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icecon
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil62 Posts
April 11 2015 05:43 GMT
#941
Don't get me wrong, big props to CJ for how they've done.

However, Jin Air would be undefeated just like them if it wasn't for Katowice taking key starters. CJ got lucky that week in that they only had to face Prime, so there was no need for herO heroics.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 11 2015 06:21 GMT
#942
On April 11 2015 14:43 icecon wrote:
Don't get me wrong, big props to CJ for how they've done.

However, Jin Air would be undefeated just like them if it wasn't for Katowice taking key starters. CJ got lucky that week in that they only had to face Prime, so there was no need for herO heroics.

BB Entus would roll over any other eSF A-team/KeSPA B-team though d:
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18694 Posts
April 11 2015 14:51 GMT
#943
On April 11 2015 14:43 icecon wrote:
Don't get me wrong, big props to CJ for how they've done.

However, Jin Air would be undefeated just like them if it wasn't for Katowice taking key starters. CJ got lucky that week in that they only had to face Prime, so there was no need for herO heroics.


CJ's B team all had already first team experience. That's why CJ rolled over Prime.
Jin Air fielded players who never had lineup experience
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-11 15:01:06
April 11 2015 14:54 GMT
#944
On April 11 2015 23:51 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 14:43 icecon wrote:
Don't get me wrong, big props to CJ for how they've done.

However, Jin Air would be undefeated just like them if it wasn't for Katowice taking key starters. CJ got lucky that week in that they only had to face Prime, so there was no need for herO heroics.


CJ's B team all had already first team experience. That's why CJ rolled over Prime.
Jin Air fielded players who never had lineup experience

Jin Air fielded sOs, Rogue, WCS champion Pigbaby and GSL finalist Symbol; and they lost in the ace match because DTs. Which is to say, the lineup JAGW fielded didn't have to lose. And obviously CJ didn't always have to win.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
dyDrawer
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada438 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-11 17:31:29
April 11 2015 17:30 GMT
#945
Looking back there were obviously some pretty undervalued players at the beginning of the round.

herO for only 7? Yeah, it's true that his performance this round exceeds expectations even for a player of his caliber, but I don't see how it's justifiable that an Ace level player on a successful and competitive team should cost lower than other Ace players on successful teams. How much better than herO do you expect Maru or INnoVation to perform, if you're giving them 2 extra costs?

Trap for 3? When you look at the Jin Air roster, I don't see anybody on that team who clearly outclasses him as a 3rd or 4th man. This isn't some random bench player that sees play like once a season. This is some one who's proven himself to be a solid contributor in Proleague. There were two other 3 cost players if I remembered correctly, and they don't even compare to Trap.

soO, Stats and Dream were all undervalued at the beginning of this round IMO, but herO and Trap were the two that particularly stood out as the most obvious picks.
Dear, Rain, PartinG, Trap - "Glory to the Firstborn"
Nezgar
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany535 Posts
April 11 2015 18:27 GMT
#946
Well, prizing is also based upon recent performance.
Besides: It is expected that a player gains 3-4 times the points of his cost. I don't think it was unreasonable to assume that herO would only gain 21-28 points this round. In fact ByuL, who was priced at 7 points as well, gained more points than herO last round.
Trap went 1-1 last round and was competing against Cure (5-2) and Rogue (4-2), two more accomplished players, for the 3rd/4th slot on JAGW. Cure and Rogue both had better stats than their team's two top dogs, sOs and Maru, and played more combined ace matches. With an expected 4-5 team wins and maybe 1 individual win (like last round) it was reasonable to expect him to gain ~8-10 points which would mean a 3 point cost.

