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WCS AM - Ro32 Group G Preview (Season 3)

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WCS AM - Ro32 Group G Preview (Season 3)

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September 23rd, 2013 20:14 GMT
2013 WCS Europe

WCS America - Season 3



Ro32: Group G Preview
Jim, Hero, Heart, Neeb

Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

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Ro32: Group G Preview

(P)Jim, (P)HerO, (T)Heart, (T)Neeb

by DarkLordOlli

The American Premier League continues with Group G. So far it's been Korean domination as not a single non-Korean has advanced to the Ro16 up until now. Well known and experienced world-travellers Liquid'HerO and AX.Heart are looking to keep the flawless record up while iG.Jim and FXONeeb will look to break it.

Chinese Overlords, Part 1: Jim

Mr. Bitter recently put a scary thought in my head - Chinese players are good at video games as well. There's not just Korea out there. Especially the iG-duo of (P)Jim and (P)MacSed have started to attend more tournaments when visas allows it, and have immediately begun picking up good results. Jim made the Ro8 last season in WCS America, advancing there over Heart's teammates CranK and Alicia. He then barely lost to Jaedong 2-3, showcasing an extremely aggressive, often timing based style with a strong focus on gateway units. His PvT also became known for phoenix/colossus, though he hasn't had a chance to show it off much as of late.

Jim had more time than anyone else in this group to prepare as he didn't have to play Challenger League - his Ro8 finish qualified him for this season. The real question is whether or not he took the time to extensively prepare for his first opponent Neeb or if he'll just assume that he can beat Neeb with standard play and focused on HerO and Heart instead. Either way, while there's definitely an upset possible in their series, Jim should come out ahead unless Neeb catches him by surprise or suddenly decides to be one of the best players in the world.

For all the Believers

(T)Neeb found his way back to Premier League again, beating ex-teammate Drunkenboi twice in his statistically weakest matchup TvT. A word on Neeb's TvP: it's really hard to say much about it. He's played a total of 12 broadcasted series in the matchup in HotS, most notably defeating HuK 2-0 in Challenger League and perhaps most importantly losing 0-2 to Jim in a Qualifier. Last time around, Neeb fell short against Alicia and Minigun and the challenge certainly won't be easier this time around. Heart has shown himself to be a capable TvTer and both Jim and HerO are massively favored against him as well. Neeb is going to have to perform a miracle to make it out of this group - but why shouldn't it be possible? All his opponents will be playing cross-server, he had a lot of time to prepare his strategies and has the underdog label going for him. It's certainly possible that his opponents underestimate him or don't know much about him. With more and more Koreans spreading across the globe, Premier League won't become any easier. Neeb will have to keep proving that he belongs here and advancing from this group would be a really good way of doing so.

Heart of Gold?

(T)AX.Heart heads into Premier League after having to team-kill his friend Alicia in the Challenger League. While it probably didn't seem like a big deal at the moment, that was before Alicia would subsequently be eliminated by MajOr. Heart probably won't want to let his mate's fall be in vain as he goes up against the Season 1 Champion HerO. There's little history between the two, only three broadcasted games all of which have gone in favor of the Liquid Protoss. Back in WoL, when Heart was terrorizing protoss opponents with various cheese builds backed by solid macro follow-ups, he picked HerO in the GSL Group Selections. Heart paid price for that choice as HerO showcased impenetrable defense against two consecutive cheeses, eliminating Heart.

After his GSL appearances Heart went missing for a while. Being on a foreign team in Axiom got him the chance to play in several foreign tournaments but his results didn't live up to what you would expect from a former Code S Terran. More recently though he seems to have stepped up a gear and changed his style a bit. He's still an extremely aggressive player but most of the time he'll start his offensive after building at least one Command Center - which was unthinkable in his WoL TvP unless he did it to mindgame his opponents. With recent victories over players like Innovation and Alicia, Heart definitely has it in him to cause a small upset by beating HerO who has recently expressed that he's not feeling as confident in his PvT as before.

