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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
July 11 2013 21:22 GMT
#21
On July 12 2013 05:23 packrat386 wrote:
I don't get it. Maybe the stats tell otherwise, but my gut says that lucifron doesn't beat flash in a Best of 101 with his life on the line.

http://aligulac.com/predict/match/?bo=101&ps=55,50
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
July 11 2013 21:44 GMT
#22
HYUNSTOPPABLE
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
July 11 2013 22:00 GMT
#23
aligulac awareness increasing every month!
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
July 11 2013 22:16 GMT
#24
On July 12 2013 02:18 Grovbolle wrote:
Also, we love Nestea
https://github.com/TheBB/aligulac/pull/66

now i love you too
$O$ | soO
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
July 11 2013 22:32 GMT
#25
Love this site such a good resource ^^ <3 !

also is it me or his zvz mmr is glitched?
http://aligulac.com/players/2289-Jig/
before losing to hitman he was rank 3 in the world zvz
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SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
July 11 2013 22:39 GMT
#26
One of the things I actually realized yesterday is that along with all the Islands of the foreign scene, that being European and American and Chinese, proleague may be in fact an Island? People in proleague play each other disproportionally more than people outside of proleague It could be that being good in proleague might very inflate ratings a bit since the average level of proleague is certainly lower than the average level of say WCS KR.

Thoughts?
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
July 11 2013 23:25 GMT
#27
On July 12 2013 07:32 FXOdesRow wrote:
Love this site such a good resource ^^ <3 !

also is it me or his zvz mmr is glitched?
http://aligulac.com/players/2289-Jig/
before losing to hitman he was rank 3 in the world zvz


It seems to be bugged here http://aligulac.com/players/2289-Jig/period/78/

You guys should fix it before it skews more results
faiza
Profile Joined June 2012
United States451 Posts
July 11 2013 23:32 GMT
#28
MC number is the best feature I've ever seen.
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 23:40:46
July 11 2013 23:38 GMT
#29
On July 12 2013 05:36 Markwerf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 05:23 packrat386 wrote:
I don't get it. Maybe the stats tell otherwise, but my gut says that lucifron doesn't beat flash in a Best of 101 with his life on the line.

edit: Also I'm glad that those balance numbers are close because now I can tell whiners in the LR threads to fuck off.


classic problem of rating people from two different scenes.. take it with a grain of salt.



Yup. Is it possible to filter input so it would only compute ratings based in something like "games played versus koreans"? Preferably live events only.

Koreans x foreigner (take San rising) or cross continent games (Lucifron) messes thing up when making a unified ranking. Oh well.
SEKO SEKO SEKO
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
July 11 2013 23:43 GMT
#30
On July 12 2013 08:38 bertu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 05:36 Markwerf wrote:
On July 12 2013 05:23 packrat386 wrote:
I don't get it. Maybe the stats tell otherwise, but my gut says that lucifron doesn't beat flash in a Best of 101 with his life on the line.

edit: Also I'm glad that those balance numbers are close because now I can tell whiners in the LR threads to fuck off.


classic problem of rating people from two different scenes.. take it with a grain of salt.



Yup. Is it possible to filter input so it would only compute ratings based in something like "games played versus koreans"? Preferably live events only.

Koreans x foreigner (take San rising) or cross continent games (Lucifron) messes thing up when making a unified ranking. Oh well.
Unlikely, I'm pretty sure the rating is stored in the database itself at the row of every player. For the system to actually compute the rating at every page request would be an insurmountable load going through the entire history.
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
July 12 2013 00:57 GMT
#31
On July 12 2013 08:43 SiskosGoatee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 08:38 bertu wrote:
On July 12 2013 05:36 Markwerf wrote:
On July 12 2013 05:23 packrat386 wrote:
I don't get it. Maybe the stats tell otherwise, but my gut says that lucifron doesn't beat flash in a Best of 101 with his life on the line.

edit: Also I'm glad that those balance numbers are close because now I can tell whiners in the LR threads to fuck off.


classic problem of rating people from two different scenes.. take it with a grain of salt.



Yup. Is it possible to filter input so it would only compute ratings based in something like "games played versus koreans"? Preferably live events only.

Koreans x foreigner (take San rising) or cross continent games (Lucifron) messes thing up when making a unified ranking. Oh well.
Unlikely, I'm pretty sure the rating is stored in the database itself at the row of every player. For the system to actually compute the rating at every page request would be an insurmountable load going through the entire history.


Bummer. Current form works well when comparing players that are almost entirely contained in the same "island", but outlying cases look like a mess (take the flash x lucifron prediction example). Still useful overall.

Maybe if they sorted different databases by "islands" it would help, but this seems arbitrary and a ton of work for a voluntary project, so no reason to complain..
SEKO SEKO SEKO
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
July 12 2013 01:03 GMT
#32
You can actually modify the algorithm to recognise extra-islandic encounters. As in, give more weight to matches between players that rarely play each other and also rarely play against other players that play those players to speed up the transfer of points between different islands.

Like, because Flash and Lucifron rarely meet and because they also play mostly against players who rarely meet each other. You can put more weight on a match between Flash and Lucifron to better accurately normalize the Islands. In this case Lucifron will lose more points losing from Flash than he normally would and that disparency in points is then again spread to his own island.
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
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