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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 14 2014 04:11 GMT
#21
On November 14 2014 12:55 Die4Ever wrote:
WCS points so early...

Do they actually contribute to 2015 WCS, or did GOM go autopilot here?
Refer to my post.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17671 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 04:12:09
November 14 2014 04:11 GMT
#22
On November 14 2014 13:11 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 12:55 Die4Ever wrote:
WCS points so early...

Do they actually contribute to 2015 WCS, or did GOM go autopilot here?



seems like they're actually getting points for 2015
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duckk
Profile Joined March 2013
United States622 Posts
November 14 2014 04:24 GMT
#23
they would put soo in the second group
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 14 2014 04:38 GMT
#24
lol, Marineking qualified only to be put into the second hardest group of the tournament. At least Flash got a group that gives him a realistic shot at advancing.
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swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
November 14 2014 04:45 GMT
#25
A: Innovation and Hero- No explanation. These two are just the best in their groups.
B: Rain and sOs- Soo is in a huge slump and Baby isn't THAT good...but he might make it out.
C: Flash and Soulkey- The best two players in their group. I can't see Skyhigh or Classic even taking a game off of either of these two players.
D; Zest and Parting- No explanation needed
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
November 14 2014 04:55 GMT
#26
On November 14 2014 13:45 swag_bro wrote:
A: Innovation and Hero- No explanation. These two are just the best in their groups.
B: Rain and sOs- Soo is in a huge slump and Baby isn't THAT good...but he might make it out.
C: Flash and Soulkey- The best two players in their group. I can't see Skyhigh or Classic even taking a game off of either of these two players.
D; Zest and Parting- No explanation needed


On November 14 2014 13:49 swag_bro wrote:
Taeja and Life are the only players I can see winning a GSL anytime soon.


You're just full of interesting opinions today, aren't you?
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51446 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 05:06:42
November 14 2014 05:02 GMT
#27
On November 14 2014 12:42 Yakikorosu wrote:
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On November 14 2014 11:44 movac wrote:
yup I definitely think WCS points should be rewarded. I thought it was unfortunately all those tournaments post blizzcon pre 2014 didn't contribute to this year's ranking. Rain could have potentially made blizzcon if he got points for winning last year's hot6 cup.


Last year, Hot6ix Cup was an invite-only tournament so it didn't qualify to give WCS points--you need to have an open qualifier to award WCS points. As I understand for this same reason, DreamHack Winter isn't eligible to give WCS points.


explain why homestory cup x has no wcs points on offer then even though it always has open qualifiers?
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Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 05:10:23
November 14 2014 05:08 GMT
#28
On November 14 2014 14:02 GTR wrote:
i'm sorry, but if Homestory Cup X isn't providing WCS points because it was intended as an end-of-year off period tournament, then this shouldn't as well.
also aren't the stipulations of WCS tournaments are that they use the current ladder map pool?


I think to give WCS points at least 25% of spots for participating in a tournament have to be determined by open qualifier. HSC9, which gave WCS points, had 8/32 from open bracket. HSC10 has only 4/32 from open bracket. So maybe that's the reason.

Edit: Yeah, here's the link with that requirement (at least this is the one for the 2014 season):

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/11702848/starcraft-ii-world-championship-series-2014-11-20-2013

See third from the top
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
November 14 2014 05:14 GMT
#29
On November 14 2014 14:02 GTR wrote:
i'm sorry, but if Homestory Cup X isn't providing WCS points because it was intended as an end-of-year off period tournament, then this shouldn't as well.


HSC invited 28/32 players. Hot6ix Cup invited 6/32, 4 of them based on GSL performance. I'm perfectly at peace with this awarding WCS points when HSC does not. That and are you really complaining about Koreans having too many opportunities to rack up WCS points?

also aren't the stipulations of WCS tournaments are that they use the current ladder map pool?


That's an interesting question. I imagine Blizzard got in touch with the usual suspects and told them they could reuse the previous map pool for tournament play. There's no way we're awarding WCS points off of XNC in 2015...
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 05:33:18
November 14 2014 05:21 GMT
#30
WCS points... Like, for 2015? While we're in 2014? That's a bit strange (also they'll use the S3 map pool probably, which is contrary to the WCS requirements)
Gogo herO, soO, Zest, Flash, sOs and the Bbyongwa !
And predictions :
Group A : (P)herO[jOin], (T)INnoVation
Group B : (P)Rain, (P)sOs
Group C : (P)Classic, (Z)Soulkey
Group D : (P)Zest, (T)Bbyong
Then (P)Rain, (P)herO[jOin] or (P)Zest to win it all
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banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
November 14 2014 05:22 GMT
#31
On November 14 2014 13:45 swag_bro wrote:
A: Innovation and Hero- No explanation. These two are just the best in their groups.
B: Rain and sOs- Soo is in a huge slump and Baby isn't THAT good...but he might make it out.
C: Flash and Soulkey- The best two players in their group. I can't see Skyhigh or Classic even taking a game off of either of these two players.
D; Zest and Parting- No explanation needed


no love for skyhigh or classic

also explanation is indeed needed for PartinG over Bbyong, Bbyong smashed him last time they played. and I think you're underestimating Stats a lot
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Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
November 14 2014 05:32 GMT
#32
On November 14 2014 11:14 Brutaxilos wrote:
All four brackets seem pretty stacked, can't decide a group of death imo.

