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Proleague Round 3: Playoff Picture Panic

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Proleague Round 3: Playoff Picture Panic

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May 10th, 2014 23:50 GMT
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Round 3, Week 5 Preview



Week 5 Preview
Playoff Picture Panic

Playoff Scenarios
What Possibilities!

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Round 3, Week 5 Preview

By: Waxangel

Whoops, looks like we can't do math! As it turns out, KT Rolster is not yet guaranteed a playoff spot, and only SK Telecom is completely safe. KT, CJ, Jin Air, Samsung, and IM all have a chance of making it into the playoffs.

In an odd twist of fate, it will be the two eliminated teams in MVP and Prime who decide the fates of others. Though Prime and MVP are not be able to reach the playoffs, they still have much to play for as they look to avoid last place finishes. Let's look at the matches in the final week of Round 3:


Round 3 Standings
1.SKT*6-120-6+14
2.KT4-213-11+2
3.CJ Entus3-313-11+2
4.Jin Air3-312-12+0
5.Samsung3-311-13-2
6.IM3-414-13+1
7.Prime1-45-13-8
8.MVP1-45-14-9
Teams that clinched playoff spots in bold.
*SKT clinched first place.

May 11


Team MVP vs. Samsung Galaxy
(Z)Sniper < King Sejong Station LE > (Z)RorO
(T)aLive < Merry Go Round LE > (T)Reality
(T)Dream < Outboxer > (Z)Solar
(P)Billowy < Maze > (P)Stork
Ace: Habitation Station LE

Jin Air Green Wings vs Prime
(T)Maru < Merry Go Round LE > (P)Choya
(Z)TRUE < King Sejong Station LE > (P)Creator
(Z)Rogue < Habitation Station LE > (T)MarineKing
(P)sOs < Frost LE > (Z)TerrOr
Ace: Outboxer

May 13


Team MVP vs CJ Entus
(P)Billowy < Maze > (T)GuMiho
(T)KeeN < Merry Go Round LE > (Z)Hydra
(Z)hyvaa < Frost LE > (T)Bbyong
(P)Super < King Sejong Station LE > (P)herO
Ace: Habitation Station LE

KT Rolster vs Prime
(Z)Sleep < Outboxer > (P)Creator
(P)Zest < King Sejong Station LE > (T)SalvatioN
(P)Stats < Maze > (T)MarineKing
(T)Flash < Merry Go Round LE > (P)Choya
Ace: Frost LE

Lineup Notes

  • If there's any sign that Team MVP isn't going into these last couple of matches with full effort, it's that ace Zerg (Z)DongRaeGu is missing from the line-up. However, it might not be something to read too deeply into, as MVP has benched DRG on occasion. Taking his place will be (Z)Sniper and (Z)hyvaa, who make their first appearances this round.

  • Rare Sightings: Sniper and hyvaa aren't the only players getting a surprise run out in the final week. KT Rolster are finally giving (Z)Sleep a chance to play, while CJ Entus will field (T)GuMiho for the first time in Round 3. Finally, (Z)TerrOr will make his first appearance for Prime since Round 1.

  • Mercenary Watch: IM has no games left to play, making this week's mercenary watch a bore. With Prime leaving (Z)Leenock out of their line-up, we have our first mercenary-free week of Proleague in a long time.

  • As karmic retribution for some terrible crime he committed in a previous life, (P)Choya gets to play both (T)Flash and (T)Maru.

  • Race Breakdown: 12 Protoss, 11 Terrans, and 9 Zergs are in action this week. What an even breakdown!

Round 3 Playoff Picture

by Waxangel

KT Rolster are heavily favored to advance to the playoffs, while IM has a prayer of a chance. Meanwhile, CJ, Jin Air, and Samsung are locked in a fierce fight in the middle. We've gone ahead broken down the playoff advancement scenarios in the final week of games. We've divided the scenarios into two big groups, depending on whether or not KT Rolster advance.

