EPTOn January 16 2017 19:08 Major wrote:
I left too hate scummy people but i will find him 🤗
I left too hate scummy people but i will find him 🤗
Harstem, Major, Lambo leave Invasion eSport
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Elentos
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Pandemona
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ElusoryX
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On January 16 2017 18:47 Pandemona wrote: Out of question why do tournaments pay prize money to Organisations and not the players themselves? I could understand in a team based game but in Sc2 it is an individual game? Makes no sense to give prize money to the orgs. A long story about minimising the tax amount. | ||
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Pandemona
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Elentos
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[16thSq] Kuro
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On January 16 2017 18:59 Elentos wrote: Quick reminder, this is not the first accusation of this kind for Invasion. https://twitter.com/MVPChoya/status/759954001844576256 https://twitter.com/Startale_Legend/status/760101635553046528 https://twitter.com/Startale_Legend/status/760183725346869248 Yeah, I was surprised that Harstem is still there after all those news | ||
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lechatnoir
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Azhrak
Finland1198 Posts
On January 16 2017 18:47 Pandemona wrote: Out of question why do tournaments pay prize money to Organisations and not the players themselves? I could understand in a team based game but in Sc2 it is an individual game? Makes no sense to give prize money to the orgs. Transactions between companies and persons are tricky because of taxes and book keeping. It's easier to just let the team (another company) to send an invoice to the tournament organizer. Also, some teams take a cut out of the prize money. | ||
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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
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TsogiMaster
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Elentos
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On January 16 2017 19:08 Major wrote: I left too hate scummy people but i will find him 🤗 So would be good to rename to "Harstem and MajOr leave Invasion eSport" E: Wow that was fast | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 16 2017 19:13 Elentos wrote: So would be good to rename to "Harstem and MajOr leave Invasion eSport" E: Wow that was fast Using my insomnia to save esports once again | ||
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Elentos
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On January 16 2017 19:08 TsogiMaster wrote: Is the main guy Sebou, who had twitterfight with Stork, or is it someone else? I dont like that guy Sebou, he made some questionable actions. Not Stork, but Choya AND Legend. | ||
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Pandemona
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On January 16 2017 19:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Using my insomnia to save esports once again If you saved ESPORTS you would pay Harstem and Major. Not changing a thread name  | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
 And as I say every time this happens: when will there be a players union? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 16 2017 19:18 Pandemona wrote: If you saved ESPORTS you would pay Harstem and Major. Not changing a thread name Saving esports is such a thankless job :/ | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On January 16 2017 19:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Saving esports is such a thankless job :/ You'll be thanked when it's officially saved. Work to do yet! Bleh. Not surprising after the dodgy dealings earlier in the year. I assume there is no noteworthy names left on the team now? | ||
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Elentos
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On January 16 2017 19:31 Phredxor wrote: You'll be thanked when it's officially saved. Work to do yet! Bleh. Not surprising after the dodgy dealings earlier in the year. I assume there is no noteworthy names left on the team now? Lambo and Nightend are the biggest names on Invasion now. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Sad news, good luck to Major and Harstem! | ||
digmouse
China6330 Posts
On January 16 2017 19:08 TsogiMaster wrote: Is the main guy Sebou, who had twitterfight with Stork, or is it someone else? I dont like that guy Sebou, he made some questionable actions. If my memory serves me well it is the same guy who made a fuss out of Sioras watching Harstem's replay (despite that Harstem had no problems with it) at WCS Shanghai causing the former to be disqualified. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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Kotimex
Slovenia8 Posts
Life, Sebou,... Darn | ||
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Dungeontay
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Elentos
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At about 20 minutes Harstem joins the show. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On January 16 2017 21:47 Elentos wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVfunUz1yX0 At about 20 minutes Harstem joins the show. Oh nice, thanks! | ||
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ragz_gt
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On January 16 2017 21:40 Kotimex wrote: Why is sc2 so full of shady bussinesses? Life, Sebou,... Darn Not excusing them but it is very prevalent in esports because a lot of people rush in due to passion, but then a year and half later bills start to stack up. It is also a fairly often occurrence in the basement startup business. When you don't have a plan B sometime you end up in plan F | ||
Heyoka
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
Liquid'Harstem? Let's take over the Netherlands | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On January 16 2017 19:49 digmouse wrote: If my memory serves me well it is the same guy who made a fuss out of Sioras watching Harstem's replay (despite that Harstem had no problems with it) at WCS Shanghai causing the former to be disqualified. He was also involved with some payment withholding between him and Gumiho, leading into a twitter fight with Choya IIRC. | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
