EPTWCS KR Challenger Season II - Ro48 Results - Page 5
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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PonceDeLEGABE
United States117 Posts
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SFHyper
United Kingdom45 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On July 14 2013 05:51 Wpgstevo wrote: I really do enjoy seeing the whole "elephant" thing disproven time and again as hyperbolic nonsense. Certainly lots of great players on Kespa teams, but eSF shows time and again that they have lots of great players too. Lots of <3 to both Kespa and eSF players! Depends. On the topic before, I'd said that within 6 months, half of the GSL Code S would be Kespa players. I got some flak for this comment from a couple of forum regulars who said it was nonsense. (This was ~Nov 2012 when there were only 5-6 Kespa players in Code S.) This season there were 17 (IIRC) Kespa players in the Ro32 WCS Korea. I was off by 2 months apparently. eSF players are not inherently bad and some of them will always be good. Stephano has managed to remain one of the best foreign SC2 players in the world while having probably one of the least rigorous practice schedules out of professional players (certainly out of any tournament-winning professional player anyway). He just has a ridiculous amount of natural skill. Now obviously eSF teams practice more/better than Stephano (just about everyone does) but I think the same concept applies. Kespa practices best (well, most Kespa teams practice better, but I'm sure eSF teams are improving in this area) so they have players who can become good through constant 14-hour practice days whereas eSF players have to rely more on natural talent. I think the point we're at now is a pretty reasonable equilibrium and that the Kespa-eSF ratio probably won't change a whole lot any further, but I could be wrong. On July 15 2013 04:38 kollin wrote: This is on at such terrible times for Korean viewers. Did Wax start this meme or did it start elsewhere? | ||
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rift
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this isn't true | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On July 15 2013 07:07 dcemuser wrote: Depends. On the topic before, I'd said that within 6 months, half of the GSL Code S would be Kespa players. I got some flak for this comment from a couple of forum regulars who said it was nonsense. (This was ~Nov 2012 when there were only 5-6 Kespa players in Code S.) This season there were 17 (IIRC) Kespa players in the Ro32 WCS Korea. I was off by 2 months apparently. Well there's also the matter of nobody expecting that WCS would happen. Apparently, most Kespa players choose not to try their luck in the other regions. I'd imagine this is because the Kespa teams were already heavily invested in SPL and potentially having their players leave Korea for the offline ro16+ could cause problems. non-Kespa players don't really have that commitment(though EG-TL still sent their top players...they were in sorry shape already though). So we lost MC, Nestea, Taeja, Hyun, Alive, Center, Ryung and HerO in the previous season of code A and a few others from code B like MVP. Nearly all of those could've probably made code S or maintained code A. So that could also have accounted for greater numbers of Kespa players filling up code A/S spots. Even more left this season too which is why so many Kespa players made it into code A if you look at the qualification brackets. Though I will concede that Kespa numbers did skyrocket in the last season of WoL in qualifying for the next code S season at 12/32 (Rain and Last were seeds so I'm not counting them). | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On July 15 2013 07:19 rift wrote: - Stephano has managed to remain one of the best foreign SC2 players in the world while having probably one of the least rigorous practice schedules out of professional players this isn't true I don't know how true it is now, but after winning his first tournament in 2011, he said he played '4 hours a day'. That's very low for somebody winning hundreds of thousands of dollars. | ||
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Ryler
Slovenia370 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
On July 15 2013 08:48 dcemuser wrote: I don't know how true it is now, but after winning his first tournament in 2011, he said he played '4 hours a day'. That's very low for somebody winning hundreds of thousands of dollars. Being the crucial word. I also recall him saying he played about 8 when he was properly practicing. I don't think he's ever really been a hardcore grinder by foreign standards, but he practices more than is perceived (or has in the past anyway). Unless he is a rather freakish outlier, it seems unlikely that he could have competed at that level for so long with a 4 hour a day regime. | ||
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AngryFarmer
United States560 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3769 Posts
On July 15 2013 14:12 Wombat_NI wrote: Being the crucial word. I also recall him saying he played about 8 when he was properly practicing. I don't think he's ever really been a hardcore grinder by foreign standards, but he practices more than is perceived (or has in the past anyway). Unless he is a rather freakish outlier, it seems unlikely that he could have competed at that level for so long with a 4 hour a day regime. Didn't he say once that number of hours he is practicing a day fluctuates quite a bit? Also I wonder how that number changed after he went to EG. | ||
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Grayson Carlyle
Canada219 Posts
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
On July 15 2013 22:47 nimdil wrote: Didn't he say once that number of hours he is practicing a day fluctuates quite a bit? Also I wonder how that number changed after he went to EG. From recollection the lowest value I've heard him quoted on is 4 hours a day when he#s not taking a break from playing altogether (which he has in the past done), and the highest is 8. I do feel Stephano's mentality towards the game and various other attributes helps him gets results above and behind the sheer hours he puts in when compared to other pros, but equally don't believe that he doesn't practice hard | ||
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