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Akaann
Profile Joined May 2011
Switzerland82 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 14:50:23
December 17 2013 14:48 GMT
#141
Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.


Thanks to MarineKing... Not only that he had so many fans, when he was at his peak, Prime was also the best Team, mainly because he raped everyone. Lot of People are still fans because of that days, but if they don't get some charismatic players or a bit of success back, the amount of fans will rapidly decrease. So it seem like it will be rough season for them, incredibly sad that Maru left, even with him it would've been very difficult. I really hope some kind of miracle happens and saves the day for them...

...In my dreamworld MKP comes back in his old shape and rape everyone^^
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monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
December 17 2013 15:23 GMT
#142
i wish startale would had joined proleague too :/
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
December 17 2013 16:36 GMT
#143
On December 17 2013 00:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Will be a fun proleague for sure, but i think these rankings are kinda random at this point, we don't really know much about most of the players that didn't play since last proleague and with the bo5 format a team needs only 2-3 strong players and can still do great (even if it is obviously better if you have more ).


These aren't "rankings" for teams, it's a grade for the off season moves and has nothing to do with rankings. A team could have an A+ offseason before the season starts and still finish in the bottom half of the standings, that's just the nature of the game. So really you're looking at these offseason grades the complete wrong way if you think this is somehow a ranking or prediction of where teams will finish.
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
December 17 2013 17:28 GMT
#144
On December 17 2013 23:48 Akaann wrote:
Show nested quote +
Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.


Thanks to MarineKing... Not only that he had so many fans, when he was at his peak, Prime was also the best Team, mainly because he raped everyone. Lot of People are still fans because of that days, but if they don't get some charismatic players or a bit of success back, the amount of fans will rapidly decrease. So it seem like it will be rough season for them, incredibly sad that Maru left, even with him it would've been very difficult. I really hope some kind of miracle happens and saves the day for them...

...In my dreamworld MKP comes back in his old shape and rape everyone^^

Well apparently someone on reddit said MKP is coming back (cited Byun's stream). I don't know the validity of it, but it's not the most surprising move given how irrelevant (not that I expected him to jump straight to the top) he's been in LoL.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
December 17 2013 17:32 GMT
#145
On December 17 2013 22:38 VisonKai wrote:
Something about Samsung turning into NS Hoseo just makes me very depressed.

Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.

Sorry we arent all bandwagon fans and stay loyal to our team?
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#146
On December 17 2013 22:38 VisonKai wrote:
Something about Samsung turning into NS Hoseo just makes me very depressed.

Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.

Spoken like a true Startale fan.
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Mentor
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany219 Posts
December 17 2013 20:19 GMT
#147
Now that my favorite and one of the oldest teams -Woongjin Stars- has abandoned, I hope the best for CJ in the upcoming season.
After all I'm a Zerg player, and how can you not like a team that has forged exciting players like Savior, Kwanro, Oversky and Effort...

PS. My heart will also be with Kal.Prime. May he carry the team as Jaedong once did Lecaf aka Hwaseung Oz.
"Fame is like salty water, no last sip after the first, and before you drown you'll be dying of thirst." -Prezident-
il_Cattivo
Profile Joined January 2013
Turkey54 Posts
December 17 2013 20:39 GMT
#148
If someone can break the SKT Zerg tradition, it should be Soulkey. If he can't, I will pack my stuff, fly to Korea and do a femen style topless protest during a live proleague match. I have decent manboobs.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
December 17 2013 21:01 GMT
#149
On December 18 2013 05:39 il_Cattivo wrote:
If someone can break the SKT Zerg tradition, it should be Soulkey. If he can't, I will pack my stuff, fly to Korea and do a femen style topless protest during a live proleague match. I have decent manboobs.


Already looking forward to that.
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.
.
no.

Soulkey will break the tradition np

Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
December 17 2013 21:32 GMT
#150
EGTL was the best last season so eager to see how this pans out.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
December 17 2013 21:42 GMT
#151
On December 18 2013 02:28 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 23:48 Akaann wrote:
Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.