If anything you could argue that a fair amount of players where overpriced instead (Life and Inno at 9, Bbyong and Dark at 8, etc.). With prizes being mostly based on recent performance it's always hard to anticipate which players will perform well in the upcoming round. herO playing 4-3 or 7-0 makes a huge difference in terms of points or price but it's not unreasonable to predict him playing either way any given day.
TronJovolta
Profile Joined April 2013
United States323 Posts
April 11 2015 18:42 GMT
#947
On April 12 2015 02:30 dyDrawer wrote:
Looking back there were obviously some pretty undervalued players at the beginning of the round.

herO for only 7? Yeah, it's true that his performance this round exceeds expectations even for a player of his caliber, but I don't see how it's justifiable that an Ace level player on a successful and competitive team should cost lower than other Ace players on successful teams. How much better than herO do you expect Maru or INnoVation to perform, if you're giving them 2 extra costs?

Trap for 3? When you look at the Jin Air roster, I don't see anybody on that team who clearly outclasses him as a 3rd or 4th man. This isn't some random bench player that sees play like once a season. This is some one who's proven himself to be a solid contributor in Proleague. There were two other 3 cost players if I remembered correctly, and they don't even compare to Trap.

soO, Stats and Dream were all undervalued at the beginning of this round IMO, but herO and Trap were the two that particularly stood out as the most obvious picks.


Trap was a little too cheap, but he kind of was a random player for Jin Air til his PL and IEM performances. It was just really good timing. But before he joined, nobody could have guessed he'd go on such a tear. He wasn't a solid contributor to Proleague until AFTER this round started homie...
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 11 2015 19:08 GMT
#948
Panic with 9 points for a cost of 1 is the real deal d:
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Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
April 13 2015 09:04 GMT
#949
see if I can finish strong, 30th worldwide going into the final week. Theoretically should have traded Jinair out for KT, but meh whatever
icecon
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil62 Posts
April 13 2015 11:52 GMT
#950
Bought Zoun a couple weeks ago because I needed a Protoss, had San on Anti. *fistpump*
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
April 13 2015 12:00 GMT
#951
BrAvO killing meeeeeee T_T
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5624 Posts
April 13 2015 12:14 GMT
#952
On April 13 2015 21:00 Silvana wrote:
BrAvO killing meeeeeee T_T

Me too, I was struggling over my anti trade for quite a while and chose to get rid of Solar instead.
don't wall off against random
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 13 2015 12:16 GMT
#953
On April 13 2015 21:00 Silvana wrote:
BrAvO killing meeeeeee T_T

DIE DIE DIE
:D
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-13 13:31:23
April 13 2015 13:22 GMT
#954
On April 13 2015 21:16 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 21:00 Silvana wrote:
BrAvO killing meeeeeee T_T

DIE DIE DIE
:D


but I have Leenock on my main so you better be praying

edit: *sigh*
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 13 2015 13:30 GMT
#955
On April 13 2015 22:22 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 21:16 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 13 2015 21:00 Silvana wrote:
BrAvO killing meeeeeee T_T

DIE DIE DIE
:D


but I have Leenock on my main so you better be praying

That was close d:
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
April 13 2015 17:43 GMT
#956
well, that didn't quite hit the mark -.-
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
April 14 2015 07:39 GMT
#957
The main question for me right now: is Flash, Zest and KT with MK on anti enough to get to the first page?! Brain: no, heart: yes. A man can hope!
Insert wise words here
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-14 10:06:52
April 14 2015 08:26 GMT
#958
On April 13 2015 21:14 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 21:00 Silvana wrote:
BrAvO killing meeeeeee T_T

Me too, I was struggling over my anti trade for quite a while and chose to get rid of Solar instead.

I got rid of Pet instead of Bravo.

Yeah after the really great first season I am experiencing the typical sophomore slump. Well, I guess it's ok if I finish in the top 5% or top-100 even, which kinda seems like a miracle atm.

Edit. Oh yeah and also traded Panic for Leenock. Maybe Panic will win now haha.

Edit2. HAHA
why even
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
April 14 2015 09:56 GMT
#959
What do you guys think: Who misunderstood the meaning of this group .. the try-harder or the non-traders
http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Standings.php?r=23&g=3815
:p
Where is my ACE flair
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 14 2015 11:58 GMT
#960
On April 14 2015 02:43 Silvana wrote:
well, that didn't quite hit the mark -.-

GG
I acknowledge my defeat.
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