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rotta
5596 Posts
On August 27 2015 18:17 DarkGamer wrote: i dont understand the part with solar and innovation. do they come to msi or is the decision not made yet? Solar is confirmed: | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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AKAvg
Brazil298 Posts
I would've asked my best performing player of proleague to stay for next week's matches if I could. It's good for Zest too as he's competing with herO for proleague wins so Win-Win scenario. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 27 2015 17:31 Inflicted wrote: There's a good chance SSL & GSL will be won by players in the Top 15 and it'll be sOs vs TY for the 16th spot This will all depend on who wins the WCS in Poland ... I believe, both sOs and TY can still make a few hundred points and the 16th place can be held by someone from the guys before them. | ||
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otzowski
Germany26 Posts
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otzowski
Germany26 Posts
On August 27 2015 18:35 Diabolique wrote: This will all depend on who wins the WCS in Poland ... I believe, both sOs and TY can still make a few hundred points and the 16th place can be held by someone from the guys before them. No, Blizzard had to cancel every wcs point for this waste MSI tournament because of WCS distortion. It's unfair competetition and if Blizzard wants to save its face it must prevent such wcs points premiers as this MSI where someone try's to distort road to Blizzcon with his invites that are brazen-faced and against terran (TY/Fantasy)! -.- | ||
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rotta
5596 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On August 27 2015 20:45 otzowski wrote: No, Blizzard had to cancel every wcs point for this waste MSI tournament because of WCS distortion. It's unfair competetition and if Blizzard wants to save its face it must prevent such wcs points premiers as this MSI where someone try's to distort road to Blizzcon with his invites that are brazen-faced and against terran (TY/Fantasy)! -.- Please stop bolding your posts. | ||
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Psychotikah
Canada101 Posts
I want sos to be at blizzcon. He is one of sc2's most entertaining player. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 27 2015 20:57 Psychotikah wrote: If this had happened at the beginning of the season no one would have said a thing. I want sos to be at blizzcon. He is one of sc2's most entertaining player. Absolutely, I want sOs and JD at BlizzCon - although none of them would be a favorite and would probably lose in the first round, they also could win against anyone (primarily sOs), so I am so happy about sOs at MSI ... | ||
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EvilsPresley
France132 Posts
On August 27 2015 20:50 rotta wrote: I agree that giving WCS points to invited players that don't have to win a single map to earn them is wrong, especially if it has this much impact... What? Invited players HAVE TO get out of their group to earn WCS points, don't they? It's against the WCS rules to award points to invited players without requiring them to win matches. Then you can argue that sOs is in a 2 foreigners group, so the points will be quite easy to earn for him, but it has always been the case for most foreign wekk-end LANs. Anyway, Lilbow will win WCS in Poland and will kick them out of top 16 :-D #baguette | ||
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rotta
5596 Posts
On August 27 2015 21:13 EvilsPresley wrote: What? Invited players HAVE TO get out of their group to earn WCS points, don't they? It's against the WCS rules to award points to invited players without requiring them to win matches. Yeah, you're right, I was just looking at the table. | ||
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EvilsPresley
France132 Posts
On August 27 2015 21:17 rotta wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_MSI_Masters_Gaming_Arena 13th-16th $350 125 No, that is just the TL display. He will get 0 if he loses. You can check http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings for a more accurate tracking of WCS points (even if sometimes not up to date). As example, Curious was invited in Kespa Cup 2 and was the only invited to lose in first round, so he scored 0 points, whereas other first round losers had to win maps in qualifiers and got awarded with 125 pts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_KeSPA_Cup_Season_2 EDIT : OK, ninja edited :p So don't worry, sOs will get 0 if he's kicked in group stage. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 27 2015 20:50 rotta wrote: I agree that giving WCS points to invited players that don't have to win a single map to earn them is wrong, especially if it has this much impact... sOs is an "invited player"? He played the Korean qualification and was sent out by Zest one round before the final. They should offer the place to Stats, probably he could not or refused or something, so the next player from the qualification sent out by Zest was sOs . | ||
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otzowski
Germany26 Posts
