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Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
January 16 2017 22:13 GMT
#61
On January 16 2017 19:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
The "man in charge" is probably Sebou, who has been Twitter silent since August. He's filthy rich and there absolutely no reason for him to withhold player money outside of laziness.

Is he "filthy rich" though? I know he posted extravagant pictures and all, but you never know such things..

People pretend to be wealthy all the time. Ever heard the term "30,000 millionaire"? Basically people outspending what they make, eventually leading to disaster.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 16 2017 23:21 GMT
#62
On January 17 2017 07:13 Ctone23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 19:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
The "man in charge" is probably Sebou, who has been Twitter silent since August. He's filthy rich and there absolutely no reason for him to withhold player money outside of laziness.

Is he "filthy rich" though? I know he posted extravagant pictures and all, but you never know such things..

People pretend to be wealthy all the time. Ever heard the term "30,000 millionaire"? Basically people outspending what they make, eventually leading to disaster.

Maybe. Could have just been faking it and now he's running away with some money, who knows?
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Cluster__
Profile Joined September 2013
United States328 Posts
January 17 2017 00:50 GMT
#63
On January 17 2017 08:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 07:13 Ctone23 wrote:
On January 16 2017 19:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
The "man in charge" is probably Sebou, who has been Twitter silent since August. He's filthy rich and there absolutely no reason for him to withhold player money outside of laziness.

Is he "filthy rich" though? I know he posted extravagant pictures and all, but you never know such things..

People pretend to be wealthy all the time. Ever heard the term "30,000 millionaire"? Basically people outspending what they make, eventually leading to disaster.

Maybe. Could have just been faking it and now he's running away with some money, who knows?


This is a very reasonable assumption. He supposedly managed some hedge funds, which is surprising in itself but not unheard of. If this is true, he would be making a very hefty paycheck. Either way, he clearly likes to present himself as having more money than he knows what do with, which is definitely pretty distasteful/nauseating.
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
January 17 2017 01:30 GMT
#64
On January 17 2017 07:13 Ctone23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 19:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
The "man in charge" is probably Sebou, who has been Twitter silent since August. He's filthy rich and there absolutely no reason for him to withhold player money outside of laziness.

Is he "filthy rich" though? I know he posted extravagant pictures and all, but you never know such things..

People pretend to be wealthy all the time. Ever heard the term "30,000 millionaire"? Basically people outspending what they make, eventually leading to disaster.


i googled 30k millionaire and was thoroughly entertained. thank you!
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
January 17 2017 02:00 GMT
#65
This is such an unacceptable yet reoccurring pattern . What legal recourse do players have in these situations?
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 03:59:40
January 17 2017 03:59 GMT
#66
On January 17 2017 10:30 fishjie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 07:13 Ctone23 wrote:
On January 16 2017 19:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
The "man in charge" is probably Sebou, who has been Twitter silent since August. He's filthy rich and there absolutely no reason for him to withhold player money outside of laziness.

Is he "filthy rich" though? I know he posted extravagant pictures and all, but you never know such things..

People pretend to be wealthy all the time. Ever heard the term "30,000 millionaire"? Basically people outspending what they make, eventually leading to disaster.


i googled 30k millionaire and was thoroughly entertained. thank you!


I never knew there was a name for this. My grandfather used to call that 'a rich people's head on a poor man's body' and I was fine with that.

but the urban dictionnary definition is pretty awesome.

+ Show Spoiler +
A 30k millionaire does this in order to make himself look like he's somebody, but in reality, he goes home at night and jacks off, using his own tears as lube.


also, Rifkin being Rifkin I guess...
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BlackWaste
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 09:14:09
January 17 2017 07:12 GMT
#67
On January 17 2017 01:54 hfsrj wrote:
Yeah and recently Rifkin was defending Sebou
+ Show Spoiler +




6 months ago isn't exactly recently, and he's only stating things from his experience. No reason to bring un-involved people into this.
Antonidas
Profile Joined August 2014
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 08:10:00
January 17 2017 08:09 GMT
#68
New WCS system = Increase diversity

New WCS system = Destroys Korean scene

New WCS system = Koreans join foreign teams. Replace foreigners over time.

New WCS system = fail
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hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland963 Posts
January 17 2017 08:24 GMT
#69
On January 17 2017 11:00 tili wrote:
This is such an unacceptable yet reoccurring pattern . What legal recourse do players have in these situations?


It largely depends on the contents of their contract, if they have one written out. Even so, it might be prohibitively expensive to fight this, especially depending on the amount of money being owed.
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FXOBoSs
Profile Joined August 2011
337 Posts
January 17 2017 09:06 GMT
#70
I interpret "Choya is greedy and hard to work with" as "I am not willing to put in the business effort to make things work with choya".

Choya is a good guy, smart, professional when necessary and a very strong character. I also know that he will always fight for his team mates and friends.

Just sayin' as I don't like it when my korean mates are getting shit talked.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12912 Posts
January 17 2017 10:51 GMT
#71
Isn't this guy the manager who got some upcoming rookie protoss player out of a tournament because he jokingly took a look at Harstem replays? :o
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Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
January 17 2017 11:00 GMT
#72
On January 17 2017 19:51 Poopi wrote:
Isn't this guy the manager who got some upcoming rookie protoss player out of a tournament because he jokingly took a look at Harstem replays? :o


It was a zerg player but yeah pretty much.

I think we shouldn't judge rifkin and demuslim too much because their tweets are made of their own experience with choya (which might be bad ones).

And I think sebou is an ass for pulling something like this off.
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PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
January 17 2017 11:10 GMT
#73
On January 17 2017 17:09 Antonidas wrote:
New WCS system = Increase diversity

New WCS system = Destroys Korean scene

New WCS system = Koreans join foreign teams. Replace foreigners over time.

New WCS system = fail


Idk how can you bash something totally irelevant to this, I recommend you visit your doctor and take your meds! :^)
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 17 2017 11:24 GMT
#74
Well, it's not like some people had been warning everyone from the start, right ?
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SiorasSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2015
23 Posts
January 17 2017 12:19 GMT
#75
On January 17 2017 19:51 Poopi wrote:
Isn't this guy the manager who got some upcoming rookie protoss player out of a tournament because he jokingly took a look at Harstem replays? :o

xd
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55572 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 12:25:41
January 17 2017 12:25 GMT
#76
On January 17 2017 20:24 OtherWorld wrote:
Well, it's not like some people had been warning everyone from the start, right ?

Hey

At least it took 3 years to implode this time. Is this a new record yet?
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 17 2017 13:09 GMT
#77
On January 17 2017 21:25 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 20:24 OtherWorld wrote:
Well, it's not like some people had been warning everyone from the start, right ?

Hey

At least it took 3 years to implode this time. Is this a new record yet?

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Koivusto
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Finland542 Posts
January 17 2017 13:42 GMT
#78
The sad truth is that we've seen so many of these that we know that they won't resolve and there really is no big urge to even comment. Hence only four pages of comments.

Well, ironically I'm commenting right now, but you catch my drift.
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
January 17 2017 19:17 GMT
#79
i have never heard of this rifkin guy but he sounds like a scumbag as well, defending another scumbag while disparaging choya
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
January 17 2017 19:41 GMT
#80
On January 18 2017 04:17 fishjie wrote:
i have never heard of this rifkin guy but he sounds like a scumbag as well, defending another scumbag while disparaging choya

He's the guy from Basetrade TV
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