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RO32 Groups for WCS Europe Season 3 Premier League were announced :
https://twitter.com/ESL_Shawn/status/372755731067318272/photo/1/large
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tuUVbhEl.jpg?1)
Group A (Tuesday, Sep 03 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
  NaNiwa vs   TargA
 ToD vs   ForGG
Group B (Wednesday, Sep 04 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
duckdeok vs  TLO
 Happy vs SaSe
Group C (Thursday, Sep 05 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
 VortiX vs Noname
Mvp vs ShoWTimE
Group D (Tuesday, Sep 10 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
 Grubby vs Genius
 Starbuck vs LucifroN
Group E (Wednesday, Sep 11 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
 Welmu vs  BlinG
sLivko vs ThorZaIN
Group F (Thursday, Sep 12 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
HasuObs vs Shuttle
TitaN vs  Nerchio
Group G (Tuesday, Sep 17 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
MMA vs TAiLS
 BabyKnight vs KrasS
Group H (Wednesday, Sep 18 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
MC vs FireCake
StarDust vs  Kas
Poll: Hardest group?Group B (duckdeok, Happy, SaSe, TLO) (172) 42% Group D (Grubby, Starbuck, LucifroN, Genius) (81) 20% Group A (NaNiwa, ToD, ForGG, TargA) (75) 18% Group H (MC, StarDust, Kas, FireCake) (29) 7% Group G (MMA, BabyKnight, KrasS, TAiLS) (21) 5% Group F (HasuObs, TitaN, Nerchio, Shuttle) (14) 3% Group C (VortiX, Mvp, ShoWTimE, Noname) (9) 2% Group E (Welmu, sLivko, ThorZaIN, BlinG) (6) 1% 407 total votes Your vote: Hardest group? (Vote): Group A (NaNiwa, ToD, ForGG, TargA)
(Vote): Group B (duckdeok, Happy, SaSe, TLO)
(Vote): Group C (VortiX, Mvp, ShoWTimE, Noname)
(Vote): Group D (Grubby, Starbuck, LucifroN, Genius)
(Vote): Group E (Welmu, sLivko, ThorZaIN, BlinG)
(Vote): Group F (HasuObs, TitaN, Nerchio, Shuttle)
(Vote): Group G (MMA, BabyKnight, KrasS, TAiLS)
(Vote): Group H (MC, StarDust, Kas, FireCake)
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Does Mvp always get easy groups? :DDD
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Wow ToD against ForGG. 
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group B is definitely group of death
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Group B and F stick out as tough groups.
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Group of death poll in the original post please.
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I think group B will be the closest.
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Group D is the toughest. Depending on performances some other groups like A or B might show better games but on paper D is really hard.
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Groups all look tough to me! A and B caught my eye the most, though.
Super stoked for them to start playing!
Go Kas, Thorzain, and Hasuobs!
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Mvp gets always easiest group :O
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man why does Grubby always get such hard groups at every tournament
on the other hand, Mvp tends to get the easy ones and this is no exception 
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United States744 Posts
Wow nice looking groups! Go duckdeok, TAiLS, Genius, Grubby, and Naniwa! <3
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poor ShoWTimE lol still rooting for you!
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I thought D was easily the hardest group but I just realized it's Starbuck and not Stardust. Still a hard group though.
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Starbuck beat Genius in Challenger qualifier 
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I wonder how people believe group E is harder then G
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Awesome groups all over, so looking forward to this!! Anyone care for some speculations? 
Group A: Naniwa and ToD go though
Group B: Happy and TLO go through (unless Sase plays on the EU server, then he will take TLO's spot)
Group C: Vortix and MVP go through
Group D: Grubby and Starbuck go through
Group E: Welmu and sLivko go through
Group F: Hasuobs and Nerchio go through
Group G: MMA and Babyknight go through
Group H: MC and Stardust go through
We'll get a lots of Toss again for the next group stage I think, but we're used to that now.
Not that many Koreans will make it to the second group stage. The foreigners will be well prepared for cheesy tactics this time and they will defend well to take the matches to the later stage.
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Genius still plays starcraft?
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Cmon TLO! I want to see the foreigner scene represented by that devilishly handsome zerg in the Blizzcon finals!
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Boring groups for the most part.
B & D are decent.
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Group B will be interesting.
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I swear mvp has some kind of group blessing.
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It might be biased from me cause really a fan of HasuObs's play lately, but I'd deffinitely say that Group F is the hardest..
About group B though - TLO is the weakest player in it.. lol
EDIT: Here are some of my Group predictions though:
EDIT again: I think I just predicted that no Zerg will advance.. Guess the highest chance of them goes with Nerchio, but he has a really damn hard group TBH
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Ahahaahahah GROUP A omg ESL did you put all the drama-queens together on purpose ? :D
Very funny group,best trolls ever in it.
