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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
July 29 2013 03:02 GMT
#101
On July 29 2013 08:21 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 08:16 mostevil wrote:
On July 29 2013 08:11 TT1 wrote:
shit

care to elaborate?

Hot_Bid was preemptively congratulating Snute on winning after he took 3 games in a row, then HuK won 3 in a row and TT1 made that post about the Hot_Bid Jinx, then Snute pulled it off and won.


Honestly at this point I think I have seen more people when up 3-0 in a Bo7 lose the next 3 and pull it off then I have seen win game 4. I don't know why they always have to almost collapse but its weird and the only time I think ive seen total collapse is Innovation.
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
July 29 2013 03:07 GMT
#102
On July 28 2013 16:45 Dismay wrote:
Bomber has already ruined my liquibet, he may as well have the decency to win.

This. One thousand times this.

I love Rain and I'll be barracking for him (he is on the best team after all), but at this point Bomber might as well just win the GSL. For the record I have picked him to lose every time that he has won this season. It's starting to irritate me.
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trwkling
Profile Joined September 2011
658 Posts
July 29 2013 03:12 GMT
#103
On July 29 2013 12:07 althaz wrote:
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On July 28 2013 16:45 Dismay wrote:
Bomber has already ruined my liquibet, he may as well have the decency to win.

This. One thousand times this.

I love Rain and I'll be barracking for him (he is on the best team after all), but at this point Bomber might as well just win the GSL. For the record I have picked him to lose every time that he has won this season. It's starting to irritate me.


Please keep picking him to lose

I've also discovered that whenever I watch PRIME players play, they lose. Every single time I watch MKP he loses. When I don't watch him, he wins. Hence I've stopped watching anyone from Prime if I could haha
Myrddraal
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia937 Posts
July 29 2013 04:00 GMT
#104
On July 29 2013 09:58 tomsKa wrote:
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On July 29 2013 09:39 dinosrwar wrote:
On July 29 2013 09:17 tomsKa wrote:
Bomber won an MLG.

Thus bomber's law is not true.

But, the Artosis curse is less true because NesTea won three GSLs and if anyone rooted for NesTea it was Artosis.

Therefore Bomber's law is stronger.


So has Huk and MarineKing. MLG is not a barometer of whether or not curses are real.


This is no curse! Bomber's Law should always apply, and at a tournament like MLG with lots of rounds for him to blow up on the fact that he made it to win one would prove this law to be less rigid than "law" might imply.
On the other hand, MKP might have YellOw fever


Nah, Bomber's Law is ongoing, it isn't restricted to one tournament. Any time he wins it's just to build up hype so the letdown later is more intense.

For example, Bomber is allowed to win the OSL without breaking Bomber's Law, since that would hype him up to the maximum level, he just has to then lose to a foreigner or something at WCS World for maximum disappointment otherwise I would really be worried.
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Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
July 29 2013 05:54 GMT
#105
I have to say, as far as the debate of Artosis Curse vs. Bomber's Law is concerned, most of the evidence presented so far is actually not relevant.

All Bomber's Law states is that he will fail in proportion to whatever success he has. The more successful he is, the more disappointing he will be later.

So, it can some into play at any point. We do not yet know if Bomber's Law has applied to any of the matches such as First vs. Bomber in which the Artosis Curse was also relevant. Therefore, we cannot argue yet about which one is stronger. We must watch for the catastrophic phenomena* that will occur when Bomber's Law enacts itself in contradiction to the Artosis Curse, and then we will know that we can compare the two.

*Tasteless will most likely have a stroke, Artosis will spontaneously combust due to the power of the Curse suddenly flowing out of him in full force, John the Translator will likely be possessed by the powerful demons which oversee the Curse as he cries in a corner and then will turn into a demonic, homicidal maniac powered by the spirit of Yu-Gi-Oh cards, and Mr. Chae's head will explode from the result of an extreme aneurism from the stress of having to bear the brunt of more GomTvT jokes and the drop in viewership that will accompany them.
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TheLetterQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States65 Posts
July 29 2013 06:46 GMT
#106
I think most people posting here know it deep down, and a couple people have even said it, but both the Artoisis curse and Bombers legendary inconsistency are explainable.

For Artoisis, he starts the hype train for a lot of players after they show one good performance or strategy. The thing is, that happens a lot of the time, and most of the time these players don't go on to dominate, but just fade into obscurity. Top players come and go for sure, but betting for those already at the top is much safer than betting on some up and comer. That isn't how Artosis operates however, so his predictions notoriously fail.

Bombers law is a little harder to explain, and I might be grasping at straws here, but he has sort of a volatile playstyle. It is easy to see how his yolo scv pulls can work well when he is making good decisions, but work poorly when he is in a bad state of mind and playing poorly, not to mention the potential they have to fail no matter how good he is playing. Not to mention a large part of the time when he was playing mediocre occurred during the time when zerg was doing well, and while not a JYPvT-esque weakness, TvZ is historically his weakest matchup.
eusoc
Profile Joined November 2011
Italy82 Posts
July 30 2013 10:35 GMT
#107
I actually prefer this form of Bomber's Law:

Bomber's Law: Bomber will always disappoint.

