EPTOn March 26 2015 06:00 Shellshock wrote:
But zest doesn't even have a good pl record
But zest doesn't even have a good pl record
He had the most wins in round 1 along with INnoVation, and the raw amount of wins is what they go by.
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Elentos
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He had the most wins in round 1 along with INnoVation, and the raw amount of wins is what they go by. | ||
Darkhorse
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On March 26 2015 06:00 Shellshock wrote: But zest doesn't even have a good pl record Yeah looks like they go by wins and not win% which is kinda silly but is much easier to use | ||
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Elentos
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On March 26 2015 07:06 Darkhorse wrote: Yeah looks like they go by wins and not win% which is kinda silly but is much easier to use If you go by % they have 6 people with 100% winrates in round 1, 4 of which only played one game. If they wanted a different approach, they'd have to take the difference between the number of wins and losses for each player. But sorting by wins is obviously easier. | ||
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Alucen-Will-
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On March 26 2015 07:14 Darkhorse wrote: Elentos you are absolutely right there are tons of people that have an inflated win rate without enough competition. However, I struggle to come to terms with Zest getting it (7-8 overall) over Byul (9-5 overall) I think this was done from the proleague round 1 results, hence the selections | ||
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Darkhorse
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On March 26 2015 07:30 Alucen-Will- wrote: I think this was done from the proleague round 1 results, hence the selections Bleh even so. First off I would question why only round one counted and then I would ask why 6-5 is better than 5-3. Oh well. | ||
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Elentos
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On March 26 2015 07:30 Alucen-Will- wrote: I think this was done from the proleague round 1 results, hence the selections It has to, if they included round 2 we'd probably end up with something like INnoVation, herO, ByuL and then Losira or Dark or something (they don't count playoffs in the totals, so the statistics page on liquipedia doesn't help with that and I'm not gonna add up all the values myself <.<). On March 26 2015 07:32 Darkhorse wrote: Bleh even so. First off I would question why only round one counted and then I would ask why 6-5 is better than 5-3. Oh well. Well, I reckon counting round 2 makes no sense because round 1 is over, round 2 isn't. There are still a few weeks for players to ruin/improve their round 2 record. | ||
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Yorkie
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Alucen-Will-
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On March 26 2015 07:32 Darkhorse wrote: Bleh even so. First off I would question why only round one counted and then I would ask why 6-5 is better than 5-3. Oh well. I suppose I personally don't have an issue with it because I think he's better than his qualifier results. Ironically Zest failed in qualifiers for years in individual leagues (while doing decently well in proleague) and then he qualifies for the first gsl, and wins. He then goes on to be the best player in 2014, and recently after making an individual leage (IEM Katowice) he wins. It should say something about the difficulty of qualifiers and the difference between them and televised matches I'm glad SPOTV has introduced seeded players because it removes some of the perceived randomness in qualifiers and the disconnect between televised performance and performance at a pc bang | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On March 26 2015 08:47 Yorkie wrote: ^^^"best player in 2014" is quite debatable. Don't mind the invite too much I guess even if he got so many wins solely because he played a shitload of games. I'm just happy Losira is in with his 5-1 record ? Zest had the most dominant year since Mvp's 2011. He's the best player of 2014 by far. | ||
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Alucen-Will-
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On March 26 2015 08:47 Yorkie wrote: ^^^"best player in 2014" is quite debatable. Don't mind the invite too much I guess even if he got so many wins solely because he played a shitload of games. I'm just happy Losira is in with his 5-1 record I think most reasonable fans considered him to be universally the best player of the year. Gsl champion Gsl super tournament champion Kespa Cup Champion Ro4 GSL S2 2nd at IEM Toronto Ro4 GSL S3 Ro16 At wcs finals (lost to champion life 3-2 Ro4 Hot6 Cup 20-16 in proleague, KT beats SKT and wins the league. Should be fairly clear he was the best player of the year | ||
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Yorkie
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On March 26 2015 08:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: ? Zest had the most dominant year since Mvp's 2011. He's the best player of 2014 by far. LOL. He won a GSL and the Kespa Cup. He didn't win the most money in 2014. he didn't win the most tournaments. He's up there for sure and probably was the best player of the year overall but don't compare him to 2011 Mvp. In 2011 Mvp won 2 MLGs, WCG, Blizzcon, and 3 GSLs. Not to mention smaller tourneys and team leagues. | ||
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royalroadweed
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SNSeigifried
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Darkhorse
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On March 26 2015 08:42 Alucen-Will- wrote: I suppose I personally don't have an issue with it because I think he's better than his qualifier results. Ironically Zest failed in qualifiers for years in individual leagues (while doing decently well in proleague) and then he qualifies for the first gsl, and wins. He then goes on to be the best player in 2014, and recently after making an individual leage (IEM Katowice) he wins. It should say something about the difficulty of qualifiers and the difference between them and televised matches I'm glad SPOTV has introduced seeded players because it removes some of the perceived randomness in qualifiers and the disconnect between televised performance and performance at a pc bang What the what? Ok first you say you think it's ok because his losses in the qualifiers aren't legit. So people who we think are good who fail in qualifiers we should just seed in. GIVE SOO I don't get your second point "It should say something about the difficulty of qualifiers and the difference between them and televised matches". Are you saying qualifiers are harder or easier? Either way, they're something all players have to get through sooooooo what Zest shouldn't because reasons? Also your point about IEM doesn't do much for me. Your third point leads me to believe that you think Zest is a bonjwa in the booth and he only loses in qualifiers because playing not on a stage is random. Huh. Guess that's why he is sub 50% in SPL and lost Hot6ix, Blizzcon, etc Anyway I think Zest is very good and deserving of an invite. I don't agree that they arbitrarily decided to cut it off at round one and just go by wins not having a winning record but hey what do I know. Also Zest was the best player of 2014 imo | ||
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