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DeCoder
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland236 Posts
August 09 2013 13:33 GMT
#21
So it's 6 zergs, 9 protoss and 17 terran in the RO32. It's like 2010 all over again!
VKCA
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada391 Posts
August 09 2013 13:34 GMT
#22
Good zergs in code s so far: symbol soulkey and true....
Fuck. I hope at least some of curious/roro/effort/kangho get through


Also bigups to pigbaby, it sucks that he's getting into code s just in time for there to be all those protoss pvp monsters in there, his pvz isso eentertaining
sunless
Profile Joined November 2011
62 Posts
August 09 2013 14:14 GMT
#23
On August 09 2013 22:33 DeCoder wrote:
So it's 6 zergs, 9 protoss and 17 terran in the RO32. It's like 2010 all over again!


17 terrans? Max 13. Assuming MKP, Fantasy and Jjakji make it through. Worse case there will be 6 zerg, 12 toss, 13 terran.

And that is probably the best case scenario in the long term for zerg...
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Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 14:31:38
August 09 2013 14:17 GMT
#24
SC2 proscene increasingly feels like coin toss proscene. I am not saying it is that way, probably a professional statistician could prove it's far from random, but it certainly feels that way. And when the outcome of any match whatsoever is (feels like it is) 50/50, I find it hard to find any interest to watch.

Yes the game itself may be beautiful, with nice strategy decisions, good control, amazing harass from both sides, but then X just blindly walks into the "nice conclave" from Y and suddenly loses a game he almost won (from yesterday's WCS EU).

I find it hard to enjoy all the amazing strategy decisions and unit control if they don't matter in a long run, if you can make one mistake and undo everything you did before. Coincidentally that's also why I enjoy "cheese" games way more than so called "macro", when there's a rush everything suddenly matters, you make a mistake you lose, then I enjoy decisions and unit / economy control very much.

I also find it hard to take seriously absolutely any claims of player X being "best in the world" or "Among the elite few" when the very next day they lose to "mediocre" players. To me everyone looks about the same skill level. I mean c'mon, with all the hype behind them, Life and Leenock are now in Code A. Life even managed to lose to foreigners in Dreamhack, not to take anything away from them, but none of them were ever hyped half as much as Life. Yes, jokes of Artosis curse and such are fun once in a while, but ultimately we are here to see top level games from supposedly top level players. If even seasoned casters fail to predict who wins so often, isn't it a coin toss for all intents and purposes?

I don't even know what/who is to blame, a game, a skill ceiling, players, tournament formats, nothing/nobody. I would be genuinely interested in statistical analysis of 2013 tournament results compared to what we'd expect from coin toss tournaments of the same format. Buying a beer to anyone who does it as long as it's valid, professional, scientific
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Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
August 09 2013 14:26 GMT
#25


I think we should start a movement to get Pigbaby to change his name back to Haruhi. ^^;;

Or I'm just going to call him Haruhi whenever I see him play.

Nevertheless, I hope he does well in Code S next season!
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Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
August 09 2013 14:29 GMT
#26
Awww man Leenock stahp.

Really awesome that Pigbaby got in though...
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CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 14:48:38
August 09 2013 14:48 GMT
#27
Pigbaby? These guys really manage to find even worse nicknames all the time. I thought Swagger would be an all time low, but I guess I was wrong. At least Keen advanced.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2013 14:59 GMT
#28
On August 09 2013 23:48 CruelZeratul wrote:
Pigbaby? These guys really manage to find even worse nicknames all the time. I thought Swagger would be an all time low, but I guess I was wrong. At least Keen advanced.

Swagger was a least funny, like MVP, but less witty. But PigBaby is a new all time "Good fucking luck with that Artosis," high.
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eejaydubya
Profile Joined June 2012
United States36 Posts
August 09 2013 15:03 GMT
#29
I'll cheer for PigBaby purely on the basis of his nick. Unless he pulls Gumiho again.
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Mad Scientists
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States18 Posts
August 09 2013 15:17 GMT
#30
I'm really ready to go back to the old GSL format. Ever since the introduction of WCS the tournaments coming out of Korea are far less exciting. The best players are almost to spread out and I miss seeing them pitted up against eachother. This is of course just my opinion, but it seems like only WCS Europe is actually succeeding in holding a proper WCS tournament. Bring back the REAL code S, it doesn't feel the same anymore.
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 09 2013 15:20 GMT
#31
On August 09 2013 20:59 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 20:38 negativedge wrote:
no nestea award for leenock

sucks that he actually did spend ten straight seasons in the top flight korean league, only to have one of them not count.