KT Rolster advances


If KT Rolster wins vs Prime, then they're in the playoffs. Even if KT Rolster lose, they're probably still in the playoffs (we'll explain the exception further below). As long as KT Rolster are in, that leaves CJ, Jin Air, Samsung, and IM to fight for the remaining two spots with the following outcomes possible:

  • CJ and Jin Air win, Samsung loses: CJ and Jin Air advance to the playoffs.

  • CJ and Samsung win, Jin Air loses: CJ and Samsung advance to the playoffs.

  • Jin Air and Samsung win, CJ loses: Jin Air and Samsung advance to the playoffs.

  • CJ wins, Samsung and JinAir lose: CJ and IM advance to the playoffs.

  • CJ, Jin Air, and Samsung win: CJ Entus advances to the playoffs. Jin Air also advances to the playoffs except in the following scenario:

    • Jin Air wins 3-2, Samsung wins 3-0: In this case, Jin Air and Samsung will be tied at 4-3 and +1 in maps. A best-of-one tiebreaker ace-match will be played to decide which team advances to the playoffs.

  • Jin Air wins, CJ and Samsung lose: Jin Air advances to the playoffs. CJ's fate depends on the following scenarios:

    • CJ loses 2-3: CJ and IM will be tied at 3-4 and +1 in maps. A best-of-one tiebreaker ace-match will be played to decide which team advances to the playoffs.

    • CJ loses by 1-3 or 0-3: IM advances to the playoffs.

  • Samsung wins, CJ and Jin Air lose: Samsung advances to the playoffs. The possibilities for CJ are identical to the "Jin Air wins, CJ and Samsung lose" scenario described above.

  • CJ, Jin Air, and Samsung lose: IM advances to the playoffs. CJ also advances to the playoffs except in the following scenario:

    • CJ loses 0-3, Jin Air loses 2-3: CJ and Jin Air will be tied at 3-4 and -1 in maps. A best-of-one tiebreaker ace-match will be played to decide which team advances to the playoffs.

Scenarios in which KT Rolster can be eliminated


In the case that KT Rolster loses to Prime AND CJ, Jin Air, and Samsung all win their matches, things can get scary for KT.

  • CJ, Samsung, and Jin Air win AND KT Rolster lose: This opens up the following bag of worms for KT Rolster, while IM are eliminated as collateral damage.

    • KT lose 0-3 and Samsung win 3-1 or better: CJ, Jin Air, and Samsung advance to the playoffs. KT is eliminated.

    • KT lose 0-3 and Samsung win 3-2: CJ and Jin Air advance to the playoffs. KT and Samsung are tied and play a best-of-one tiebreaker for the last playoff spot.

    • KT Rolster lose 1-3 and Samsung win 3-1: Same as above.

    • KT Rolster lose 2-3 and Samsung win 3-0: Same as above. unless:

      • Jin Air win 3-2: CJ advances to the playoffs. KT, Samsung, and Jin Air are tied and play a series of best-of-one round robins as a tiebreaker.

The scenarios listed above are only for playoff advancement. There are many more scenarios regarding final placement and playoff seeding that are too complex to describe in full. It will suffice to say that ranks #2 through #8 are wide open to change, and there's a decent chance that we'll see at least one tie-breaker played to determine final placement and/or playoff seeding.


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Writers: Waxangel.
Images: SpoTV
Editors: Waxangel.
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iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-10 23:58:19
May 10 2014 23:57 GMT
#2
wait what?
just curious, how long and how did you guys calculate all these possibilities?
$O$ | soO
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 11 2014 00:06 GMT
#3
woah, didn't even notice KT could be eliminated. I suppose the extreme unlikeliness allowed me to blot it out of my mind. :p

