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Axiom Disbands - Page 4

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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
October 16 2015 07:53 GMT
#61
Will miss the team
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
SCguineapig
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Netherlands289 Posts
October 16 2015 08:28 GMT
#62
NOOOO, the bad news just keeps piling up, This must be really tough on TB to get so much bad news in such a short period of time.
broodwar wasn't perfect
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 16 2015 08:33 GMT
#63
oh well
Zerg for Life
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
October 16 2015 09:13 GMT
#64
Best of luck to TB and the players.

Cancer is a horrible disease and i hope you can win that battle.

BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 16 2015 09:31 GMT
#65
This is a tragedy. A huge one.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 16 2015 09:37 GMT
#66
Too bad, but understandable
Neosteel Enthusiast
REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
October 16 2015 10:05 GMT
#67
Are you guys gonna delete Axiom flair now? Since the team is dead.

Isn't that how it works?
S4 Arrows, never forget. RIP Woongjin Stars.
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
October 16 2015 10:10 GMT
#68
This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.

Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.
I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45338 Posts
October 16 2015 10:25 GMT
#69
This is sad to hear, but it makes sense That sucks though. I hope everyone finds success in the future <3
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
olimoley
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States742 Posts
October 16 2015 10:58 GMT
#70
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote:
This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.

Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.

I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.
Events Manager, Team Liquid - Creator of OlimoLeague
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
October 16 2015 11:01 GMT
#71
all the best to TB!
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
October 16 2015 11:11 GMT
#72
This is a terrible blow for the scene.

I am saddened by this news, TB's condition and the team closure. Though I never met an Axiom member in person and 'know' them only by interviews, I felt a team spirit incomparable to other teams.

But all this is overshadowed by the cancer.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
October 16 2015 11:23 GMT
#73
CranK is such a stand up guy
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3oxtfw/thank_you_axiom/
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
PockyStix
Profile Joined August 2014
Canada39 Posts
October 16 2015 11:34 GMT
#74
it's like having a shitty day at work and then heading home and your garage is on fire
KT best team
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 16 2015 12:09 GMT
#75
Messages from players>
http://www.axiomesports.com/articles/news/axiom-esports/119/Axiom-Fighting-Messages-from-the-Players/
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18603 Posts
October 16 2015 12:13 GMT
#76
On October 16 2015 19:58 olimoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote:
This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.

Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.

I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.


He always claimed that Axiom cost him no money and it was self sufficient. He even flamed other people who didn't believe him.
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
October 16 2015 12:33 GMT
#77
On October 16 2015 19:58 olimoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote:
This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.

Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.

I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/483792-axiom-barely-exists?view=all

Post #33 he says next sponsor Axiom will be turning a profit and he has said it's self sustaining.
I just feel like the plug was pulled rather quickly, which is understandable if the majority of the money is coming out of his pocket/efforts but it's supposedly not.

Since you do read TL and respond what does this mean for the majority of the players then end of the road? Military? Back to education or other work?
I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
scotch4789
Profile Joined July 2013
United States42 Posts
October 16 2015 12:45 GMT
#78
Just by reading the player responses you can tell that Axiom succeeded as family. There is no strife between the players or management, just shared concern for TB. Its a great thing to see. Unfortunately it takes something horrible to bring this to center stage. gg Axiom.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 16 2015 12:46 GMT
#79
Best of luck to TB and his health and hopefully all the former Axiom players find new homes with good teams.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
olimoley
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States742 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-16 13:19:34
October 16 2015 13:06 GMT
#80
On October 16 2015 21:33 Ovid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2015 19:58 olimoley wrote:
On October 16 2015 19:10 Ovid wrote:
This choice I only partly get, didn't TB say that Axiom were now self sufficient money wise? I'm sure a huge part of that was TB's influence and the starcraft channel he operates/clan wars ect but I feel this is a bit quick to pull the plug.

Eitherway It's a sad day best of luck to all involved.

I don't believe he ever said that. We were almost to the point where they could break even, but not yet. We were seeking ways to keep the team going, but with his CT results it is now time for John to focus his time, money, and energy on his upcoming treatment and his family.


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/483792-axiom-barely-exists?view=all

Post #33 he says next sponsor Axiom will be turning a profit and he has said it's self sustaining.
I just feel like the plug was pulled rather quickly, which is understandable if the majority of the money is coming out of his pocket/efforts but it's supposedly not.

Since you do read TL and respond what does this mean for the majority of the players then end of the road? Military? Back to education or other work?


Yeah if I'm recalling correctly about who the sponsor would have been the next sponsor we had in the works it would have been profitable, but so many things came up we never signed papers with them. So, we would have been but at the time of the disbanding it was not.

Also given how that post is from April, it's been 6 months since then and tons of things have changed. Our performance wasn't good and a revamp for proleague means more investing/more members and it's just not reasonable to do that anymore. Anyways, let's not sour this ending with management simulator 2015.

CranK is retiring (see other thread). CranK wrote this:
After everything is done, I may stream until I find another job or other job in eSports. I'm not popular and big streamer but I'll keep it up to support my wife and the family that my best friends John and Genna made. Showing John and Genna all Axiom members are doing well after Axiom disbands is our job to make them relief.


Ryung and Heart will be looking for new teams and we will help them with their search.
Events Manager, Team Liquid - Creator of OlimoLeague
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