If Mr Chae wasn't a retardedly biased IM fanboy, Leenock would have gotten the award.


"Oh you did the requirement of 10 Code S seasons in a row? Shame it wasn't the right type of Code S huehuelolol ^_^_^_^"
- Mr Chae 2013

And yes I am mad. Dunno why Mr Chae decided to do like he did. And also if Blizzard had started the WCS system one season later Leenock would have gotten it as well.

Should just give Leenock the award and then if DRG/MKP qualifies them as well. And then discontinue the award altogether cause it will take 4 years to get it now.

I would be sad if Leenock dropped out of his 9th season. But it wasn't his 9th, it was his 10th and he did what was required.

Blame the WCS system, not Mr Chae. It is the same reason that even tough a ton of eSF players that had code S before are suddenly royal roader contenders.
Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
August 09 2013 15:23 GMT
#32
Ow no... Leenock. I always really liked his play.
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 15:32:27
August 09 2013 15:31 GMT
#33
On August 10 2013 00:17 Mad Scientists wrote:
I'm really ready to go back to the old GSL format. Ever since the introduction of WCS the tournaments coming out of Korea are far less exciting. The best players are almost to spread out and I miss seeing them pitted up against eachother. This is of course just my opinion, but it seems like only WCS Europe is actually succeeding in holding a proper WCS tournament. Bring back the REAL code S, it doesn't feel the same anymore.

This. I hardly watch any tournaments at all anymore since WCS was introduced. I check the results, but I watch like 2 or 3 games a month if I randomly see Mvp or Bomber playing. Before WCS I watched as much GSL, GSTL and other Korean tournaments as I possibly could. It just feels weird and boring now. Also Mvp, MC etc not playing in Korea is fucking retarded. But I guess we can't undo it anymore...
Well, atleast Keen advanced.
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
August 09 2013 15:31 GMT
#34
On August 10 2013 00:20 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 20:59 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On August 09 2013 20:38 negativedge wrote:
no nestea award for leenock

sucks that he actually did spend ten straight seasons in the top flight korean league, only to have one of them not count.

If Mr Chae wasn't a retardedly biased IM fanboy, Leenock would have gotten the award.


"Oh you did the requirement of 10 Code S seasons in a row? Shame it wasn't the right type of Code S huehuelolol ^_^_^_^"
- Mr Chae 2013

And yes I am mad. Dunno why Mr Chae decided to do like he did. And also if Blizzard had started the WCS system one season later Leenock would have gotten it as well.

Should just give Leenock the award and then if DRG/MKP qualifies them as well. And then discontinue the award altogether cause it will take 4 years to get it now.

I would be sad if Leenock dropped out of his 9th season. But it wasn't his 9th, it was his 10th and he did what was required.

Blame the WCS system, not Mr Chae. It is the same reason that even tough a ton of eSF players that had code S before are suddenly royal roader contenders.

No? It was Chae's decision to make OSL Code S not count. Not WCS system. He could have made OSL count as well and Leenock would've gotten the award.

But w/e Leenock obviously has to do 11 seasons a in row for an award for 10. Because fuck logic
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TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
August 09 2013 16:17 GMT
#35
It would be completely idiotic to give Leenock the NesTea award lol. Why would he get it? Its 10 seasons of Code S not 9 seasons of code S and 1 of Starleague.

So happy keen made it though. 3 MVP players in Code S (soon to be four when DRG wins NesTea award )
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stAMy
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway30 Posts
August 09 2013 16:18 GMT
#36
The Neaste award is a curse!
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
August 09 2013 16:29 GMT
#37
On August 10 2013 00:31 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 00:20 Assirra wrote:
On August 09 2013 20:59 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On August 09 2013 20:38 negativedge wrote:
no nestea award for leenock

sucks that he actually did spend ten straight seasons in the top flight korean league, only to have one of them not count.

If Mr Chae wasn't a retardedly biased IM fanboy, Leenock would have gotten the award.