On January 16 2017 21:41 Dungeontay wrote: simple solution. find this guy. hang him. done And this is why we have laws and judges, to prevent people like you from getting your "justice" done | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
On January 16 2017 18:47 Pandemona wrote: Out of question why do tournaments pay prize money to Organisations and not the players themselves? I could understand in a team based game but in Sc2 it is an individual game? Makes no sense to give prize money to the orgs. Probably because the teams want a cut of the prize money. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
now I hope to hear from Demuslim defending Sebou again like he did last time when he was shitting on Choya I'm looking forward to see what he says to Harstem and Major | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Major is pretty unlucky with this stuff Sebou seemed very involved in the scene as well, and the brand was around for quite a while now, sad to see in the end it all comes crashing down like so many other teams did before. | ||
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Musicus
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Yrr
Germany804 Posts
- Chubz who apparently plays Overwatch for a different team now. - IMComingHome, has no Liquipedia page. - Miniraser who appears to be inactive. - Nightend | ||
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snickasaurus
United Kingdom11 Posts
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hfsrj
Germany166 Posts
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elfonse
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https://twitter.com/kingsebou?lang=en | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
best of luck to the players who were robbed of their winnings. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On January 16 2017 19:18 Cascade wrote: Sucks for the players... And as I say every time this happens: when will there be a players union? As soon as player are willing to pay into a players union organization I suppose. | ||
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VanCaspel
Netherlands250 Posts
. Hope they get picked up by a decent team soon... | ||
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Majick
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On January 16 2017 21:41 Dungeontay wrote: simple solution. find this guy. hang him. done On January 16 2017 19:08 Major wrote: i will find him 🤗 Ermm.... | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 17 2017 01:54 hfsrj wrote: Yeah and recently Rifkin was defending Sebou https://twitter.com/Rif_kingz/status/760194273262247936 Demuslim called Choya a rat if I remember correctly. | ||
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Durnuu
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On January 17 2017 02:43 stuchiu wrote: Demuslim called Choya a rat if I remember correctly. Looks more like a chipmunk imo | ||
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verecunda
Korea (South)121 Posts
I remember that twitterfight. I remember being appalled by the disrespect coming from that Sebou person - taunting Choya and Legend, photoshopping evidence and so on. Now he rips off from his own team members as well? It's a shame that such a person entered this scene. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On January 17 2017 01:55 elfonse wrote: just noticed that sebou's twitter is now protect/private https://twitter.com/kingsebou?lang=en Yeah, I remember at one point his profile read "call me boss or i'll ignore you" with several pictures / tweets purporting his awesome "lifestyle". Not shady at all.. On January 17 2017 02:43 stuchiu wrote: Demuslim called Choya a rat if I remember correctly. Not sure what your point is? Was he called a rat specifically for the Sebou / Choya drama or just in general? | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 17 2017 03:28 Ctone23 wrote: Yeah, I remember at one point his profile read "call me boss or i'll ignore you" with several pictures / tweets purporting his awesome "lifestyle". Not shady at all.. Not sure what your point is? Was he called a rat specifically for the Sebou / Choya drama or just in general? in general/both was what I got from it. | ||
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Cluster__
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fishjie
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207aicila
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On January 17 2017 01:54 hfsrj wrote: Yeah and recently Rifkin was defending Sebou https://twitter.com/Rif_kingz/status/760194273262247936 And Choya has never done anything nice for his players, that's why he's been so respected ever since the early days of WoL... give me a break. Not sure if Rifkin is trying to be controversial for the attention or just wants everyone to hate him at this point. Maybe he should stick to the casting rather than talk about veterans of the scene who've been more respected before he even knew what SC2 was. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
Never known Demuslim to be the secretive type, iirc he was always pretty open about his time at EG, etc, so that's pretty funny to see him call someone else a rat. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On January 16 2017 19:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: The "man in charge" is probably Sebou, who has been Twitter silent since August. He's filthy rich and there absolutely no reason for him to withhold player money outside of laziness. You can never have too much money. I hope Rifkin hopes a "Rip off the Players Tournament." | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On January 16 2017 19:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: The "man in charge" is probably Sebou, who has been Twitter silent since August. He's filthy rich and there absolutely no reason for him to withhold player money outside of laziness. Is he "filthy rich" though? I know he posted extravagant pictures and all, but you never know such things.. People pretend to be wealthy all the time. Ever heard the term "30,000 millionaire"? Basically people outspending what they make, eventually leading to disaster. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 17 2017 07:13 Ctone23 wrote: Is he "filthy rich" though? I know he posted extravagant pictures and all, but you never know such things.. People pretend to be wealthy all the time. Ever heard the term "30,000 millionaire"? Basically people outspending what they make, eventually leading to disaster. Maybe. Could have just been faking it and now he's running away with some money, who knows? | ||