A Restless HerO

(P)Liquid`HerO is back in Premier League where he enjoyed his last big tournament win back in season one. Since then though he's fallen off a little bit. HerO went into Heart of the Swarm looking extremely strong, the new viable styles of Protoss seemed like they were made for him. Additional tools to harass with, minimal defensive requirements thanks to the mothership core, A WARP PRISM SPEED BUFF? But overall, very little has changed about HerO. His overall "middle ground" level has definitely improved a lot but he still leaves fans wondering about his consistency. At times he's the best Protoss in the world when he gets everything right the way he imagines it. There are times when HerO makes Protoss look disgustingly imbalanced. And then there are games where he seems borderline naive.

The most recent Dreamhack was another one of those tournaments. After playing amazingly through the group stages, dropping a total of one map, he then tried to be a bit too cute against Innovation and flat out died to two consecutive SCV pulls. His PvT looked fragile in those games and he seemed to agree with that, letting the Twitter world know that he would focus on practicing PvT a lot from now on. HerO practicing for a specific matchup hardcore is scary. He "officially" did this twice before in WoL - his PvT became the highest ranked of all time on Aligulac and his PvP became arguably top 5 in the world after preparing extensively for Rain.

But! He forgot his passport and had to spend a few days in the Netherlands, streaming most of the time. That gives Heart an even better shot against him as HerO definitely didn't have as much time to prepare. But it almost seems like it only depends on which HerO shows up. If Winter-HerO comes out to play, he might be too much for anyone to handle.


Predictions!

Jim > Neeb
HerO > Heart
Jim < HerO
Neeb < Heart
Jim > Heart

HerO and Jim advance!


Qualified for Ro16 (6/16)

Zerg: (Z)Jaedong, (Z)NesTea, (Z)ByuL

Protoss: (P)Oz

Terran: (T)Apocalypse, (T)Hack

Writers: DarkLordOlli
Photos: GHOSTCLAW
Editor: Waxangel.
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Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
September 23 2013 20:27 GMT
#2
Go HerO!!! Can't wait to watch tonight
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
September 23 2013 20:27 GMT
#3
Jim you better get out of this asap, and you should be able to.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 23 2013 20:29 GMT
#4
Thanks for the preview! Gogo HerO!
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MakyIsME
Profile Joined June 2011
France66 Posts
September 23 2013 20:31 GMT
#5
That is going to be a rock paper chainsaw winners match. Go Hero !
A friend with a chainsaw is still a friend .
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
September 23 2013 20:33 GMT
#6
There better not be a DarkLordOlli curse. D: I'm desperately hoping to see HerO do very well this season.
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
September 23 2013 20:35 GMT
#7
YAY HERO!!! Honestly though I think Jim may have an edge in PvP because he has so many builds and really good execution. Not to say that HerO's PvP is bad, but he was probably more focused on preparing his PvT (maybe?) Regardless I think HerO and Jim advance, just not a guarantee in that order.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 23 2013 20:37 GMT
#8
On September 24 2013 05:33 Kasaraki wrote:
There better not be a DarkLordOlli curse. D: I'm desperately hoping to see HerO do very well this season.

DLO curse for sure. HerO 0-2 Heart, 0-2 Neeb
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danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
September 23 2013 20:39 GMT
#9
GO Taeja. GL to everyone else as well.
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
September 23 2013 20:49 GMT
#10
Let's go HerO!
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
CrazyHunter
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
United States83 Posts
September 23 2013 21:13 GMT
#11
Jim and HerO advance. Those two alone make it worth watching, but I think Heart will throw some curveballs in his series to make it even more interesting. Looking forward to watching!
The strong live. The weak die
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
September 23 2013 21:18 GMT
#12
Teams: IM, Jin Air, Invictus || Players: Maru, GuMiho, INnoVation, Ryung, sOs, Squirtle, NaNiwa, Has, Zoun, Life, Rogue, Dark
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 23 2013 21:20 GMT
#13
gogo hero, give me some joy
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 21:23:37
September 23 2013 21:21 GMT
#14
btw Jim wasnt just ro8 last season, he was 5th place! right outside of ro4 (stacked bunch of Scarlett, JD, Polt, Taeja)
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
September 23 2013 21:22 GMT
#15
Jim for WCS AM champion!

Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 23 2013 21:42 GMT
#16
Ok HerO time to smash this group. Doubters take notice. Season 3 will be the second time HerO wins WCS AM.
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scudst0rm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1149 Posts
September 23 2013 21:44 GMT
#17
You're like a one ranger army comin' at me...
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 23 2013 21:44 GMT
#18
Also, embarrassing exit in ro32 last season? He faced Scarlett (who is a great zerg with a ton of hype) and Oz (obviously the most SKILLED PvPer in the world) so it wasn't like he lost to anyone who he REALLY shouldn't have. Unexpected but not embarrassing.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
September 23 2013 21:58 GMT
#19
On September 24 2013 05:37 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 05:33 Kasaraki wrote:
There better not be a DarkLordOlli curse. D: I'm desperately hoping to see HerO do very well this season.

DLO curse for sure. HerO 0-2 Heart, 0-2 Neeb

Many tears would be shed.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
September 23 2013 21:59 GMT
#20
On September 24 2013 06:42 Darkhoarse wrote:
Ok HerO time to smash this group. Doubters take notice. Season 3 will be the second time HerO wins WCS AM.


Nah, Scarlett is going win this time, shes going to be the first foreigner to win

then from this season on, its just going to be foreigners to win in NA, no koreans winning WCS NA anymore
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
September 23 2013 21:59 GMT
#21
On September 24 2013 06:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
Also, embarrassing exit in ro32 last season? He faced Scarlett (who is a great zerg with a ton of hype) and Oz (obviously the most SKILLED PvPer in the world) so it wasn't like he lost to anyone who he REALLY shouldn't have. Unexpected but not embarrassing.

"PvP is all about skill"
Proceeds to lose every PvP series over the next 9 months
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 23 2013 22:00 GMT
#22
On September 24 2013 06:59 mikumegurine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 06:42 Darkhoarse wrote:
Ok HerO time to smash this group. Doubters take notice. Season 3 will be the second time HerO wins WCS AM.


Nah, Scarlett is going win this time, shes going to be the first foreigner to win

then from this season on, its just going to be foreigners to win in NA, no koreans winning WCS NA anymore

Bold. Never going to happen, but bold prediction
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 23 2013 22:00 GMT
#23
On September 24 2013 06:59 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 06:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
Also, embarrassing exit in ro32 last season? He faced Scarlett (who is a great zerg with a ton of hype) and Oz (obviously the most SKILLED PvPer in the world) so it wasn't like he lost to anyone who he REALLY shouldn't have. Unexpected but not embarrassing.

"PvP is all about skill"
Proceeds to lose every PvP series over the next 9 months

Yeah was referencing that
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Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
September 23 2013 22:17 GMT
#24
NASL should be brave and try removing the production tab and the big blob of unit selection. Then they'd have such a slick, minimalist UI.
Teams: IM, Jin Air, Invictus || Players: Maru, GuMiho, INnoVation, Ryung, sOs, Squirtle, NaNiwa, Has, Zoun, Life, Rogue, Dark
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 23 2013 22:20 GMT
#25
Not fair - Olli gets to write about Hero but people steal away Life writeups ftom under my nose
AdministratorBreak the chains
DaftFunk
Profile Joined June 2013
194 Posts
September 23 2013 22:25 GMT
#26
GOO! ITSA COR-E-AH! GOO ITS A COREAA! GOOOO ITS A COR-EE-AAH!! OH, OH, LE, OHLE!
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
September 23 2013 22:28 GMT
#27
HERO!!!
NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
September 23 2013 22:51 GMT
#28
Heart will eat protoss for breakfast just as he has always done.
Tassadar/TheBest/Jjakji/Rain(terran)/Heart
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 24 2013 01:37 GMT
#29
On September 24 2013 07:20 Zealously wrote:
Not fair - Olli gets to write about Hero but people steal away Life writeups ftom under my nose


I volunteered for this group but he threatened to quit; you should do that too.
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zelderan
Profile Joined May 2013
United States163 Posts
September 24 2013 14:11 GMT
#30
HerO fighhhhtttuuuuuu
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zelderan
Profile Joined May 2013
United States163 Posts
September 24 2013 14:14 GMT
#31
On September 24 2013 07:51 NoGasfOu wrote:
Heart will eat protoss for breakfast just as he has always done.