"Oh you did the requirement of 10 Code S seasons in a row? Shame it wasn't the right type of Code S huehuelolol ^_^_^_^"
- Mr Chae 2013

And yes I am mad. Dunno why Mr Chae decided to do like he did. And also if Blizzard had started the WCS system one season later Leenock would have gotten it as well.

Should just give Leenock the award and then if DRG/MKP qualifies them as well. And then discontinue the award altogether cause it will take 4 years to get it now.

I would be sad if Leenock dropped out of his 9th season. But it wasn't his 9th, it was his 10th and he did what was required.

Blame the WCS system, not Mr Chae. It is the same reason that even tough a ton of eSF players that had code S before are suddenly royal roader contenders.

No? It was Chae's decision to make OSL Code S not count. Not WCS system. He could have made OSL count as well and Leenock would've gotten the award.

But w/e Leenock obviously has to do 11 seasons a in row for an award for 10. Because fuck logic


Why would OSL count for a GSL reward? It's not like you coulnd't royal road MSL if you had an OSL trophy before that...
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
August 09 2013 16:39 GMT
#38
On August 10 2013 01:17 TommyP wrote:
It would be completely idiotic to give Leenock the NesTea award lol. Why would he get it? Its 10 seasons of Code S not 9 seasons of code S and 1 of Starleague.

So happy keen made it though. 3 MVP players in Code S (soon to be four when DRG wins NesTea award )

As if he could control it being Starleague?

And everyone calls OSL Code S anyway. We all know it's Code S. So it is 9 seasons of GOM Code S and then 1 season of OGN Code S. It was Code S nontheless and he qualified through GOMtv Up and Down last season. If it had been a completely separate qualifier I wouldn't argue. But 10 seasons in a row is 10 seasons in a row.

Oh well, SC2 just lost a few more viewers until he gets the award. Deserving ppl not getting what they achieved is pretty bullshit. It's like changing the prizepool in a tournament right before the final.



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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 09 2013 16:50 GMT
#39
On August 10 2013 01:39 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 01:17 TommyP wrote:
It would be completely idiotic to give Leenock the NesTea award lol. Why would he get it? Its 10 seasons of Code S not 9 seasons of code S and 1 of Starleague.

So happy keen made it though. 3 MVP players in Code S (soon to be four when DRG wins NesTea award )

As if he could control it being Starleague?

And everyone calls OSL Code S anyway. We all know it's Code S. So it is 9 seasons of GOM Code S and then 1 season of OGN Code S. It was Code S nontheless and he qualified through GOMtv Up and Down last season. If it had been a completely separate qualifier I wouldn't argue. But 10 seasons in a row is 10 seasons in a row.

Oh well, SC2 just lost a few more viewers until he gets the award. Deserving ppl not getting what they achieved is pretty bullshit. It's like changing the prizepool in a tournament right before the final.


Lol you must be new here. Even back in the Brood War days MSL and OSL (and GOM Classic) were always separate entities. Why would an achievement in an OGN tournament count towards a GOM tournament series title? Hardly reasonable.

And lol @ "SC2 just lost a few more viewers until he gets the award." Wow... that line was so edgy you managed to cut me even though we're not in the same country. XDDDDDDD
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TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
August 09 2013 16:51 GMT
#40
On August 10 2013 01:39 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 01:17 TommyP wrote:
It would be completely idiotic to give Leenock the NesTea award lol. Why would he get it? Its 10 seasons of Code S not 9 seasons of code S and 1 of Starleague.

So happy keen made it though. 3 MVP players in Code S (soon to be four when DRG wins NesTea award )

As if he could control it being Starleague?

And everyone calls OSL Code S anyway. We all know it's Code S. So it is 9 seasons of GOM Code S and then 1 season of OGN Code S. It was Code S nontheless and he qualified through GOMtv Up and Down last season. If it had been a completely separate qualifier I wouldn't argue. But 10 seasons in a row is 10 seasons in a row.

Oh well, SC2 just lost a few more viewers until he gets the award. Deserving ppl not getting what they achieved is pretty bullshit. It's like changing the prizepool in a tournament right before the final.




it doesnt change the fact that theyre 2 different tournaments. If the same happened to DRG i would be upset too so i see where youre coming from but it just doesnt make sense
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