Thanks to MarineKing... Not only that he had so many fans, when he was at his peak, Prime was also the best Team, mainly because he raped everyone. Lot of People are still fans because of that days, but if they don't get some charismatic players or a bit of success back, the amount of fans will rapidly decrease. So it seem like it will be rough season for them, incredibly sad that Maru left, even with him it would've been very difficult. I really hope some kind of miracle happens and saves the day for them...

...In my dreamworld MKP comes back in his old shape and rape everyone^^

Well apparently someone on reddit said MKP is coming back (cited Byun's stream). I don't know the validity of it, but it's not the most surprising move given how irrelevant (not that I expected him to jump straight to the top) he's been in LoL.


Oh please, let it be true!
Though Prime still need good toss if they want to compete in PvProleague.
And atm it looks kind of grim for them.
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astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 23:09:22
December 17 2013 23:01 GMT
#152
Maru, sOs, and Soulkey moving teams really shifts the power spectrum of the teams around. I still think Incredibly Miracle will do well as they are one of my favorite teams.

Btw, what happened to Legend after he left Startale and formed Team Epik? Any news on player signings?

On December 18 2013 06:32 Apollo_Shards wrote:
EGTL was the best last season so eager to see how this pans out.


EG-TL would have done really well if Proleague started a few months back, but now there are too many problems.. Taeja is having wrist issues again so he's out. EG let aLive, Oz, and Revival go. HerO is training with the IM house now and has fallen into a slight slump.
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Akaann
Profile Joined May 2011
Switzerland82 Posts
December 17 2013 23:21 GMT
#153
On December 18 2013 02:28 ssxsilver wrote:
Well apparently someone on reddit said MKP is coming back (cited Byun's stream). I don't know the validity of it, but it's not the most surprising move given how irrelevant (not that I expected him to jump straight to the top) he's been in LoL.


That would be one of the best things that could happen to starcraft...

But he would have a hard time to fullfill the expectations. He would have to change a lot to become one of the top players again, but even if he would never manage to do that, i would just be happy to see him back
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Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
December 18 2013 06:30 GMT
#154
On December 18 2013 08:21 Akaann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 02:28 ssxsilver wrote:
Well apparently someone on reddit said MKP is coming back (cited Byun's stream). I don't know the validity of it, but it's not the most surprising move given how irrelevant (not that I expected him to jump straight to the top) he's been in LoL.


That would be one of the best things that could happen to starcraft...

But he would have a hard time to fullfill the expectations. He would have to change a lot to become one of the top players again, but even if he would never manage to do that, i would just be happy to see him back


MKP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are totally right and it will give a bit of confidence to Prime in proleague just a bit.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
December 18 2013 07:17 GMT
#155
Sometimes you need a break, step back and get your mind off things. When Jaedong didn´t play the game around the last turn of the year, he returned to start his rise to power. Then again, he´s Jaedong and mindset has always been MKP´s weakness.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
December 18 2013 07:29 GMT
#156
I wonder if ex-eSF teams can make upsets...
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
December 18 2013 08:03 GMT
#157
On December 17 2013 03:47 Keeemy wrote:

KT's zerg lineup of hitmaN and Action is so sad. They really need to get Kangho or steal hyvaa or someone.


Don't be doubting MafiaZerg

`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 18 2013 08:04 GMT
#158
I call him midget zerg
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
December 18 2013 22:38 GMT
#159
Looking forward to see how the terrans do this season! Obv big names like Flash and Fantasy though I wish fanta started kicking ass he is so entertaining!
My personal favourite to watch is TY hope he has a great season always liked him but so much unrealised potential :/
Then players like Bunny and BravO hope they develop their talents! Wish it was bo7 or 9 to few spots for rookies and talents T_T
And then theres the solid terrans like reality and Byong etc.
Hope ByuN makes a comeback!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 18 2013 22:40 GMT
#160
On December 17 2013 22:38 VisonKai wrote:
Something about Samsung turning into NS Hoseo just makes me very depressed.

Also Prime turning into ace is actually fitting even though it's really sad. Their number of fans is ridiculously disproportionate to how good they are.

funny, i'd've said that about bomber fans too for a long, long time.
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