Did you watch the series between HerO and Heart yesterday? I would argue to say that HerO was on the ball. His defending and micro was insane, his multitasking was beyond amazing.
"Pumpkin mut-muts!" ~ Tasteless
Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
September 24 2013 14:42 GMT
#32
On September 24 2013 06:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
Also, embarrassing exit in ro32 last season? He faced Scarlett (who is a great zerg with a ton of hype) and Oz (obviously the most SKILLED PvPer in the world) so it wasn't like he lost to anyone who he REALLY shouldn't have. Unexpected but not embarrassing.


Idk why people think Oz has the best pvp in the world. Is it because he said the matchup is pure micro no luck and pure skill?
But even he has a 50/50 pvp winrate.
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-24 15:07:33
September 24 2013 15:06 GMT
#33
On September 24 2013 23:42 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 06:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
Also, embarrassing exit in ro32 last season? He faced Scarlett (who is a great zerg with a ton of hype) and Oz (obviously the most SKILLED PvPer in the world) so it wasn't like he lost to anyone who he REALLY shouldn't have. Unexpected but not embarrassing.


Idk why people think Oz has the best pvp in the world. Is it because he said the matchup is pure micro no luck and pure skill?
But even he has a 50/50 pvp winrate.


It's a joke. His PvP was the best in the world at one point in WoL but then he said that he hates people who call it a coinflip matchup. He said he'd play and beat everybody who said that PvP wasn't about pure skill.

Then he never won a PvP series again for a long time.

On September 24 2013 23:14 zelderan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:51 NoGasfOu wrote:
Heart will eat protoss for breakfast just as he has always done.


Did you watch the series between HerO and Heart yesterday? I would argue to say that HerO was on the ball. His defending and micro was insane, his multitasking was beyond amazing.


I actually thought he made a lot of mistakes yesterday. He can perform much better.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-24 15:38:35
September 24 2013 15:38 GMT
#34
On September 25 2013 00:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 23:42 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
On September 24 2013 06:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
Also, embarrassing exit in ro32 last season? He faced Scarlett (who is a great zerg with a ton of hype) and Oz (obviously the most SKILLED PvPer in the world) so it wasn't like he lost to anyone who he REALLY shouldn't have. Unexpected but not embarrassing.


Idk why people think Oz has the best pvp in the world. Is it because he said the matchup is pure micro no luck and pure skill?
But even he has a 50/50 pvp winrate.


It's a joke. His PvP was the best in the world at one point in WoL but then he said that he hates people who call it a coinflip matchup. He said he'd play and beat everybody who said that PvP wasn't about pure skill.

Then he never won a PvP series again for a long time.

After he said this, he did stuff like going Nexus first in PvP, or at least I think that's what he did.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
September 24 2013 15:59 GMT
#35
On September 25 2013 00:38 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 00:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On September 24 2013 23:42 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
On September 24 2013 06:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
Also, embarrassing exit in ro32 last season? He faced Scarlett (who is a great zerg with a ton of hype) and Oz (obviously the most SKILLED PvPer in the world) so it wasn't like he lost to anyone who he REALLY shouldn't have. Unexpected but not embarrassing.


Idk why people think Oz has the best pvp in the world. Is it because he said the matchup is pure micro no luck and pure skill?
But even he has a 50/50 pvp winrate.


It's a joke. His PvP was the best in the world at one point in WoL but then he said that he hates people who call it a coinflip matchup. He said he'd play and beat everybody who said that PvP wasn't about pure skill.

Then he never won a PvP series again for a long time.

After he said this, he did stuff like going Nexus first in PvP, or at least I think that's what he did.


Against Parting in the Ro8 of GSL because there's nothing better to do than nexus first there.
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