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The Gamble: The Story Behind TooDming

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AldarisGCE
Profile Joined June 2013
United States20 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 22:03:40
July 17 2014 22:01 GMT
#1
Most of you probably do not know much about TooDming other than he is a Zerg player from China. He is 26 years old by American standards. He plays for the team called ZOO, Zenith of Origin. What most of you may not know, is that the financial backers of ZOO stopped supporting the team a few months ago. This means that TooDming and his teammates Courage and Top have no funding to attend any tournaments or events. TooDming told me that he personally paid for his trip to WCS and Red Bull Atlanta with his own personal savings. The word he used to describe his decision was Gamble. He told me that everything rides on his trip to america. If he doesn't perform well his team may have to disband and it is possible that we may not see him or his teammates for a very long time if not ever again. He wanted to perform well not just for himself but for his team and for his country. His main concern was not personal gain. His first worry was performing well for his team so that they may get a new sponsor to support them. He may not have won it all, but he has the heart of a true champion. He has been around since Brood War and had played professionally since the start of WoL. Please go follow him on twitter at www.twitter.com/TooDming to show your support and help him save his team.
Sour About That
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
July 17 2014 22:32 GMT
#2
That's a pretty epic story when you read it closely.


TooDming told me that he personally paid for his trip to WCS and Red Bull Atlanta with his own personal savings.


Wouldn't that be quite a bit of money for ordinary families in China?
Vete
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 22:35:31
July 17 2014 22:35 GMT
#3
Maybe it could be the money which he won before
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 22:46:11
July 17 2014 22:45 GMT
#4
You know...he can join the rest of us and get a job. I mean I sympathize and all...but seriously.

feels first world problem-esque.
i like cheese
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
July 17 2014 22:50 GMT
#5
Pretty awesome story, it takes a lot of courage to really commit to something that has no garauntees. Hope TooDming does well and the pressure doesn't get to him!
In Somnis Veritas
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 17 2014 22:53 GMT
#6
On July 18 2014 07:45 Phanekim wrote:
You know...he can join the rest of us and get a job. I mean I sympathize and all...but seriously.

feels first world problem-esque.

I don't know where you got the impression that China is a first world country.
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 17 2014 23:00 GMT
#7
great story, I was really looking forward to the 2nd paragraph tho
Sc2 Terran Coach, top 16GM NA - interested in coaching? Message me on teamliquid!
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
July 17 2014 23:01 GMT
#8
I heard before about ZOO's financial problems, I hope they will solve them soon, they seems a good team.
Vasacast always in my <3
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
July 17 2014 23:03 GMT
#9
On July 18 2014 07:45 Phanekim wrote:
You know...he can join the rest of us and get a job. I mean I sympathize and all...but seriously.

feels first world problem-esque.


He has a job. He's a professional athlete in the sport of StarCraft II.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
XanaNA
Profile Joined September 2013
United States15 Posts
July 17 2014 23:06 GMT
#10
Mind adding a source? Not that I don't believe you, I was just wondering if ZOO has announced that they are having financial problems or something like that. Pretty cool that TooDming payed for the tournaments out of pocket, shows a lot of dedication. Best wishes to him! Hope the team recovers.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2630 Posts
July 17 2014 23:21 GMT
#11
Met TooDming at MLG, great guy and super friendly (plus he has a sick haircut!). Would really feel bad if he had to quit. Hope everything goes well for him!
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 23:36:32
July 17 2014 23:35 GMT
#12
On July 18 2014 07:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 07:45 Phanekim wrote:
You know...he can join the rest of us and get a job. I mean I sympathize and all...but seriously.

feels first world problem-esque.

I don't know where you got the impression that China is a first world country.


that doesn't imply that its a first world country. just saying the problem is very similar. Hence the esque, but always someone...
i like cheese
Viper.BrutaTroN
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
United States18 Posts
July 17 2014 23:39 GMT
#13
The problem with this is that China is a unknown world when it comes to western world sponsors and the thought of backing something so blindly will probably persuade the big team to not pursue this.
The bad boys of StarCraft are back!
AldarisGCE
Profile Joined June 2013
United States20 Posts
July 18 2014 00:38 GMT
#14
Hopefully I will be able to do a follow-up to this article. I will be doing my best to get in touch with him.
Sour About That
Loccstana
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States833 Posts
July 18 2014 00:48 GMT
#15
Why do people keep on refering him as Toodming? The correct transliteration is "Tu Dou Ming", or rather just Potato Ming if translated to english
[url]http://i.imgur.com/lw2yN.jpg[/url]
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
July 18 2014 02:30 GMT
#16
On July 18 2014 07:45 Phanekim wrote:
You know...he can join the rest of us and get a job. I mean I sympathize and all...but seriously.

feels first world problem-esque.


You're on a sc2 site that mainly deals with following the professional sc2 scene and this is your response? Feels like like brain-dead-esque to me.

All the best to him. Wish there was a better way to support these players.
why?
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
July 18 2014 03:06 GMT
#17
On July 18 2014 09:38 AldarisGCE wrote:
Hopefully I will be able to do a follow-up to this article. I will be doing my best to get in touch with him.

Drop me a message if you want to dig deep and go all out.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
July 18 2014 03:29 GMT
#18
Damn, I have really liked TooDming ever since seeing his play in WCS China 2012, and in WCS nowadays. And the ZOO players are finally gaining some steam. Hopefully things work out!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 03:38:11
July 18 2014 03:36 GMT
#19
On July 18 2014 07:32 plogamer wrote:
Show nested quote +

TooDming told me that he personally paid for his trip to WCS and Red Bull Atlanta with his own personal savings.


Wouldn't that be quite a bit of money for ordinary families in China?

From some googling, 2014 average Chinese salary for someone living in a city is equivalent to around $6000-7000, so a China-US round trip ticket will put a huge dent for the average person. Shanghai's minimum wage is ~$3500 / year.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
July 18 2014 04:15 GMT
#20
TooDming is fking awesome. Fan club here : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/fan-clubs/447818-toodming-fan-club
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
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