Shitty preditions :
Group A : ForGG / NaNi
Group B : SaSe / DuckDuck
Group C : Mvp / Vortix
Group D : Lucifron / Genius
Group E : Welmu / BlinG
Group F : Titan / Nerchio
Group G : MMA / Tails
Group H : MC / Kas
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Group A: Naniwa and ForGG
Group B: Duckdeok and TLO
Group C: Vortix and MVP
Group D: Grubby and Lucifron
Group E: Welmu and sLivko
Group F: Hasuobs and Nerchio
Group G: MMA and Tails
Group H: MC and Stardust
The future has been foreseen!
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Group A - NaNiwa + ForGG
Group B - Duckdeok + SaSe
Group C - Mvp + VortiX
Group D - LucifroN + Genius
Group E - Welmu + sLivko
Group F - HasuObs + Nerchio
Group G - MMA + BabyKnight
Group H - MC + Kas
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Hehe Mvp has a pretty nice group.
He should be able to beat each of those players individually, but in the group setting, it's also possible to see him dropping a series before advancing in second place. Still, Mvp's luck is amazing - his group is probably one of the easiest!
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I think G is underrated as a group of death.
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Not every stage or season has to have a group of death
People forget there is a distinction between a hard/tough group and a group of death.
I like to think of a hard group as "oh, someone might get upset this round" and a group of death as "wtf were the matchmakers thinking when they allowed this, this could easily be a final four"
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France7248 Posts
On August 29 2013 08:30 tekrebel wrote:
Not every stage or season has to have a group of death
People forget there is a distinction between a hard/tough group and a group of death.
I like to think of a hard group as "oh, someone might get upset this round" and a group of death as "wtf were the matchmakers thinking when they allowed this, this could easily be a final four"
and the poll is not about the group of death 
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Grats on making premier league for the first time firecake, as your reward for the new guy here's MC, kas and stardust.
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I don't think there is a group of death, I'd say Group D is maybe the hardest though.
Go ForGG !
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Come on mvp he can do this!
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Forgg & Targa will come out of group A
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Group B definetely looks more like Ro16. I'd love to see both SaSe and TLO go through, but it's going to be hard.
Favorites like Naniwa, MC, Welmu or VortiX should make it. Rough test for Lucifron though. And yes, apart from VortiX zerg presence in Ro16 looks in danger.
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welmu vs bling omgomg this is gonna be geewd
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Duckdeok got kinda screwed...
Mvp gets easy group as always XD
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On August 29 2013 08:30 tekrebel wrote:
Not every stage or season has to have a group of death
People forget there is a distinction between a hard/tough group and a group of death.
I like to think of a hard group as "oh, someone might get upset this round" and a group of death as "wtf were the matchmakers thinking when they allowed this, this could easily be a final four"
At least read the poll before making silly comments...
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they put ToD into this group to make shure he can concentrate on casting.
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On August 29 2013 05:45 Dodgin wrote:
I swear mvp has some kind of group blessing.
^^ atleast at GSL back in the day we hoped he was just good at minipulating others for group selections
Winners are born lucky i guess.
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can't wait for the Starbuck - Genius rematch....special tactiiiics :D
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wow.. so so any protosses here... we will have around 8+ protosses on the RO16.. which is too much.. Don`t get me wrong.. i like toss but this is too much.
MVP Finale will not qualify from his group... just saying
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I think group F is the hardest. Not only because of HasuObs but because imho Nercho is the weakest player o_0 and that counts a lot... I think Group F HasuObs Shuttle will advance...
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
No proper group of death there, some will be closer than others though.
Best of luck to Mvp and NaNi
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When I was looking at these groups I remembered the whole "which country is the best outside of korea" discussion which went on in this forum for several months a time ago. So I figured that it might be a good idea to write down all of the players nationalities which led to this:
Korea: 9
Russia, Germany: 4
Sweden: 3
France, Spain: 2
Ukraine, Norway, Netherlands, Finland, UK, Poland, Denmark, Slovenia: 1
I'm a bit surprised by the ukraine because a great majority agreed that ukraine is at least in the top3 of europe and looking at Kas' group it is quite likely, that there won't be a single ukrainian left for the next groupstage.
Of course this is just a small sample and does not provide that much of a data.
Nevertheless I found it rather interesting.
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On August 29 2013 16:56 MuMeise wrote:
I think group F is the hardest. Not only because of HasuObs but because imho Nercho is the weakest player o_0 and that counts a lot... I think Group F HasuObs Shuttle will advance...
lol
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Group H seems hardest to me, then A.
Also: go go Grubby!
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Two protosses in every group.
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a bit too many koreans for my taste.i have a feeling mma will win this season wcs europe
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I'm preparing some special tactics when I'm facing Genius
Better get prepared Genius ! Kappa
User was warned for meme usage in this post
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On August 29 2013 18:57 Starbuck- wrote:I'm preparing some special tactics when I'm facing Genius Better get prepared Genius ! Kappa
good luck.hope you win,
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On August 29 2013 18:57 Starbuck- wrote:I'm preparing some special tactics when I'm facing Genius Better get prepared Genius ! Kappa
Looking forward to a great match! I predicted you'll go through, so don't let me down on this! Best of luck!
