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mousesports and Illusion part ways - Page 3

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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
July 17 2013 19:21 GMT
#41
Doesn't sound like the complete truth. Oh well, we will probably know more sooner or later.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
July 17 2013 19:21 GMT
#42
Yeah, their statements feel like their basically saying they want to focus on European players. Also his results were kinda lackluster in the last months (e.g. drop out of WCS completely after being in Challenger).

Illusion is still one of the top players in NA, one of the big five (EG, Quantic, Clarity, ROOT and complexity) will take him.

I hope mousesports picks up one of the promising German terrans (kauP, TrOn, KrasS) or Bunny. (pick up Bunny mouz. Do it. PICK HIM UP GODDAMNIT)
StimiLant
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States534 Posts
July 17 2013 19:23 GMT
#43
gl to both illusion and mouz! any1 need a top NA terran? oo?
Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
July 17 2013 19:30 GMT
#44
i see illusion as more of an american / NA player. Mouz is European based so it makes sense that he will likely join an NA team. Best of luck to him Maybe he will be back on Quantic again.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
July 17 2013 19:31 GMT
#45
From Illusion; also ad it to the OP:
Chris Lee ‏@mouzIllusion 3m
my time with mouz comes to an unexpected end today, was a good adventure but it wasnt the place where I could succeed. teamless for now
AwM
Profile Joined November 2012
United States80 Posts
July 17 2013 19:34 GMT
#46
When he got picked up I thought it was kinda weird, he was their only NA player right? I'm sure the time difference made some stuff hard. GL though, illusion.
Every time you read this a SCV dies.
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
July 17 2013 19:37 GMT
#47
Illusion was in Mousesports for such a short time then didn't update his player photo ID, he's still wearing his old Quantic jersey.
Support your esport!
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
July 17 2013 19:43 GMT
#48
The big reason they're mentioning seems to be because they want to focus on European players.

From the press release:
We've decided to part ways with the North American StarCraft II player Chris "Illusion" Lee with immediate effect. The team will now concentrate on the European region in the future, especially with the recruitment of LucifroN and VortiX a couple of weeks ago.


Also:
mousesports StarCraft II Head Coordinator Markus "mouz MaX" Kemper has stated, that the focus of the team is to represent the best European StarCraft II players, supporting them in their efforts to mess with the best players in the world...
Plat Support Main #believe
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18864 Posts
July 17 2013 19:44 GMT
#49
This sounds more and more like a rug pulling
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
July 17 2013 19:45 GMT
#50
Good
Garfailed
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands409 Posts
July 17 2013 19:46 GMT
#51
Was fun while it lasted :S
LiOn
Profile Joined December 2002
Austria239 Posts
July 17 2013 19:47 GMT
#52
Well he can be good, but obviously didn't show any results recently i guess.
진지해? ^_^
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 17 2013 19:48 GMT
#53
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
July 17 2013 19:49 GMT
#54
Foreigner Terrans always have hard time
@taefoxy
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
July 17 2013 19:50 GMT
#55
illusion has been a huge dissapointment as an NA terran player. I had such high hopes for the dude over a year ago. not quite sure why he never seemed to make any progress
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
July 17 2013 19:51 GMT
#56
On July 18 2013 03:31 Bizeheryer wrote:
He is not at the same skill level of the other team members. mouz wants to be the best. Now they started to act like a team with a clear goal.

Very much disagree with you sir. When illusion was picked up, I'd say he was as good as or better than everyone on the team. That's why they picked up a random American when mouz has always been Europe/Korea/China only.

He hasn't been performing over the top like he was before, and mouz got a nice pickup with the Duran brothers, but I wouldn't be so quick to say he's less valuable than HeroMarine and hOpe.

Still, mouz didn't really help illusion develop much as a player. I think this move is better for him than it is for mouz.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
July 17 2013 19:54 GMT
#57
On July 18 2013 04:51 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:31 Bizeheryer wrote:
He is not at the same skill level of the other team members. mouz wants to be the best. Now they started to act like a team with a clear goal.

Very much disagree with you sir. When illusion was picked up, I'd say he was as good as or better than everyone on the team. That's why they picked up a random American when mouz has always been Europe/Korea/China only.

He hasn't been performing over the top like he was before, and mouz got a nice pickup with the Duran brothers, but I wouldn't be so quick to say he's less valuable than HeroMarine and hOpe.

Still, mouz didn't really help illusion develop much as a player. I think this move is better for him than it is for mouz.

What does mouz have to do to develop him as a player and what are your sources they did not do that (whatever it might be)?
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 20:08:29
July 17 2013 19:55 GMT
#58
Well, he was picked up at a time when good foreign Terrans were extremely scarce, and he was one of the most promising talents, but now that situation has changed radically, and mouz even has the best foreigner Terran on their roster. Considering the time zone differences, the fact that he dropped out of WCS America despite having an easy challenger group and knowing that it will be really hard to qualify again, and the fact that there are other Terrans which are also pretty good but probably cheaper.

I'm sure the top US teams will snatch him up though.

On July 18 2013 04:51 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:31 Bizeheryer wrote:
He is not at the same skill level of the other team members. mouz wants to be the best. Now they started to act like a team with a clear goal.

Very much disagree with you sir. When illusion was picked up, I'd say he was as good as or better than everyone on the team. That's why they picked up a random American when mouz has always been Europe/Korea/China only.

He hasn't been performing over the top like he was before, and mouz got a nice pickup with the Duran brothers, but I wouldn't be so quick to say he's less valuable than HeroMarine and hOpe.

Still, mouz didn't really help illusion develop much as a player. I think this move is better for him than it is for mouz.


I disagree with the statement that Illusion was at any point in time anywhere as good or valuable as MaNa or HasuObs. Mouz never held back from signing North Americans in Brood War, Dota 2 etc. It's just that Europeans suit them better because they are European...closer to the sponsors, closer to the team HQ, closer to the events they want to be at...

I agree that this move is good for him though in the long run. If he joins a team with an NA focus, he can go to more events etc, rather than be overshadowed by mouz's big four.
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
Abstinence
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States328 Posts
July 17 2013 20:03 GMT
#59
On July 18 2013 04:51 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:31 Bizeheryer wrote:
He is not at the same skill level of the other team members. mouz wants to be the best. Now they started to act like a team with a clear goal.

Very much disagree with you sir. When illusion was picked up, I'd say he was as good as or better than everyone on the team. That's why they picked up a random American when mouz has always been Europe/Korea/China only.

He hasn't been performing over the top like he was before, and mouz got a nice pickup with the Duran brothers, but I wouldn't be so quick to say he's less valuable than HeroMarine and hOpe.

Still, mouz didn't really help illusion develop much as a player. I think this move is better for him than it is for mouz.


Illusion is also playing a ton of LoL. Not really mouz's fault imo.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 17 2013 20:08 GMT
#60
On July 18 2013 03:39 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:37 Badfatpanda wrote:
Weird, even though it's almost August we're getting all of these odd-timed releases when resigning is just around the corner.

Good luck to him, seems like a good guy.

Don't get what you mean. There is no fixed time for resigns, or is there?


Kespa contracts end August.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
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