On January 06 2017 19:16 FFW_Rude wrote:
If i would say that all French players were dicks it wouldn't matter that i'm french. (Of course i'm not saying they say KR players are dicks but you get the point)

but you are saying that all French players are dicks, right?

Foxxan

Sweden3427 Posts

January 06 2017 11:54 GMT

#22

When i saw the headline... Faceless koreans i actually thought the person that got interviewed was gonna bring it up.
Clickbait title..

I dont found koreans faceless. Might only be me but innovation are cool as hell imo.
Agree with someone who said "when you call a person boring, you mean his playstyle", very true. If you want to talk about his personality you imo write that or you call it "irl"

"innovation is boring"=boring playstyle
"innovation is boring irl", his personality etc.

bObA

France300 Posts

January 06 2017 12:02 GMT

#23

On January 06 2017 06:42 FFW_Rude wrote:
Again with the "faceless"... They are not faceless.

You can see it for exemple in HSC. You have incontrol speaking to the korean like they are fluent in english and it gets awkward. Then you have ToD who will get answer because he speaks really slow and with few words and you see the light in their eyes because they understood the question and can answer.

Just do a SC2 event in full russian and see how foreigners will be faceless.

No efforts are done for the korean to show their personality. See GSL or SSL preshow ? And you see Korean trash talking.

Really well said

Hushfieldx

Belgium64 Posts

January 06 2017 12:15 GMT

#24

Nice interview. As an esports viewer you sort of suspect production and casters are leading the narrative, but it's still cool to read about the inner workings of that and how in the end of the day some of these big esports narratives are the result of one person deciding to go with narrative A instead of narrative B. Thanks for the effort

Elentos

55585 Posts

January 06 2017 12:39 GMT

#25

On January 06 2017 20:54 Foxxan wrote:
When i saw the headline... Faceless koreans i actually thought the person that got interviewed was gonna bring it up.
Clickbait title..

I dont found koreans faceless. Might only be me but innovation are cool as hell imo.
Agree with someone who said "when you call a person boring, you mean his playstyle", very true. If you want to talk about his personality you imo write that or you call it "irl"

"innovation is boring"=boring playstyle
"innovation is boring irl", his personality etc.

Everyone should know by now that "faceless Korean" isn't in reference to their play though.

I mean in that case some foreigners would be double faceless because they have no personality and copy Korean players' styles.

Vaftrudner

Sweden1185 Posts

January 06 2017 15:00 GMT

#26

On January 06 2017 04:23 Eonar wrote:
Anyone who knows innovation will be hyped for innovation. This whole "faceless korean" thing is really overplayed, and I think total nonsense.

I agree completely. I mean, for example, I loved Noregret's interviews on Nation Wars, he's a great character and very funny. But if I'm gonna sit down and watch someone play, I'm picking Innovation over him 10 times out of 10. It's a bonus to have an entertaining player or an emotional story, but I've never understood why there's so much focus on it when sick gameplay is the most rewarding and entertaining thing of all.

Charoisaur

Germany16081 Posts

January 06 2017 17:57 GMT

#27

On January 06 2017 04:23 Eonar wrote:
Anyone who knows innovation will be hyped for innovation. This whole "faceless korean" thing is really overplayed, and I think total nonsense.

yeah, this faceless korean talk is just a myth born of the fact that we can't relate as well to them due to the language barrier.
I mean we have a lot of koreans who show a ton of personality like MKP, MC, PartinG, MMA, Polt, Byun, Dark etc and on the foreigner side we have for example Neeb who shows even less personality than INnoVation and also a lot of other guys who are very calm but I have never seen someone call them faceless.

bObA

France300 Posts

January 06 2017 19:23 GMT

#28

On January 07 2017 02:57 Charoisaur wrote:

Show nested quote +

true !!!

Aquila Magna

Germany38 Posts

January 06 2017 19:27 GMT

#29

On January 06 2017 19:13 ZertoN wrote:
this interviewer has said some terrible stuff about players he doesnt like. like really terrible stuff. incredibly mean and nasty.

imagine the roles were reversed and somebody said the kind of things he says towards players to TL employees - he would get banned!

The style of this post is SO Trump-like! I was ready to read his name on that. The only thing missing is the "sad" at the end xD

chocomaro

Canada16 Posts

January 07 2017 00:37 GMT

#30

are we done with calling koreans Faceless yet? it's borderline racist at this point, bringing it up in an interview just reinforces that myth

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

January 07 2017 07:56 GMT

#31

On January 06 2017 20:16 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:

Show nested quote +

but you are saying that all French players are dicks, right?

i never saw if you don't get the point or try to do some rethorical stuff FD.

On January 07 2017 09:37 chocomaro wrote:
are we done with calling koreans Faceless yet? it's borderline racist at this point, bringing it up in an interview just reinforces that myth

It seams to be a SC2/foreigner thing. I for one don't like to bring BW in SC2 thread but man.... No korean were ever called faceless when we watched BW and we didn't even know what they said because english broadcasts barely existed and we didn't care. We liked to see them play, win, lose. We loved players for their smiles, their playstyle or just because whatever.

Or maybe it's not a SC2/Foreigner thing but a generational difference. I don't know.

point is. Why do we care ? It's like people want to watch the preshow, the pre-interviews and need trash talk to get hypped. When people watch sports, they watch sports. You don't watch soccer or tenis for the banter that player will say during interview. In fact if you watch soccers interviews you will see/hear : "We are a good team, we will do a good match" and no one cares.

opisska

Poland8852 Posts

January 07 2017 12:36 GMT

#32

hahaha innovation, the literal face of sc2 is now faceless? the memes have taken a toll in wax's soul that can't be udone it seems ...

chobra seems such a chill guy here, this was curiously much better vibe than his actual hosting, when i always felt he wasnt very genuine.