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Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
August 20 2013 08:43 GMT
#1
Something for the Protoss Players amongst you



Hope you enjoy the video! Give it a thumbs up if you do and don't forget to subscribe :D
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
August 20 2013 08:46 GMT
#2
I think you should make a thread to compile all of your APM video's instead of them being scattered around the TL.net forums.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 08:52:50
August 20 2013 08:52 GMT
#3
On August 20 2013 17:46 thezanursic wrote:
I think you should make a thread to compile all of your APM video's instead of them being scattered around the TL.net forums.


I responded to this about 20 times already but here is once again an exact quote of what I have to say to that topic:

"Someone is more than welcome to have a thread like this. I personally recommend the playlist: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmHhGKzRGhKQXAK04jH8CwaM8cb9QQSIf

And as to the advertising: unfortunately nobody gives a rat's ass about a single thread that's called "APM Videos of Korean Proplayers" that is updated every few weeks/months in comparison to specific threads about players like Boxer, Flash, Innovation, Losira, Life etc.

Cheers, Khaldor"
Tutorials, Quick Tips and Guides: www.YouTube.com/KhaldorTV
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 20 2013 08:59 GMT
#4
Can you add the hardware specs, too?
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12499 Posts
August 20 2013 09:14 GMT
#5
surprisingly low apm throughout the entire game.
watching him landing those forcefield with a sudden change in the mouse speed is awesome though
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
August 20 2013 09:20 GMT
#6
On August 20 2013 18:14 ETisME wrote:
surprisingly low apm throughout the entire game.
watching him landing those forcefield with a sudden change in the mouse speed is awesome though

Rain was never the fastest player. He's fast enough and very precise though. Looked solid to me.
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 09:32:04
August 20 2013 09:23 GMT
#7
Thanks so much Khaldor!
EDIT: I love the "well done" at the end
It's good to be back
partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
August 20 2013 09:29 GMT
#8
i personally don't like that type of style that rain showed this game, where you forgo tech for a long time in order to get a huge gateway tech. i think it's because my years of playing protoss has ingrained in my head that stalkers are terribad.
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Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
August 20 2013 13:26 GMT
#9
On August 20 2013 18:29 partydude89 wrote:
i personally don't like that type of style that rain showed this game, where you forgo tech for a long time in order to get a huge gateway tech. i think it's because my years of playing protoss has ingrained in my head that stalkers are terribad.


Well it's not really about the style that he played in the video xD More about his actions regarding Keyboard/Mouse
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 20 2013 13:32 GMT
#10
On August 20 2013 22:26 Khaldor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 18:29 partydude89 wrote:
i personally don't like that type of style that rain showed this game, where you forgo tech for a long time in order to get a huge gateway tech. i think it's because my years of playing protoss has ingrained in my head that stalkers are terribad.


Well it's not really about the style that he played in the video xD More about his actions regarding Keyboard/Mouse

For me it's an opportunity to see another Rain VOD :D.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 20 2013 13:39 GMT
#11
I wonder what keyboard he uses?
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
August 20 2013 13:40 GMT
#12
that was amazing, thanks alot
Sc2 always got your back
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
August 20 2013 13:59 GMT
#13
i like to ultra conservative, superly defensive macro style of rain. if he was an ancient warrior he would have a shield and a sword
Squiggles
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada54 Posts
August 20 2013 14:31 GMT
#14
First of all, thank you Khaldor for these videos! Keep it up!

There should really be more focus about the physical skills it takes to play this game in esports coverage.

On August 20 2013 18:29 partydude89 wrote:
i personally don't like that type of style that rain showed this game, where you forgo tech for a long time in order to get a huge gateway tech. i think it's because my years of playing protoss has ingrained in my head that stalkers are terribad.


IMO. I find going gateway heavy is a hell lot of more fun and rewarding, and is more micro-oriented. You can't mess up your FF's/blink or you'll get overrun by zerg/mmm, instead of just getting powerful dps units like the colossi.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 20 2013 14:34 GMT
#15
On August 20 2013 22:39 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I wonder what keyboard he uses?

It's a Tenkeyless (No Numpad) Filco with brown switches and US layout.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 14:38:22
August 20 2013 14:38 GMT
#16
Khaldor actually has a blessing instead of a curse,each time i saw him filming behind a player this one won.