Corollary to Bomber's Law: If Bomber does not disappoint, it will be in order to set up a bigger disappointment later.


Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
July 30 2013 11:01 GMT
#108
On July 30 2013 19:35 eusoc wrote:
I actually prefer this form of Bomber's Law:

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Bomber's Law: Bomber will always disappoint.

Corollary to Bomber's Law: If Bomber does not disappoint, it will be in order to set up a bigger disappointment later.




The disappointment will come when he quits SC3 at an age of 40 after dominating the whole time before. And he is not voted as president of the galaxy.
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
July 30 2013 11:05 GMT
#109
If you doubt the artosis curse. the curse hits you!
You will not see it coming.
You will not feel it happending.
You will not survive the artosis curse.

PS. Artosis beats all curses togethere. im sorry but its that powerful. you can only fear it.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 30 2013 11:08 GMT
#110
Ok, I have skimmed the thread and this has not been addressed:

How does the EG curse factor into this? Has the EG curse meet with Bombers law while under the shadow of the Artosis curse? How many progamers were destroyed when this happened?
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Shardz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States349 Posts
July 30 2013 11:11 GMT
#111
The Artosis curse is just too powerful. It takes players their whole careers to recover from it. D=
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ShadowFlame11
Profile Joined January 2013
United States11 Posts
July 30 2013 11:19 GMT
#112
On July 28 2013 16:12 Noocta wrote:
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On July 28 2013 16:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
I think Bomber will lose.

Not because of the "Artosis curse", but because Rain is pretty good.


Honestly, Rain is not that much better than First at PvT, so who knows.

See, I'm not so sure. Against Fantasy, First was playing what I consider to be the best PvT in HoTS, but he looked shaky vs Bomber. I do think Bomber can win though, his TvP is better than Supernova's, who nearly took Rain out
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
July 30 2013 11:45 GMT
#113
The Engine curse is the Korean Artosis curse.

Engine predicts "Bomber's performance so far is impressive, but the championship is probably pushing it" to which Bomber replied "Thank you".

endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 11:47:37
July 30 2013 11:47 GMT
#114
Ask Kim Carrier's prediction. Pick the opposite.
gg
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Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
July 30 2013 11:52 GMT
#115
On July 29 2013 12:02 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 08:21 Daralii wrote:
On July 29 2013 08:16 mostevil wrote:
On July 29 2013 08:11 TT1 wrote:
shit

care to elaborate?

Hot_Bid was preemptively congratulating Snute on winning after he took 3 games in a row, then HuK won 3 in a row and TT1 made that post about the Hot_Bid Jinx, then Snute pulled it off and won.


Honestly at this point I think I have seen more people when up 3-0 in a Bo7 lose the next 3 and pull it off then I have seen win game 4. I don't know why they always have to almost collapse but its weird and the only time I think ive seen total collapse is Innovation.


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dyDrawer
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada438 Posts
July 30 2013 11:53 GMT
#116
On July 28 2013 16:12 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 16:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
I think Bomber will lose.

Not because of the "Artosis curse", but because Rain is pretty good.


Honestly, Rain is not that much better than First at PvT, so who knows.


Actually, I think Rain is a far more consistent player in terms of PvT.
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
July 30 2013 12:18 GMT
#117
On July 30 2013 20:53 dyDrawer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 16:12 Noocta wrote:
On July 28 2013 16:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
I think Bomber will lose.

Not because of the "Artosis curse", but because Rain is pretty good.


Honestly, Rain is not that much better than First at PvT, so who knows.


Actually, I think Rain is a far more consistent player in terms of PvT.


Rain has proven his skills over a longer time, with ups and downs, while First had stronger showings recently. It´s impossible to say, that´s why it´s so exciting.
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
July 30 2013 12:19 GMT
#118
The Artosis Curse just took down Innovation, who Tastosis has called the best in the world. That's really impressive.
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renkin
Profile Joined July 2010
France249 Posts
July 30 2013 13:09 GMT
#119
The Artosis curse is a danger for Esports.

Today Artosis showed us how powerfull it has become : he cursed and destroyed Innovation, the best player the world.
If Innovation fell, anyone can.
No one is safe as long as you're playing under Artosis radar...

If Innovation wants his curse to be lifted, he needs to direct Artosis focus somewhere else, to keep low for awhile.
He should play on Go4SC2 for a few seasons.
anessie
Profile Joined August 2011
180 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 13:18:45
July 30 2013 13:16 GMT
#120
So taking all of the above into account, Bomber will crush rain on Thursday and Maru will be WCS KR champion going 4-0 in the tvt finals yes
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