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champions always get easy groups
Mvp definitely is one
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On August 29 2013 18:57 Starbuck- wrote:I'm preparing some special tactics when I'm facing Genius Better get prepared Genius ! Kappa User was warned for meme usage in this post
After seeing that Qualifier finals...I'm your biggest fan!
Earlier I wrote the same thing you did ))))
GLFH! Don't get nervous, be BM in a nice way and play crazy, but well exercised!!!!
Hope you win to get rid of the dullness of Korean build executants!
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On August 29 2013 18:24 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 16:56 MuMeise wrote:
I think group F is the hardest. Not only because of HasuObs but because imho Nercho is the weakest player o_0 and that counts a lot... I think Group F HasuObs Shuttle will advance... lol
Don't you think? I know that you are a good player, but in all honesty... Recent results are not speaking against you, but for HasuObs as one of the strongest foreigners...
Of course he sliped against MMA and Welmu but he made up for it by winning 2 major titles shortly after...
And I think shuttle will advance.. well because it's shuttle..
I think it will be a close one, maybe HasuObs Nerchio or HasuObs Shuttle...
But HasuObs will go out first in this group...
He stomped MVP and grubby. He won the ESL summer and he won WCG germany...
His PvZ is maybe is weakest matchup so maybe you have a chance... but still.. he beat TLO recently(think 2 weeks ago) also 2:1...
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On August 29 2013 18:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
When I was looking at these groups I remembered the whole "which country is the best outside of korea" discussion which went on in this forum for several months a time ago. So I figured that it might be a good idea to write down all of the players nationalities which led to this:
Korea: 9
Russia, Germany: 4
Sweden: 3
France, Spain: 2
Ukraine, Norway, Netherlands, Finland, UK, Poland, Denmark, Slovenia: 1
I'm a bit surprised by the ukraine because a great majority agreed that ukraine is at least in the top3 of europe and looking at Kas' group it is quite likely, that there won't be a single ukrainian left for the next groupstage.
Of course this is just a small sample and does not provide that much of a data.
Nevertheless I found it rather interesting.
Yeah quite interesting indeed! Not having Dimaga in Premier League is of course a bit of an upset (for me at least) and both Bly and Strelok dropped out of challenger league now...
It would be so cool to have a national championship similar to the Davis Cup in Tennis with say four 1v1s, two 2v2s, and one 3v3, each nation lining up 4-5 players. 
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On August 29 2013 18:24 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 16:56 MuMeise wrote:
I think group F is the hardest. Not only because of HasuObs but because imho Nercho is the weakest player o_0 and that counts a lot... I think Group F HasuObs Shuttle will advance... lol
tbh i think he would've been right like 2 months ago but lately you've been looking a lot better. at least Titan should be less good than you, not sure about Shuttle's form.
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On August 29 2013 21:09 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 18:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
When I was looking at these groups I remembered the whole "which country is the best outside of korea" discussion which went on in this forum for several months a time ago. So I figured that it might be a good idea to write down all of the players nationalities which led to this:
Korea: 9
Russia, Germany: 4
Sweden: 3
France, Spain: 2
Ukraine, Norway, Netherlands, Finland, UK, Poland, Denmark, Slovenia: 1
I'm a bit surprised by the ukraine because a great majority agreed that ukraine is at least in the top3 of europe and looking at Kas' group it is quite likely, that there won't be a single ukrainian left for the next groupstage.
Of course this is just a small sample and does not provide that much of a data.
Nevertheless I found it rather interesting. Yeah quite interesting indeed! Not having Dimaga in Premier League is of course a bit of an upset (for me at least) and both Bly and Strelok dropped out of challenger league now... It would be so cool to have a national championship similar to the Davis Cup in Tennis with say four 1v1s, two 2v2s, and one 3v3, each nation lining up 4-5 players.
Would be cool.. but pls not 2v2 and 3v3, max 1 2v2 and the other 1v1.
I think still the best nations are something like this.. is hard to tell anyhow...
1.Korea
2.Sweden
3.Canada
4.Germany
5.Russia
6.France
7.Poland
8.Spain
9.China
10.Finland
What do you think?
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On August 29 2013 21:58 jarod wrote:
I think still the best nations are something like this.. is hard to tell anyhow...
1.Korea
2.Sweden
3.Canada
4.Germany
5.Russia
6.France
7.Poland
8.Spain
9.China
10.Finland
I would agree approximately.