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Cluster__
United States328 Posts
On January 17 2017 08:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Maybe. Could have just been faking it and now he's running away with some money, who knows? This is a very reasonable assumption. He supposedly managed some hedge funds, which is surprising in itself but not unheard of. If this is true, he would be making a very hefty paycheck. Either way, he clearly likes to present himself as having more money than he knows what do with, which is definitely pretty distasteful/nauseating. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
On January 17 2017 07:13 Ctone23 wrote: Is he "filthy rich" though? I know he posted extravagant pictures and all, but you never know such things.. People pretend to be wealthy all the time. Ever heard the term "30,000 millionaire"? Basically people outspending what they make, eventually leading to disaster. i googled 30k millionaire and was thoroughly entertained. thank you! | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
. What legal recourse do players have in these situations? | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On January 17 2017 10:30 fishjie wrote: i googled 30k millionaire and was thoroughly entertained. thank you! I never knew there was a name for this. My grandfather used to call that 'a rich people's head on a poor man's body' and I was fine with that. but the urban dictionnary definition is pretty awesome. + Show Spoiler + A 30k millionaire does this in order to make himself look like he's somebody, but in reality, he goes home at night and jacks off, using his own tears as lube. also, Rifkin being Rifkin I guess... | ||
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BlackWaste
United States4 Posts
6 months ago isn't exactly recently, and he's only stating things from his experience. No reason to bring un-involved people into this. | ||
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Antonidas
United States105 Posts
New WCS system = Destroys Korean scene New WCS system = Koreans join foreign teams. Replace foreigners over time. New WCS system = fail | ||
hexhaven
Finland955 Posts
On January 17 2017 11:00 tili wrote: This is such an unacceptable yet reoccurring pattern . What legal recourse do players have in these situations?It largely depends on the contents of their contract, if they have one written out. Even so, it might be prohibitively expensive to fight this, especially depending on the amount of money being owed. | ||
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FXOBoSs
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Choya is a good guy, smart, professional when necessary and a very strong character. I also know that he will always fight for his team mates and friends. Just sayin' as I don't like it when my korean mates are getting shit talked. | ||
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Poopi
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Corvuuss
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On January 17 2017 19:51 Poopi wrote: Isn't this guy the manager who got some upcoming rookie protoss player out of a tournament because he jokingly took a look at Harstem replays? :o It was a zerg player but yeah pretty much. I think we shouldn't judge rifkin and demuslim too much because their tweets are made of their own experience with choya (which might be bad ones). And I think sebou is an ass for pulling something like this off. | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On January 17 2017 17:09 Antonidas wrote: New WCS system = Increase diversity New WCS system = Destroys Korean scene New WCS system = Koreans join foreign teams. Replace foreigners over time. New WCS system = fail Idk how can you bash something totally irelevant to this, I recommend you visit your doctor and take your meds! :^) | ||
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OtherWorld
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SiorasSC
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On January 17 2017 19:51 Poopi wrote: Isn't this guy the manager who got some upcoming rookie protoss player out of a tournament because he jokingly took a look at Harstem replays? :o xd | ||
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Elentos
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On January 17 2017 20:24 OtherWorld wrote: Well, it's not like some people had been warning everyone from the start, right ? Hey At least it took 3 years to implode this time. Is this a new record yet? | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 17 2017 21:25 Elentos wrote: Hey At least it took 3 years to implode this time. Is this a new record yet? The cat likes to toy with its prey | ||
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
Well, ironically I'm commenting right now, but you catch my drift. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
On January 18 2017 04:17 fishjie wrote: i have never heard of this rifkin guy but he sounds like a scumbag as well, defending another scumbag while disparaging choya He's the guy from Basetrade TV | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On January 17 2017 17:24 hexhaven wrote: It largely depends on the contents of their contract, if they have one written out. Even so, it might be prohibitively expensive to fight this, especially depending on the amount of money being owed. This may sound outlandish, but it may be worth all players paying a small % of their winnings to an insurance pool for just such occasions. No single player/small group could fight this, but ALL pro-players are threatened by this type of behavior, since very few are independent wealthy. | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
But i guess it works both ways. We also have alot of unprofessional players. Will they get fined for bm, or not showing up to tournaments? | ||
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