Seriously, 4 groups of death, this tournament is more stacked than Blizzcon.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
November 14 2014 05:41 GMT
#33
On November 14 2014 14:22 banjoetheredskin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 13:45 swag_bro wrote:
A: Innovation and Hero- No explanation. These two are just the best in their groups.
B: Rain and sOs- Soo is in a huge slump and Baby isn't THAT good...but he might make it out.
C: Flash and Soulkey- The best two players in their group. I can't see Skyhigh or Classic even taking a game off of either of these two players.
D; Zest and Parting- No explanation needed


no love for skyhigh or classic

also explanation is indeed needed for PartinG over Bbyong, Bbyong smashed him last time they played. and I think you're underestimating Stats a lot


Classic can't take a game off Flash or Soulkey? soO's in a "huge slump" because he just barely lost to Taeja in one of the most competitive, high-skill series of the year? No explanation needed for the claim that Bbyong has no chance against PartinG?

It's malarkey.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 14 2014 05:47 GMT
#34
On November 14 2014 14:41 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 14:22 banjoetheredskin wrote:
On November 14 2014 13:45 swag_bro wrote:
A: Innovation and Hero- No explanation. These two are just the best in their groups.
B: Rain and sOs- Soo is in a huge slump and Baby isn't THAT good...but he might make it out.
C: Flash and Soulkey- The best two players in their group. I can't see Skyhigh or Classic even taking a game off of either of these two players.
D; Zest and Parting- No explanation needed


no love for skyhigh or classic

also explanation is indeed needed for PartinG over Bbyong, Bbyong smashed him last time they played. and I think you're underestimating Stats a lot


Classic can't take a game off Flash or Soulkey? soO's in a "huge slump" because he just barely lost to Taeja in one of the most competitive, high-skill series of the year? No explanation needed for the claim that Bbyong has no chance against PartinG?

It's malarkey.

haha yeah i think he was high when he wrote that
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negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
November 14 2014 05:59 GMT
#35
MARINEKING HYPE

FUCK YOU ALL
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
November 14 2014 06:00 GMT
#36
Seeing MarineKing on MVP still looks so utterly wrong.
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2102 Posts
November 14 2014 06:08 GMT
#37
On November 14 2014 14:32 Evil_Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 11:14 Brutaxilos wrote:
All four brackets seem pretty stacked, can't decide a group of death imo.

Seriously, 4 groups of death, this tournament is more stacked than Blizzcon.

Honestly, I have way higher expectations for both the players and the results of this than I did for Blizzcon. Blizzcon just isn't a very good setting for a tournament, as can be seen from the last two Blizzcon finals.......
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
November 14 2014 06:09 GMT
#38
On November 14 2014 14:02 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 12:42 Yakikorosu wrote:
On November 14 2014 11:44 movac wrote:
yup I definitely think WCS points should be rewarded. I thought it was unfortunately all those tournaments post blizzcon pre 2014 didn't contribute to this year's ranking. Rain could have potentially made blizzcon if he got points for winning last year's hot6 cup.


Last year, Hot6ix Cup was an invite-only tournament so it didn't qualify to give WCS points--you need to have an open qualifier to award WCS points. As I understand for this same reason, DreamHack Winter isn't eligible to give WCS points.


explain why homestory cup x has no wcs points on offer then even though it always has open qualifiers?


"WCS Events with 32 or more players: At least 25% of the total spots must be attainable through an open qualifier"

25% of 32 is 8. HSC only has 4 qualified spots.
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 06:11:31
November 14 2014 06:11 GMT
#39
On November 14 2014 14:14 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 14:02 GTR wrote:
i'm sorry, but if Homestory Cup X isn't providing WCS points because it was intended as an end-of-year off period tournament, then this shouldn't as well.


HSC invited 28/32 players. Hot6ix Cup invited 6/32, 4 of them based on GSL performance. I'm perfectly at peace with this awarding WCS points when HSC does not. That and are you really complaining about Koreans having too many opportunities to rack up WCS points?

Show nested quote +
also aren't the stipulations of WCS tournaments are that they use the current ladder map pool?


That's an interesting question. I imagine Blizzard got in touch with the usual suspects and told them they could reuse the previous map pool for tournament play. There's no way we're awarding WCS points off of XNC in 2015...


From WCS 2015 announcement:

Map Pool

WCS Season Maps (same as ladder during the WCS season)

The qualifiers should use the same map pool as the actual onsite event. If this is not possible due to the timeline of the qualifier and a map pool update, the live map pool should be used for the qualifier. This is not a requirement during the WCS off-season.
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 06:12:50
November 14 2014 06:11 GMT
#40
I predict...

A: INno and herO (though Stats was starting to look really good a few months ago)
B: Rain and soO (sOs would not surprise me at all; TY I think is a bit of an underdog outside of a Bo1 setting)
C: Classic and Flash (Probably the most predictable group; it's been a loooong time since I've been impressed with one of Soulkey's games, and the players Soulkey beat to qualify (CranK, GuMiho, Dream and Sorry) are not elite players)
D: Zest and PartinG (I'm just not fully sold on Bbyong yet; his TvP has always looked overly reliant on SCV pulls to me)
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