@Groups Very nice groups, I hope TLO makes it through, altough its going to be hard :/
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On August 29 2013 21:58 jarod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 21:09 BaneRiders wrote:On August 29 2013 18:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
When I was looking at these groups I remembered the whole "which country is the best outside of korea" discussion which went on in this forum for several months a time ago. So I figured that it might be a good idea to write down all of the players nationalities which led to this:
Korea: 9
Russia, Germany: 4
Sweden: 3
France, Spain: 2
Ukraine, Norway, Netherlands, Finland, UK, Poland, Denmark, Slovenia: 1
I'm a bit surprised by the ukraine because a great majority agreed that ukraine is at least in the top3 of europe and looking at Kas' group it is quite likely, that there won't be a single ukrainian left for the next groupstage.
Of course this is just a small sample and does not provide that much of a data.
Nevertheless I found it rather interesting. Yeah quite interesting indeed! Not having Dimaga in Premier League is of course a bit of an upset (for me at least) and both Bly and Strelok dropped out of challenger league now... It would be so cool to have a national championship similar to the Davis Cup in Tennis with say four 1v1s, two 2v2s, and one 3v3, each nation lining up 4-5 players. Would be cool.. but pls not 2v2 and 3v3, max 1 2v2 and the other 1v1. I think still the best nations are something like this.. is hard to tell anyhow... 1.Korea 2.Sweden 3.Canada 4.Germany 5.Russia 6.France 7.Poland 8.Spain 9.China 10.Finland What do you think?
I think that is quite a good representation. funny that the USA is not in your top 10... I know they are not... but it is still quite strange because SC2 is still very bonded with the us... I watch day9 and husky all day... and still they don't have any players that make good progress... ok maybe goswser and minigun... also puck is quite good... but that's it... really sad
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France7248 Posts
On August 29 2013 22:27 MuMeise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 21:58 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 21:09 BaneRiders wrote:On August 29 2013 18:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
When I was looking at these groups I remembered the whole "which country is the best outside of korea" discussion which went on in this forum for several months a time ago. So I figured that it might be a good idea to write down all of the players nationalities which led to this:
Korea: 9
Russia, Germany: 4
Sweden: 3
France, Spain: 2
Ukraine, Norway, Netherlands, Finland, UK, Poland, Denmark, Slovenia: 1
I'm a bit surprised by the ukraine because a great majority agreed that ukraine is at least in the top3 of europe and looking at Kas' group it is quite likely, that there won't be a single ukrainian left for the next groupstage.
Of course this is just a small sample and does not provide that much of a data.
Nevertheless I found it rather interesting. Yeah quite interesting indeed! Not having Dimaga in Premier League is of course a bit of an upset (for me at least) and both Bly and Strelok dropped out of challenger league now... It would be so cool to have a national championship similar to the Davis Cup in Tennis with say four 1v1s, two 2v2s, and one 3v3, each nation lining up 4-5 players. Would be cool.. but pls not 2v2 and 3v3, max 1 2v2 and the other 1v1. I think still the best nations are something like this.. is hard to tell anyhow... 1.Korea 2.Sweden 3.Canada 4.Germany 5.Russia 6.France 7.Poland 8.Spain 9.China 10.Finland What do you think? I think that is quite a good representation. funny that the USA is not in your top 10... I know they are not... but it is still quite strange because SC2 is still very bonded with the us... I watch day9 and husky all day... and still they don't have any players that make good progress... ok maybe goswser and minigun... also puck is quite good... but that's it... really sad
Suppy
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On August 29 2013 21:57 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 18:24 Nerchio wrote:On August 29 2013 16:56 MuMeise wrote:
I think group F is the hardest. Not only because of HasuObs but because imho Nercho is the weakest player o_0 and that counts a lot... I think Group F HasuObs Shuttle will advance... lol tbh i think he would've been right like 2 months ago but lately you've been looking a lot better. at least Titan should be less good than you, not sure about Shuttle's form.
I didn't say that Nerchio is bad... What I wanted to say was: If there is a group where Nerchio could be the weakest player... then the group must be tough..
But man.. no one can at the moment doubt HasuObs performance... He sliped against mma and welmu but that was to be expected... he posted on his FB account that he didn't sleep at all the night before the matches...
But still he won WCG at gamescom... which was not an easy task...
I don't know how good shuttle is at the moment... is he playing from korea? if so nerchio will make second place... if not... than I think shuttle has this.
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On August 29 2013 22:29 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 22:27 MuMeise wrote:On August 29 2013 21:58 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 21:09 BaneRiders wrote:On August 29 2013 18:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
When I was looking at these groups I remembered the whole "which country is the best outside of korea" discussion which went on in this forum for several months a time ago. So I figured that it might be a good idea to write down all of the players nationalities which led to this:
Korea: 9
Russia, Germany: 4
Sweden: 3
France, Spain: 2
Ukraine, Norway, Netherlands, Finland, UK, Poland, Denmark, Slovenia: 1
I'm a bit surprised by the ukraine because a great majority agreed that ukraine is at least in the top3 of europe and looking at Kas' group it is quite likely, that there won't be a single ukrainian left for the next groupstage.