Please stop bolding your posts. keep calm, boy. one has to go off while reading this rubbish by MSI and bolding underlines it accordingly... sOs is an "invited player"? He played the Korean qualification and was sent out by Zest one round before the final. They should offer the place to Stats, probably he could not or refused or something, so the next player from the qualification sent out by Zest was sOs. yeah but this is the logic of an ant, just stupid out-and-out because it would be just fair to give the spot to dark who dropped out in the semi's as stats did. the logic from KT Rolster is consistent when Zest forfeits his spot so that Stats do either because of proleague preparation. And it has to be the duty of Blizzard to intercede and stop the biased bullshit of MSI (just inviting Protoss and Zergs that are just on the verge of Blizzcon like sOs, Jaedong or Hyun and ignoring the terrans). What? Invited players HAVE TO get out of their group to earn WCS points So what??? who cares??? sOs has to play Harstem and Toodming. How can he even fail against this opponents? never ever so these are free give away's in wcs points for sOs.. just undue influence-.- but this is also why sc2 lost its viewer, nobody want to see neither PvP nor ZvZ (excerpt of MSI organization and some nuts...) | ||
Orlok
Korea (South)227 Posts
On August 27 2015 22:07 otzowski wrote: keep calm, boy. one has to go off while reading this rubbish by MSI and bolding underlines it accordingly... yeah but this is the logic of an ant, just stupid out-and-out because it would be just fair to give the spot to dark who dropped out in the semi's as stats did. the logic from KT Rolster is consistent when Zest forfeits his spot so that Stats do either because of proleague preparation. And it has to be the duty of Blizzard to intercede and stop the biased bullshit of MSI (just inviting Protoss and Zergs that are just on the verge of Blizzcon like sOs, Jaedong or Hyun and ignoring the terrans). So what??? who cares??? sOs has to play Harstem and Toodming. How can he even fail against this opponents? never ever so these are free give away's in wcs points for sOs.. just undue influence-.- but this is also why sc2 lost its viewer, nobody want to see neither PvP nor ZvZ (excerpt of MSI organization and some nuts...) Ok, it seems you really hate watching mirror matches and having players with a chance to make Blizzcon get pot shots at a chance to make it into the top 16. Well, its simple really, don't watch. Wait until all the mirror matchups in the bracket are out, and then just watch when the games become for you more interesting. And about the "Blizzard has to stop this bias invitations for Terrans" Well, are there any terrans that will actually benefit via the WCS circuit by coming here? I don't see any. While it does suck for some people, in the end the tournaments, while being a source of entertainment for us, its also the player's livelihood right there; they need these to make a living. Considering that, I don't think its unfair for tournaments to extend their invites for players with a chance to make it to bigger heights. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24236 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 27 2015 22:07 otzowski wrote: yeah but this is the logic of an ant, just stupid out-and-out because it would be just fair to give the spot to dark who dropped out in the semi's as stats did. the logic from KT Rolster is consistent when Zest forfeits his spot so that Stats do either because of proleague preparation. And it has to be the duty of Blizzard to intercede and stop the biased bullshit of MSI (just inviting Protoss and Zergs that are just on the verge of Blizzcon like sOs, Jaedong or Hyun and ignoring the terrans). OK, I should have written - first, it should have been offered to Stats, then to Dark, then to sOs ... maybe, Stats and Dark refused ... So what??? who cares??? sOs has to play Harstem and Toodming. How can he even fail against this opponents? never ever so these are free give away's in wcs points for sOs.. just undue influence-.- but this is also why sc2 lost its viewer, nobody want to see neither PvP nor ZvZ (excerpt of MSI organization and some nuts...) What a bullshit - sOs just replaced Zest in "Zest's group". Nobody changed the group to be in favor of sOs, nobody manipulated anything, they just put sOs on the place of Zest into his group. Are you mad to complain about it? Would you propose to change the groups because of sOs so that he is put into some more difficult group??? What a nonsense thinking!!! | ||
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Orr
United States168 Posts
Makes sense Inno is going, given that SKT already has their spot in the GF locked in. And agree w/ Deacon about Samsung. Solar is very important to their PL team (especially given his recent resurgence), but is still a rotating lineup regular as they also frequently start their 3 T, and Dear. Whereas Zest is the anchor for KT and must be fielded every time. Missing the season ending playoffs would be much, much more catastrophic for KT than Samsung. As the defending PL champions, and w/ likely a massive payroll (comparable to SKT) and sponsorship expectations, missing out would be a crushing failure. Especially when you add in their heavy star power, and gigantic midseason acquisition of Life (at that time, the best player in the world). For Samsung, getting into the playoffs would be a great breakthrough, but I can't imagine it was a realistic expectation for them this season. | ||
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rotta
5596 Posts
On August 27 2015 21:20 EvilsPresley wrote: So don't worry, sOs will get 0 if he's kicked in group stage. I really hope that doesn't happen though :D | ||
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