Also Rain should stream,it seems pretty watchable.
RIP MKP
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
August 20 2013 14:39 GMT
#17
On August 20 2013 18:20 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 18:14 ETisME wrote:
surprisingly low apm throughout the entire game.
watching him landing those forcefield with a sudden change in the mouse speed is awesome though

Rain was never the fastest player. He's fast enough and very precise though. Looked solid to me.


If you want pure highest apm and fastest Protoss probably is Seed and MC. 300+apm
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 20 2013 14:42 GMT
#18
On August 20 2013 23:38 shid0x wrote:
Khaldor actually has a blessing instead of a curse,each time i saw him filming behind a player this one won.

Also Rain should stream,it seems pretty watchable.

No Kespa players stream. Flash is going to as part of the Twitch deal, but don't expect serious games.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
August 20 2013 14:57 GMT
#19
On August 20 2013 18:14 ETisME wrote:
surprisingly low apm throughout the entire game.
watching him landing those forcefield with a sudden change in the mouse speed is awesome though


That was very fast and very precise. Which protoss player are you measuring him against?
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
August 20 2013 14:58 GMT
#20
On August 20 2013 23:39 covetousrat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 18:20 Valikyr wrote:
On August 20 2013 18:14 ETisME wrote:
surprisingly low apm throughout the entire game.
watching him landing those forcefield with a sudden change in the mouse speed is awesome though

Rain was never the fastest player. He's fast enough and very precise though. Looked solid to me.


If you want pure highest apm and fastest Protoss probably is Seed and MC. 300+apm


What is "pure highest apm"? Do you mean effective APM? They obviously do not have 300+ effective APM and I'm not sure why anyone would care about a base APM number. I highly doubt either of those players has higher eAPM than Rain.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
August 20 2013 16:03 GMT
#21
Damn, that gave me new respect for Gateway heavy Protoss. Looks fun to play! Maybe that's the style I will play when I switch
KT FlaSh FOREVER
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 20 2013 16:08 GMT
#22
And who said Protoss doesn't require as much APM?
liftlift > tsm
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
August 20 2013 16:12 GMT
#23
On August 20 2013 23:39 covetousrat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 18:20 Valikyr wrote:
On August 20 2013 18:14 ETisME wrote:
surprisingly low apm throughout the entire game.
watching him landing those forcefield with a sudden change in the mouse speed is awesome though

Rain was never the fastest player. He's fast enough and very precise though. Looked solid to me.


If you want pure highest apm and fastest Protoss probably is Seed and MC. 300+apm


Puzzle is also crazy fast.
orangeorange
Profile Joined October 2012
134 Posts
August 20 2013 16:17 GMT
#24
On August 20 2013 18:14 ETisME wrote:
surprisingly low apm throughout the entire game.
watching him landing those forcefield with a sudden change in the mouse speed is awesome though


To me he looked extremely fast and clean/efficient. I've probably spent thousands of hours watching all the top protoss streams and rain would rank up there as among the fastest. A lot of people may look faster because they're flailing their mouse around or wasting a lot of actions, or aren't as good at using camera hotkeys and frantically scroll around all over the place, but that doesn't mean they're getting more done.
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
August 20 2013 16:22 GMT
#25
On August 20 2013 18:29 partydude89 wrote:
i personally don't like that type of style that rain showed this game, where you forgo tech for a long time in order to get a huge gateway tech. i think it's because my years of playing protoss has ingrained in my head that stalkers are terribad.


lol he get blink . in any micro test map you see the efficiency of stalkers double when having and microing properly BLINK .
tones of stalkers + sentry(for guardian shield ) is the new meta latelty on KR ladder . is very good vs muta play aswel . like really good .
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
iGn1t3
Profile Joined May 2011
Hong Kong73 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 16:31:06
August 20 2013 16:29 GMT
#26
Thanks for all these apm videos Khaldor!
I lose today to win tomorrow.
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
August 21 2013 02:15 GMT
#27
Is that Pocari Sweat?
When cats speak, mice listen.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 09:01:39
August 21 2013 09:00 GMT
#28
Another sick video. Can't thank you enough Khaldor. Keep it up.