Of course this is just a small sample and does not provide that much of a data.
Nevertheless I found it rather interesting. Yeah quite interesting indeed! Not having Dimaga in Premier League is of course a bit of an upset (for me at least) and both Bly and Strelok dropped out of challenger league now... It would be so cool to have a national championship similar to the Davis Cup in Tennis with say four 1v1s, two 2v2s, and one 3v3, each nation lining up 4-5 players. Would be cool.. but pls not 2v2 and 3v3, max 1 2v2 and the other 1v1. I think still the best nations are something like this.. is hard to tell anyhow... 1.Korea 2.Sweden 3.Canada 4.Germany 5.Russia 6.France 7.Poland 8.Spain 9.China 10.Finland What do you think? I think that is quite a good representation. funny that the USA is not in your top 10... I know they are not... but it is still quite strange because SC2 is still very bonded with the us... I watch day9 and husky all day... and still they don't have any players that make good progress... ok maybe goswser and minigun... also puck is quite good... but that's it... really sad Suppy
shit!! correct how could I forget him. sry.. yes suppy!
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On August 29 2013 21:58 jarod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 21:09 BaneRiders wrote:On August 29 2013 18:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
When I was looking at these groups I remembered the whole "which country is the best outside of korea" discussion which went on in this forum for several months a time ago. So I figured that it might be a good idea to write down all of the players nationalities which led to this:
Korea: 9
Russia, Germany: 4
Sweden: 3
France, Spain: 2
Ukraine, Norway, Netherlands, Finland, UK, Poland, Denmark, Slovenia: 1
I'm a bit surprised by the ukraine because a great majority agreed that ukraine is at least in the top3 of europe and looking at Kas' group it is quite likely, that there won't be a single ukrainian left for the next groupstage.
Of course this is just a small sample and does not provide that much of a data.
Nevertheless I found it rather interesting. Yeah quite interesting indeed! Not having Dimaga in Premier League is of course a bit of an upset (for me at least) and both Bly and Strelok dropped out of challenger league now... It would be so cool to have a national championship similar to the Davis Cup in Tennis with say four 1v1s, two 2v2s, and one 3v3, each nation lining up 4-5 players. Would be cool.. but pls not 2v2 and 3v3, max 1 2v2 and the other 1v1. I think still the best nations are something like this.. is hard to tell anyhow... 1.Korea 2.Sweden 3.Canada 4.Germany 5.Russia 6.France 7.Poland 8.Spain 9.China 10.Finland What do you think?
I think we really need a world team championship to find out! 
Who would represent the countries though? Say five players each:
1.Korea: (I'm not going to touch this with a 3 meter stick )
2.Sweden: Naniwa, Sase, ThorZain, Sortof, ?
3.Canada: Scarlett, Huk, ?, ?, ?
4.Germany: HasuObs, TLO, Krass, Showtime,?
5.Russia: Happy, Titan, sLivko, Noname, ?
6.France: Dayshi, Firecake, ToD, ?, ?
7.Poland: Nerchio, Tefel, MaNa, uzer, ?
8.Spain: Vortix, Lucifron, Alastor, ?, ?
9.China: Jim, Macsed, Top, ?, ?
10.Finland: Welmu, Elfi, Fuzer, ?, ?
I have to throw in the Netherlands and Ukraine into the discussion here as well:
Holland: Grubby, Ret, Harstem, ?, ?
Ukraine: Kas, Dimaga, Strelok, Bly, ?
I think there is a lot of candidates for the last spot in Sweden (Morrow, Bischu, Sjow), Germany (Heromarine, Socke, Tarrantius) Russia (Verdi, Bratok, Livezerg) and Poland (DieStar, Paranoid) to mention a few, but I'm not so sure about Canada tbh. It feels like Spain and Finland is similar in that there are few given candidates behind the top players that could easily claim the last spots... When I look at it like this I'd like to reshuffle the list just a bit:
1.Korea: (I'm still not going to touch this with a 3 meter stick )
2.Sweden: Naniwa, Sase, ThorZain, Sortof, ?
3.Germany: HasuObs, TLO, Krass, Showtime,?
4.Russia: Happy, Titan, sLivko, Noname, ?
5.Poland: Nerchio, Tefel, MaNa, uzer, ?
6.Ukraine: Kas, Dimaga, Strelok, Bly, ?
7.France: Dayshi, Firecake, ToD, ?, ?
8.Spain: Vortix, Lucifron, Alastor, ?, ?
9.China: Jim, Macsed, Top, ?, ?
10.Finland: Welmu, Elfi, Fuzer, ?, ?
10.Holland: Grubby, Ret, Harstem, ?, ?
I don't know where to fit Canada in there with only 2 players. Ukraine moved up to 6th spot, because that is still a quite fearsome line-up. All in all between 2nd and 6th spot it feels like it is a very close call.