Also I was under the impression that IM has a warning from Squirtle screwing up against PartinG earlier in the round. Which means they cannot tie with CJ for the playoff-deciding ace match. Is that not correct?
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33488 Posts
May 11 2014 00:15 GMT
#4
On May 11 2014 09:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
woah, didn't even notice KT could be eliminated. I suppose the extreme unlikeliness allowed me to blot it out of my mind. :p

Also I was under the impression that IM has a warning from Squirtle screwing up against PartinG earlier in the round. Which means they cannot tie with CJ for the playoff-deciding ace match. Is that not correct?


they got a warning, but you need two warnings to lose mapscore
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 11 2014 00:17 GMT
#5
Damn that's a lot scenarios. Seriously hoping for KT to get knocked out just so that we can get the craziest of scenarios, or even just see IM get in just because that'd be crazy too.
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 00:32:28
May 11 2014 00:32 GMT
#6
Worst part of all this work is that Prime will just lose both games ):

But at least i love formatting and fonts :>
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Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia553 Posts
May 11 2014 00:33 GMT
#7
SKT securing first place makes me feel so good, they've done it with hard work and I couldn't be more happy for them! Poor IM never really doing too bad but pretty much always ending up 3-4 and never making playoffs. Hopefully they'll get some luck next round.
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 00:41:40
May 11 2014 00:41 GMT
#8
On May 11 2014 08:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Taking his place will be (Z)Sniper and (Z)hyvaa, who make their first appearances this round.

Sniper appeared last week (v Maru)
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
May 11 2014 00:41 GMT
#9
Choya oh my god I hope your body is ready
No church in the wild --- @tzhang0126
Redrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States446 Posts
May 11 2014 01:02 GMT
#10
Sniper < RorO
aLive > Reality
Dream < Solar
Billowy < Stork

Maru > Choya
TRUE < Creator
Rogue < MarineKing
sOs > TerrOr
Jin Air takes ace match eZ

Billowy > GuMiho
KeeN < Hydra
hyvaa < Bbyong
Super < herO

Sleep < Creator
Zest > SalvatioN
Stats > MarineKing
Flash > Choya

CJ and JinAir advance. SKT, KT, CJ, JinAir. Samsung in a close 5th.
I root for CJ because their fb posts are hilarious
xpaperclip
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
May 11 2014 01:10 GMT
#11
On May 11 2014 09:15 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2014 09:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
woah, didn't even notice KT could be eliminated. I suppose the extreme unlikeliness allowed me to blot it out of my mind. :p

Also I was under the impression that IM has a warning from Squirtle screwing up against PartinG earlier in the round. Which means they cannot tie with CJ for the playoff-deciding ace match. Is that not correct?


they got a warning, but you need two warnings to lose mapscore

But isn't it the case that just having a warning causes you to lose the tie when you have equal mapscore? (In round 1 SKT automatically got 3rd because they had a warning despite being tied with Samsung at +6 maps.)
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
May 11 2014 01:11 GMT
#12
CJ please :S this is going to be so much fun to watch :DD
Writer#1 CJ fan | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/508947-wcs-dreamhack-austin-interviews
AKAvg
Profile Joined April 2014
Brazil298 Posts
May 11 2014 01:21 GMT
#13
On May 11 2014 10:11 banjoetheredskin wrote:
CJ please :S this is going to be so much fun to watch :DD


This...
KT losing to Prime right now is... kinda difficult to picture.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
May 11 2014 01:23 GMT
#14
On May 11 2014 08:57 iMrising wrote:
wait what?
just curious, how long and how did you guys calculate all these possibilities?

I'm sure it's not done manually, probably linear programming.
Refer to my post.
dyDrawer
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada438 Posts
May 11 2014 02:21 GMT
#15
On May 11 2014 10:21 AKAvg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2014 10:11 banjoetheredskin wrote:
CJ please :S this is going to be so much fun to watch :DD


This...
KT losing to Prime right now is... kinda difficult to picture.


Hey, both Creator and MarineKing have a very solid chance to win (I would even say Creator is favored against Sleep). And it's not impossible for SalvatioN and Choya to steal at least one win, maybe with a weird cheese or two.