Which mouse is he using? the mico?

I'm guessing you can't include gear in the description because a lot of these players using gear not from their sponsor? Just wondering.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 10:30:32
August 21 2013 10:30 GMT
#29
Well SKT1 has no gear sponsor
It's good to be back
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
August 21 2013 10:35 GMT
#30
long fingers are op
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 10:46:58
August 21 2013 10:46 GMT
#31
On August 21 2013 01:17 orangeorange wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 18:14 ETisME wrote:
surprisingly low apm throughout the entire game.
watching him landing those forcefield with a sudden change in the mouse speed is awesome though


To me he looked extremely fast and clean/efficient. I've probably spent thousands of hours watching all the top protoss streams and rain would rank up there as among the fastest. A lot of people may look faster because they're flailing their mouse around or wasting a lot of actions, or aren't as good at using camera hotkeys and frantically scroll around all over the place, but that doesn't mean they're getting more done.

Another point in my view is that his APM is more on his mouse than keyboard.
People tend to focus os keyboard and think that "machine gun" sound (tatatatatatatatat) = APM.
Im my opinion people should watch again and focus on his mouse. Its beautifull.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44228 Posts
August 21 2013 10:46 GMT
#32
On August 20 2013 17:52 Khaldor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 17:46 thezanursic wrote:
I think you should make a thread to compile all of your APM video's instead of them being scattered around the TL.net forums.


I responded to this about 20 times already but here is once again an exact quote of what I have to say to that topic:

"Someone is more than welcome to have a thread like this. I personally recommend the playlist: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmHhGKzRGhKQXAK04jH8CwaM8cb9QQSIf

And as to the advertising: unfortunately nobody gives a rat's ass about a single thread that's called "APM Videos of Korean Proplayers" that is updated every few weeks/months in comparison to specific threads about players like Boxer, Flash, Innovation, Losira, Life etc.

Cheers, Khaldor"


khaldor .. i think you can add that youtube link on the next apm video thread that you will post .. it will be much convenient just saying .. great vid BTW !
this is a quote
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44228 Posts
August 21 2013 10:47 GMT
#33
On August 21 2013 01:12 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 23:39 covetousrat wrote:
On August 20 2013 18:20 Valikyr wrote:
On August 20 2013 18:14 ETisME wrote:
surprisingly low apm throughout the entire game.
watching him landing those forcefield with a sudden change in the mouse speed is awesome though

Rain was never the fastest player. He's fast enough and very precise though. Looked solid to me.


If you want pure highest apm and fastest Protoss probably is Seed and MC. 300+apm


Puzzle is also crazy fast.


yeah MC was a speed freak .. though i have not seen puzzle .. some people also say that Bisu has the APM level for terran pros
this is a quote
cloneThorN
Profile Joined September 2012
Denmark302 Posts
August 21 2013 10:58 GMT
#34
On August 21 2013 01:22 xsnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 18:29 partydude89 wrote:
i personally don't like that type of style that rain showed this game, where you forgo tech for a long time in order to get a huge gateway tech. i think it's because my years of playing protoss has ingrained in my head that stalkers are terribad.


lol he get blink . in any micro test map you see the efficiency of stalkers double when having and microing properly BLINK .
tones of stalkers + sentry(for guardian shield ) is the new meta latelty on KR ladder . is very good vs muta play aswel . like really good .


"New Meta"'
Stalker timings have been the meta ever since Neo Planet S got into the mappool.

They are insanely hard to hold, as they turn whatever defenders advantage you have against you.
I can do anything i want, until otherwise is proven.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44228 Posts
August 21 2013 11:01 GMT
#35
its nice to see that he is not amove .. and micros stalkers well
this is a quote
Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
August 21 2013 21:58 GMT
#36
On August 21 2013 18:00 TRaFFiC wrote:
I'm guessing you can't include gear in the description because a lot of these players using gear not from their sponsor? Just wondering.


I simply don't know which gear they are using most of the time. When I record videos I record as many as I can during the day and kinda lose track to be honest. Usually the comments figure out the hardware specs quite soon after I uploaded the video
Tutorials, Quick Tips and Guides: www.YouTube.com/KhaldorTV
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