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canada doesn´t really have to offer a "bunch of top players" so i wouldn´t pick canada for a top 5 position.
1 Scarlett can´t change it.
All other positions of your toplists are fine.
Agree with you
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On August 30 2013 00:06 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 21:58 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 21:09 BaneRiders wrote:On August 29 2013 18:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
When I was looking at these groups I remembered the whole "which country is the best outside of korea" discussion which went on in this forum for several months a time ago. So I figured that it might be a good idea to write down all of the players nationalities which led to this:
Korea: 9
Russia, Germany: 4
Sweden: 3
France, Spain: 2
Ukraine, Norway, Netherlands, Finland, UK, Poland, Denmark, Slovenia: 1
I'm a bit surprised by the ukraine because a great majority agreed that ukraine is at least in the top3 of europe and looking at Kas' group it is quite likely, that there won't be a single ukrainian left for the next groupstage.
Of course this is just a small sample and does not provide that much of a data.
Nevertheless I found it rather interesting. Yeah quite interesting indeed! Not having Dimaga in Premier League is of course a bit of an upset (for me at least) and both Bly and Strelok dropped out of challenger league now... It would be so cool to have a national championship similar to the Davis Cup in Tennis with say four 1v1s, two 2v2s, and one 3v3, each nation lining up 4-5 players. Would be cool.. but pls not 2v2 and 3v3, max 1 2v2 and the other 1v1. I think still the best nations are something like this.. is hard to tell anyhow... 1.Korea 2.Sweden 3.Canada 4.Germany 5.Russia 6.France 7.Poland 8.Spain 9.China 10.Finland What do you think? I think we really need a world team championship to find out! Who would represent the countries though? Say five players each: 1.Korea: (I'm not going to touch this with a 3 meter stick ) 2.Sweden: Naniwa, Sase, ThorZain, Sortof, ? 3.Canada: Scarlett, Huk, ?, ?, ? 4.Germany: HasuObs, TLO, Krass, Showtime,? 5.Russia: Happy, Titan, sLivko, Noname, ? 6.France: Dayshi, Firecake, ToD, ?, ? 7.Poland: Nerchio, Tefel, MaNa, uzer, ? 8.Spain: Vortix, Lucifron, Alastor, ?, ? 9.China: Jim, Macsed, Top, ?, ? 10.Finland: Welmu, Elfi, Fuzer, ?, ? I have to throw in the Netherlands and Ukraine into the discussion here as well: Holland: Grubby, Ret, Harstem, ?, ? Ukraine: Kas, Dimaga, Strelok, Bly, ? I think there is a lot of candidates for the last spot in Sweden (Morrow, Bischu, Sjow), Germany (Heromarine, Socke, Tarrantius) Russia (Verdi, Bratok, Livezerg) and Poland (DieStar, Paranoid) to mention a few, but I'm not so sure about Canada tbh. It feels like Spain and Finland is similar in that there are few given candidates behind the top players that could easily claim the last spots... When I look at it like this I'd like to reshuffle the list just a bit: 1.Korea: (I'm still not going to touch this with a 3 meter stick ) 2.Sweden: Naniwa, Sase, ThorZain, Sortof, ? 3.Germany: HasuObs, TLO, Krass, Showtime,? 4.Russia: Happy, Titan, sLivko, Noname, ? 5.Poland: Nerchio, Tefel, MaNa, uzer, ? 6.Ukraine: Kas, Dimaga, Strelok, Bly, ? 7.France: Dayshi, Firecake, ToD, ?, ? 8.Spain: Vortix, Lucifron, Alastor, ?, ? 9.China: Jim, Macsed, Top, ?, ? 10.Finland: Welmu, Elfi, Fuzer, ?, ? 10.Holland: Grubby, Ret, Harstem, ?, ? I don't know where to fit Canada in there with only 2 players. Ukraine moved up to 6th spot, because that is still a quite fearsome line-up. All in all between 2nd and 6th spot it feels like it is a very close call.
Naama, in Naama we trust. He allkilled team Sweden (swevsfin match) and after that went to win DH2010Winter.
But in reality, after Welmu, elfi and Fuzer(even tho he is retired) there is Naama, Satiini, Protosser and rising star Jagelius. And Protossers 14yo brother Serral.
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You are right of course, I had forgotten about Naama. Haven't seen him much lately though? Jagelius I haven't seen at all, and I'm sure there are plenty of more upcoming players I haven't noticed yet (like most of the Chinese players for example).
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On August 30 2013 03:09 BaneRiders wrote:You are right of course, I had forgotten about Naama. Haven't seen him much lately though? Jagelius I haven't seen at all, and I'm sure there are plenty of more upcoming players I haven't noticed yet (like most of the Chinese players for example).
Just ended "SteelSeries KoTH - Fnatic v prOperty $250" where Naama won RunA with his own style :D from banshee to macro mech game.
