he didn't want to get that failing to win tournaments monkey off his back? Stats had finally won a tournament when he won the first cross finals earlier that year, but I'm sure he would have liked to win something a little more prestigious than a 2-round invitational. Maybe all those players didn't take it seriously despite having something to play for. It is possible. They are young and young people do dumb things. But the "I didn't practice very hard" card feels like an attempt to discredit Neeb's performance. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
I'm not sure I believe that. Winning the Kespa Cup would have earned herO ~$28,000 ($18,100 for the Kespa cup and $10,000 for making the Global Playoffs. Solar had the Cross Finals on September 25th then turned around and played the Kespa cup on the 29th. He couldn't practice for 4 more days? He had basically only had to practice against Protoss. Both Classic and Patience were playing for a spot at the Global Playoffs and a minimum of $10,000 though I guess Patience technically secured that when he got out of his group and Classic didn't, so his motivation could have flagged at that point. TY had already punched his ticket to the Global Playoffs but he didn't want to get that failing to win tournaments monkey off his back? Stats had finally won a tournament when he won the first cross finals earlier that year, but I'm sure he would have liked to win something a little more prestigious than a 2-round invitational. Maybe all those players didn't take it seriously despite having something to play for. It is possible. They are young and young people do dumb things. But the "I didn't practice very hard" card feels like an attempt to discredit Neeb's performance. I am not trying to discredit Neeb's performance here. herO and Solar already said that through interview right before group stage starts. It has nothing to do with Neeb's performances. Korean players had very tiring schedules in 2016, and many of them wanted some rest, go to vacation and practice lesser in Kespa Cup than any SSL, GSL tournaments and team proleague (SPL). But, I am sure Classic and Patience tried hard in Kespa cup for blizzcon seed, but through what I read in Korean community at that time I heard many players are having rest and going vacation even right before Kespa cup starts. I am just saying truth. | ||
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JAG.war
United States76 Posts
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ruypture
United States367 Posts
On June 23 2017 11:49 JAG.war wrote: Spoilers make me sad. cheer up friend, we all knew neeb was the only one who had a chance to win anyways | ||
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RealReality86
11 Posts
On June 22 2017 19:30 Charoisaur wrote: Don't get me wrong, the Kespa Cup was by far the biggest achievement any foreigner has ever done. But Stephano and Naniwa have multiple years of consistently beating koreans and getting to multiple premier finals in the process. I don't rate Neeb's WCS wins very high for obvious reasons. Lol he won when the skill level was a joke and even when he did win he beat sub par koreans at best (Alicia Lucky) and lost to any who could play at the time (MVP Squirtle). Once that scrub roach max was gone he faded into oblivion. Actually when he lost to MVP MVP was pretty terrible and that was his last premier. | ||
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DinosaurPoop
687 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
On June 22 2017 10:26 Locutos wrote: Neeb and Serral are Tier 1 among korean now, no doubt about that, they are surely in top 10 world lol this is why the region locking is so stupid. you are blowing things way out of perspective because there isn't a korean to stomp foreign hopes back to reality. neeb is legit as he did win a korean tourney in the past, but he is not that good. him winning a non korean region locked tourney is good, but it doesn't put him in the top 10. competing in the gsl and advancing to the finals puts you in the top 10. | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
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