You never know, you never know...
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
May 11 2014 03:31 GMT
#16
it all comes back to the (imo) winnable match against CJ for IM. Dropping that 0-3 put their playoff hopes almost out of reach. Funny how this round has normalized to how everyone expected it to be. SKT dominating, KT being really solid, and the four middle teams being really close, with MVP and Prime bringing up the rear
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 11 2014 03:49 GMT
#17
On May 11 2014 12:31 Yorkie wrote:
it all comes back to the (imo) winnable match against CJ for IM. Dropping that 0-3 put their playoff hopes almost out of reach. Funny how this round has normalized to how everyone expected it to be. SKT dominating, KT being really solid, and the four middle teams being really close, with MVP and Prime bringing up the rear


Or blowing what should have been a 3-0 stomp by sending Yonghwa against MVP. >_>
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18522 Posts
May 11 2014 08:38 GMT
#18
its crazy that KT could still lose, highly unlikely though!
Rhaeide
Profile Joined November 2008
Spain304 Posts
May 11 2014 08:55 GMT
#19
Love to see herO's smile. He even smiles in defeat and that always amazes me ^·^
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 11 2014 14:21 GMT
#20
MVP full evil.
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MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 22:13:13
May 11 2014 22:12 GMT
#21
Why is there no comment on last weeks series of 3-0 sweeps. 5 out of 6 matches went 3-0 and the sixth was 3-1. I found that very remarkable!
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
May 11 2014 23:10 GMT
#22
So after last night's games,

+ Show Spoiler +
IM is out (since they finished 3-4 and there's now at least 4 4-win teams).

Jin Air is in no matter what, they could finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th depending on Tuesday's games

Samsung, KT and CJ are fighting for the last two spots. KT will almost certainly make it (they'd have to lose to Prime), so if we assume that, it's really Samsung and CJ fighting for the last spot. If CJ wins its match, CJ is in and Samsung is out (they will both be 4-3 and CJ will have a better indicator). If CJ loses, Samsung is at 4-3 in and CJ is out at 3-4.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33488 Posts
May 11 2014 23:40 GMT
#23
damn, I thought there'd be at least one tie but it doesn't look that likely. Can I at least get DRG vs MKP in a deathmatch to avoid last place ?
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urasyupi2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States810 Posts
May 11 2014 23:53 GMT
#24
On May 12 2014 08:10 Yakikorosu wrote:
So after last night's games,

+ Show Spoiler +
IM is out (since they finished 3-4 and there's now at least 4 4-win teams).

Jin Air is in no matter what, they could finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th depending on Tuesday's games

Samsung, KT and CJ are fighting for the last two spots. KT will almost certainly make it (they'd have to lose to Prime), so if we assume that, it's really Samsung and CJ fighting for the last spot. If CJ wins its match, CJ is in and Samsung is out (they will both be 4-3 and CJ will have a better indicator). If CJ loses, Samsung is at 4-3 in and CJ is out at 3-4.


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hemeh
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 12 2014 00:49 GMT
#25
On May 12 2014 08:40 Waxangel wrote:
damn, I thought there'd be at least one tie but it doesn't look that likely. Can I at least get DRG vs MKP in a deathmatch to avoid last place ?

it would end up being something stupid like Keen vs. Creator
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
May 12 2014 01:08 GMT
#26
On May 12 2014 09:49 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 08:40 Waxangel wrote:
damn, I thought there'd be at least one tie but it doesn't look that likely. Can I at least get DRG vs MKP in a deathmatch to avoid last place ?

it would end up being something stupid like Keen vs. Creator

Sniper vs Terror.
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AKAvg
Profile Joined April 2014
Brazil298 Posts
May 12 2014 03:46 GMT
#27
On May 12 2014 10:08 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 09:49 Shellshock wrote:
On May 12 2014 08:40 Waxangel wrote:
damn, I thought there'd be at least one tie but it doesn't look that likely. Can I at least get DRG vs MKP in a deathmatch to avoid last place ?

it would end up being something stupid like Keen vs. Creator

Sniper vs Terror.