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On August 30 2013 00:06 BaneRiders wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 21:58 jarod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 21:09 BaneRiders wrote:On August 29 2013 18:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
When I was looking at these groups I remembered the whole "which country is the best outside of korea" discussion which went on in this forum for several months a time ago. So I figured that it might be a good idea to write down all of the players nationalities which led to this:
Korea: 9
Russia, Germany: 4
Sweden: 3
France, Spain: 2
Ukraine, Norway, Netherlands, Finland, UK, Poland, Denmark, Slovenia: 1
I'm a bit surprised by the ukraine because a great majority agreed that ukraine is at least in the top3 of europe and looking at Kas' group it is quite likely, that there won't be a single ukrainian left for the next groupstage.
Of course this is just a small sample and does not provide that much of a data.
Nevertheless I found it rather interesting. Yeah quite interesting indeed! Not having Dimaga in Premier League is of course a bit of an upset (for me at least) and both Bly and Strelok dropped out of challenger league now... It would be so cool to have a national championship similar to the Davis Cup in Tennis with say four 1v1s, two 2v2s, and one 3v3, each nation lining up 4-5 players. Would be cool.. but pls not 2v2 and 3v3, max 1 2v2 and the other 1v1. I think still the best nations are something like this.. is hard to tell anyhow... 1.Korea 2.Sweden 3.Canada 4.Germany 5.Russia 6.France 7.Poland 8.Spain 9.China 10.Finland What do you think? I think we really need a world team championship to find out! Who would represent the countries though? Say five players each: 1.Korea: (I'm not going to touch this with a 3 meter stick ) 2.Sweden: Naniwa, Sase, ThorZain, Sortof, ? 3.Canada: Scarlett, Huk, ?, ?, ? 4.Germany: HasuObs, TLO, Krass, Showtime,? 5.Russia: Happy, Titan, sLivko, Noname, ? 6.France: Dayshi, Firecake, ToD, ?, ? 7.Poland: Nerchio, Tefel, MaNa, uzer, ? 8.Spain: Vortix, Lucifron, Alastor, ?, ? 9.China: Jim, Macsed, Top, ?, ? 10.Finland: Welmu, Elfi, Fuzer, ?, ? I have to throw in the Netherlands and Ukraine into the discussion here as well: Holland: Grubby, Ret, Harstem, ?, ? Ukraine: Kas, Dimaga, Strelok, Bly, ? I think there is a lot of candidates for the last spot in Sweden (Morrow, Bischu, Sjow), Germany (Heromarine, Socke, Tarrantius) Russia (Verdi, Bratok, Livezerg) and Poland (DieStar, Paranoid) to mention a few, but I'm not so sure about Canada tbh. It feels like Spain and Finland is similar in that there are few given candidates behind the top players that could easily claim the last spots... When I look at it like this I'd like to reshuffle the list just a bit: 1.Korea: (I'm still not going to touch this with a 3 meter stick ) 2.Sweden: Naniwa, Sase, ThorZain, Sortof, ? 3.Germany: HasuObs, TLO, Krass, Showtime,? 4.Russia: Happy, Titan, sLivko, Noname, ? 5.Poland: Nerchio, Tefel, MaNa, uzer, ? 6.Ukraine: Kas, Dimaga, Strelok, Bly, ? 7.France: Dayshi, Firecake, ToD, ?, ? 8.Spain: Vortix, Lucifron, Alastor, ?, ? 9.China: Jim, Macsed, Top, ?, ? 10.Finland: Welmu, Elfi, Fuzer, ?, ? 10.Holland: Grubby, Ret, Harstem, ?, ? I don't know where to fit Canada in there with only 2 players. Ukraine moved up to 6th spot, because that is still a quite fearsome line-up. All in all between 2nd and 6th spot it feels like it is a very close call.
can't believe all dutch players are from holland. feels like saying skåne instead of sweden or bavaria instead of germany.
some more names
swe: hOpe
ger: Socke, Heromarine
urk: fraer
EDIT:
so whos your #2 in Group A?
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Interesting to see that group A has so many votes for toughest group. When I first saw the groups, my initial reaction was that it was one of the easiest groups Naniwa could get.
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On August 30 2013 03:37 Shelltoe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 00:06 BaneRiders wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 21:58 jarod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 21:09 BaneRiders wrote:On August 29 2013 18:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
When I was looking at these groups I remembered the whole "which country is the best outside of korea" discussion which went on in this forum for several months a time ago. So I figured that it might be a good idea to write down all of the players nationalities which led to this:
Korea: 9
Russia, Germany: 4
Sweden: 3
France, Spain: 2
Ukraine, Norway, Netherlands, Finland, UK, Poland, Denmark, Slovenia: 1
I'm a bit surprised by the ukraine because a great majority agreed that ukraine is at least in the top3 of europe and looking at Kas' group it is quite likely, that there won't be a single ukrainian left for the next groupstage.
