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lioneros
Profile Joined November 2016
15 Posts
November 20 2016 12:15 GMT
#21
btw. Why isn't Nerchio participating?

Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 12:23:53
November 20 2016 12:22 GMT
#22
On November 20 2016 21:10 Haukinger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2016 20:20 Olli wrote:
You realize that the community literally paid for these Koreans to go to HSC? You really can't speak for everyone if you don't enjoy them being there, a lot of people very apparently do.


You know, when the "you-have-to-pay-for-koreans-if-you-want-them-at-hsc" action started on the taketv stream, I asked Naruto how to donate against the Koreans, and promised the then-asked $5000, if they didn't bring any Korean. And Naruto answered, literally, we don't want the money, we want the Koreans, because everyone likes them and it's so good for business and such. And now they say they don't get sponsors anymore, even though they can show Koreans playing all day long...


You have to be a real special kind of person to donate for the cause of not giving the best players in the world a chance to play abroad, and have fans miss out on them.

Sponsors being hard to find is a general issue for SC2, no matter if Koreans are playing or not.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
lioneros
Profile Joined November 2016
15 Posts
November 20 2016 12:31 GMT
#23
It is understood that some fans are pissed because Koreans are winning, but it would be stupid and childish to compete only between foreigners and then cheer that they are the best. I favor foreigners(now Sortof) but I think the best shall win, no matter if foreigner or Korean.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
November 20 2016 12:36 GMT
#24
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...

You're trying to make these things related even though they're not. Starcraft 2 and HSC itself are money sinks for sponsors. Other than the sense of personal accomplishment, they gain nothing from sponsoring tournaments. This doesn't magically change with or without Korean players. If a 32 foreigner HSC had 3 times the viewers you could try to start making an argument that makes any sense. But it wouldn't.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 20 2016 12:36 GMT
#25
On November 20 2016 21:22 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2016 21:10 Haukinger wrote:
On November 20 2016 20:20 Olli wrote:
You realize that the community literally paid for these Koreans to go to HSC? You really can't speak for everyone if you don't enjoy them being there, a lot of people very apparently do.


You know, when the "you-have-to-pay-for-koreans-if-you-want-them-at-hsc" action started on the taketv stream, I asked Naruto how to donate against the Koreans, and promised the then-asked $5000, if they didn't bring any Korean. And Naruto answered, literally, we don't want the money, we want the Koreans, because everyone likes them and it's so good for business and such. And now they say they don't get sponsors anymore, even though they can show Koreans playing all day long...


You have to be a real special kind of person to donate for the cause of not giving the best players in the world a chance to play abroad, and have fans miss out on them.

Sponsors being hard to find is a general issue for SC2, no matter if Koreans are playing or not.

Yeah and HSC X had insane viewership, and we also had 7/8 koreans in the top 8 back then.

HSC XIII with 7/8 foreigners had not even half the viewership.

It's has zero to do with Korean or Foreigner @Haukinger, you just want to have the best players possible on the final day.

Overall the numbers for sc2 are just declining and and getting sponsors is hard, having no Koreans at HSC would just make it worse.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 12:38:40
November 20 2016 12:38 GMT
#26
I like that title. It embodies an ideal I find cool (hehe).

OT: Been nice to watch some Starcraft 2 again. I miss the old days a bit, but honestly legacy is cool to watch. I still followed the scene and its stories from afar, just getting the general idea of what was happening over there, and it seems I missed the era of foreigners apparently.

I expected Neeb to show up way more dominantly than he did (losing a game to Stephano...?), and if any foreigner in the Ro8, I didn't foresee SortOf in that role.
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lioneros
Profile Joined November 2016
15 Posts
November 20 2016 12:55 GMT
#27
Btw. nice viewer number. Having 25K every eveniing is nice. Does it meet the expectations of TakeTV?
Majick
Profile Joined August 2016
416 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 13:29:26
November 20 2016 13:28 GMT
#28
On November 20 2016 21:15 lioneros wrote:
btw. Why isn't Nerchio participating?


Yeah, I would love to see how he would perform here

Still probably the best tournament of the year. I think 32 players and double group stage is the perfect format!

Thanks TakeTV! <3
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
November 20 2016 13:47 GMT
#29
On November 20 2016 21:10 Haukinger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2016 20:20 Olli wrote:
You realize that the community literally paid for these Koreans to go to HSC? You really can't speak for everyone if you don't enjoy them being there, a lot of people very apparently do.


You know, when the "you-have-to-pay-for-koreans-if-you-want-them-at-hsc" action started on the taketv stream, I asked Naruto how to donate against the Koreans, and promised the then-asked $5000, if they didn't bring any Korean. And Naruto answered, literally, we don't want the money, we want the Koreans, because everyone likes them and it's so good for business and such. And now they say they don't get sponsors anymore, even though they can show Koreans playing all day long...

Ahaha because the last hsc without koreans attracted so much more people right?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
November 20 2016 14:39 GMT
#30
How does solar beat sOs in the finals if he loses 3-0 to stats?
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
November 20 2016 16:08 GMT
#31
So you are so proud of yourself that you once in a while got a prediction rock solid right, that you needed a community news for that?
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
November 20 2016 16:35 GMT
#32
Sortof confirmed best foreigner. Of course, we knew that all along. Feels good man
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
November 20 2016 16:56 GMT
#33
On November 20 2016 21:15 lioneros wrote:
btw. Why isn't Nerchio participating?


why would you play HSC when you can play a go4sc2 ?
Garemie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States248 Posts
November 20 2016 17:20 GMT
#34
Terran never
Bomber | CJ herO | Snute
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 20 2016 19:24 GMT
#35
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


Higher Level of Play. Highest Viewer numbers = Korean Matches.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10112 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 20:12:40
November 20 2016 20:11 GMT
#36
wrong thread
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
November 20 2016 20:11 GMT
#37
On November 21 2016 04:24 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


Higher Level of Play. Highest Viewer numbers = Korean Matches.

If that were true this HSC would blow the last HSC where the only Korean was TRUE out of the water, but it isn't.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
November 20 2016 20:27 GMT
#38
On November 21 2016 05:11 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2016 04:24 NarutO wrote:
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


Higher Level of Play. Highest Viewer numbers = Korean Matches.

If that were true this HSC would blow the last HSC where the only Korean was TRUE out of the water, but it isn't.

You're wrong https://www.fuzic.nl/franchises/homestory-cup/
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
November 20 2016 20:57 GMT
#39
On November 21 2016 05:27 munch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2016 05:11 Solar424 wrote:
On November 21 2016 04:24 NarutO wrote:
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


Higher Level of Play. Highest Viewer numbers = Korean Matches.

If that were true this HSC would blow the last HSC where the only Korean was TRUE out of the water, but it isn't.

You're wrong https://www.fuzic.nl/franchises/homestory-cup/

HSC 13: 31,951
HSC 14: 31,977
What a difference
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
November 20 2016 21:09 GMT
#40
On November 20 2016 23:39 Cricketer12 wrote:
How does solar beat sOs in the finals if he loses 3-0 to stats?

well, still closer to the mark that the writers
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
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