Ahaha, would love the read twitch's chat if this happened.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 08:35:14
May 12 2014 08:33 GMT
#28
On May 11 2014 09:15 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2014 09:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
woah, didn't even notice KT could be eliminated. I suppose the extreme unlikeliness allowed me to blot it out of my mind. :p

Also I was under the impression that IM has a warning from Squirtle screwing up against PartinG earlier in the round. Which means they cannot tie with CJ for the playoff-deciding ace match. Is that not correct?


they got a warning, but you need two warnings to lose mapscore


I suppose the warning is when Flash lashed out on the ref ? Or is it another thing.

Damn i thought SKT and KT were in no matter what. I need to look at that PRIME lineup see if a 3-0 is possible or not. They better destroy RIME.

Wait.. After sunday's result. Can KT advandce even if they 3-2 or 3-1 ? Or do we need 3-0 ?
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
May 12 2014 13:19 GMT
#29
On May 12 2014 17:33 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2014 09:15 Waxangel wrote:
On May 11 2014 09:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
woah, didn't even notice KT could be eliminated. I suppose the extreme unlikeliness allowed me to blot it out of my mind. :p

Also I was under the impression that IM has a warning from Squirtle screwing up against PartinG earlier in the round. Which means they cannot tie with CJ for the playoff-deciding ace match. Is that not correct?


they got a warning, but you need two warnings to lose mapscore


I suppose the warning is when Flash lashed out on the ref ? Or is it another thing.

Damn i thought SKT and KT were in no matter what. I need to look at that PRIME lineup see if a 3-0 is possible or not. They better destroy RIME.

Wait.. After sunday's result. Can KT advandce even if they 3-2 or 3-1 ? Or do we need 3-0 ?


As long as KT wins they will advance to the playoffs in second place with 5-2.
RyLai
Profile Joined May 2011
United States477 Posts
May 13 2014 03:09 GMT
#30
"As karmic retribution for some terrible crime he committed in a previous life, (P)Choya gets to play both (T)Flash and (T)Maru."

Don't you mean for all the cheese and 4 Gates he has done in THIS life?
bibilisk
Profile Joined May 2011
France44 Posts
May 14 2014 16:03 GMT
#31
What happened to MarinkingPrime ? This guy used to be a legend 3/4 years ago, he was feared by everyone and always would create new build orders. Now he is a no match for pretty much every players in the proleague... or maybe the WoL players were really bad and Proleague showed the real skill... cant understand
di4m0nd
Profile Joined June 2010
United States297 Posts
May 14 2014 18:35 GMT
#32
He just came back to sc2 at the beginning of round 2 and honestly hes not doing that bad.
Hes currently 6-8 in proleague. 1-1 against terran | 4-2 against Zerg | 1-5 against Toss..
Round 2 notable wins. |soO|Dream|RorO|True
Round 3 notable wins. |Sora|Shine(MVP) but I only added him because Sora looked so alone
Of course hes not the dominating player you remember him has, but I have High hopes he will get back to his former glory. Given enough time.

on a side note - week 5 was pretty + Show Spoiler +
lack luster with only 1 Win(Creator was the only one from prime and MVP)from the loosing teams
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
May 15 2014 07:49 GMT
#33
On May 15 2014 01:03 bibilisk wrote:
What happened to MarinkingPrime ? This guy used to be a legend 3/4 years ago, he was feared by everyone and always would create new build orders. Now he is a no match for pretty much every players in the proleague... or maybe the WoL players were really bad and Proleague showed the real skill... cant understand


He just came back and he is playing really good player in a format that he never played before. Although he is not doing badly. There are players in Proleague that don't have ANY wins (hi Terror) so his record is average.

He'll come around.
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