Of course this is just a small sample and does not provide that much of a data.
Nevertheless I found it rather interesting. Yeah quite interesting indeed! Not having Dimaga in Premier League is of course a bit of an upset (for me at least) and both Bly and Strelok dropped out of challenger league now... It would be so cool to have a national championship similar to the Davis Cup in Tennis with say four 1v1s, two 2v2s, and one 3v3, each nation lining up 4-5 players. Would be cool.. but pls not 2v2 and 3v3, max 1 2v2 and the other 1v1. I think still the best nations are something like this.. is hard to tell anyhow... 1.Korea 2.Sweden 3.Canada 4.Germany 5.Russia 6.France 7.Poland 8.Spain 9.China 10.Finland What do you think? I think we really need a world team championship to find out! Who would represent the countries though? Say five players each: 1.Korea: (I'm not going to touch this with a 3 meter stick ) 2.Sweden: Naniwa, Sase, ThorZain, Sortof, ? 3.Canada: Scarlett, Huk, ?, ?, ? 4.Germany: HasuObs, TLO, Krass, Showtime,? 5.Russia: Happy, Titan, sLivko, Noname, ? 6.France: Dayshi, Firecake, ToD, ?, ? 7.Poland: Nerchio, Tefel, MaNa, uzer, ? 8.Spain: Vortix, Lucifron, Alastor, ?, ? 9.China: Jim, Macsed, Top, ?, ? 10.Finland: Welmu, Elfi, Fuzer, ?, ? I have to throw in the Netherlands and Ukraine into the discussion here as well: Holland: Grubby, Ret, Harstem, ?, ? Ukraine: Kas, Dimaga, Strelok, Bly, ? I think there is a lot of candidates for the last spot in Sweden (Morrow, Bischu, Sjow), Germany (Heromarine, Socke, Tarrantius) Russia (Verdi, Bratok, Livezerg) and Poland (DieStar, Paranoid) to mention a few, but I'm not so sure about Canada tbh. It feels like Spain and Finland is similar in that there are few given candidates behind the top players that could easily claim the last spots... When I look at it like this I'd like to reshuffle the list just a bit: 1.Korea: (I'm still not going to touch this with a 3 meter stick ) 2.Sweden: Naniwa, Sase, ThorZain, Sortof, ? 3.Germany: HasuObs, TLO, Krass, Showtime,? 4.Russia: Happy, Titan, sLivko, Noname, ? 5.Poland: Nerchio, Tefel, MaNa, uzer, ? 6.Ukraine: Kas, Dimaga, Strelok, Bly, ? 7.France: Dayshi, Firecake, ToD, ?, ? 8.Spain: Vortix, Lucifron, Alastor, ?, ? 9.China: Jim, Macsed, Top, ?, ? 10.Finland: Welmu, Elfi, Fuzer, ?, ? 10.Holland: Grubby, Ret, Harstem, ?, ? I don't know where to fit Canada in there with only 2 players. Ukraine moved up to 6th spot, because that is still a quite fearsome line-up. All in all between 2nd and 6th spot it feels like it is a very close call. can't believe all dutch players are from holland. feels like saying skåne instead of sweden or bavaria instead of germany. some more names swe: hOpe ger: Socke, Heromarine urk: fraer EDIT: so whos your #2 in Group A? V
Ah, sorry about mixing up Holland and Netherlands.
Yeah, I mentioned Heromarine and Socke in the post there.
In Group A I put ToD as number 2.
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On August 29 2013 20:44 winthrop wrote:
champions always get easy groups
Mvp definitely is one
It is true that Mvp got through a group of death way back in GSL August... since then, Mvp has been placed in really awesome groups.
Mvp for repeat EU championship anyone?
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On August 30 2013 07:34 Entirety wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 20:44 winthrop wrote:
champions always get easy groups
Mvp definitely is one It is true that Mvp got through a group of death way back in GSL August... since then, Mvp has been placed in really awesome groups. Mvp for repeat EU championship anyone?
he has to play with lag from korea again. I wouldn't be suprised if he falls short. directly out of R32 or R16 latest...
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Wouldn't be surprised either but I think he makes it at least through group stage.
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On August 30 2013 17:32 MuMeise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 07:34 Entirety wrote:On August 29 2013 20:44 winthrop wrote:
champions always get easy groups
Mvp definitely is one It is true that Mvp got through a group of death way back in GSL August... since then, Mvp has been placed in really awesome groups. Mvp for repeat EU championship anyone? he has to play with lag from korea again. I wouldn't be suprised if he falls short. directly out of R32 or R16 latest...
So far, Mvp has not succumbed to the wall of lag.
S1: Made it through Ro32, took 1st place
S2: Made it through Ro32, dropped out in Ro16 (offline no lag), made it through CL Ro16 (online lag)
Surprisingly, maybe Mvp has a higher chance to advance with lag?
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