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Prog455
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Denmark970 Posts
May 28 2013 22:52 GMT
#21
On May 29 2013 07:45 Fries wrote:
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On May 29 2013 07:33 Prog455 wrote:
On May 29 2013 05:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 29 2013 05:37 rename wrote:
One of the best NA league of legends players Doublelift on why he doesnt think his team will catch up to koreans: "the infrastructure here makes it so we can't find competent training partners at the rate that Korea does. Talent breeds talent over there"*

Blizzard looks to attempt to disperse the talent, but this first season has not worked out quite well yet. Perhaps when IM-SK will partner up with a NA/EU team for Mvp and Nestea and maybe even send in some coaching advice this dispersing on talent will start to help actual NA/EU talent to become competitive not just in their region, but in global events.

*source: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f76hr/doublelift_ama_postallstars/ca7gkrg





How can they possibly disperse the talent? It doesn't make any sense, I argued this with Blizzard in a phone conversation. These players are not going to participate on ladder unless you force them to, they're not going to become practice partners for foreign players and in this system, there is little to no incentive to even live in the region right now due to a lack of region locking. There is no difference at all between this and standard tournaments. The koreans come, they take the money and then they leave. How exactly is the level of these foreign players being raised by this happening?


Can someone please explain what it is in NA that makes it so hard for their players to improve compared to EU? I know NA had more Koreans than EU, but on the flip side i am also certain that some of the Koreans would not have made it to RO8 in EU.


You don't think that if NA's THIRTEEN Koreans in Premiere League were in EU it wouldn't have been similar results? EU had 4 Koreans in Premier league and 2 made it into the top 4.


No i don't think so. Aside from Hero there is not a single Korean in RO8 that i would say is definitely better than; TLO, Lucifron, Vortix, Naniwa, Sase, Stephano or Babyknight. During group stage there was not a single time where a Korean made it out as number 1. To be perfectly honest i don't think that the competition was harder in NA than it was in EU.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 23:15:08
May 28 2013 23:13 GMT
#22
I don't know that the fact that NA is a weak division is really a solvable problem, but he's right in that the system Blizzard set up actually makes it more interesting for spectators since random interesting matches happen in the regular season before a world final. I'd guess there are a lot of people who aren't that interested in watching Shoutcraft but who will tune in to see GSL semifinalist play relative-unknown Euro up-and-comer.

On May 29 2013 06:26 rename wrote:
Also the fact that in WCS/GSL style league - when everyone has can prepare to his opponent for a week - instead of preparing a random new player, many europeans and americans have to prepare for someone of higher level, and just looking at his vods and trying to figure out how to beat that will likely result in better experience compared to just looking at some random players qualifier vods and then laddering&streaming a bunch.


I think this part has panned out nicely too, there have been a lot of amusing and cute builds people have prepared for specific opponents. It doesn't touch the heart of the issue that it's not an ideal situation for players in NA or EU but the article is about how they set up a better environment for spectators, and he has a point in that it is an improvement, for Blizzard's system specifically. Whether or not it's good overall for everyone remains to be seen but Blizzard succeeded in making their own event interesting.
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Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
May 29 2013 03:09 GMT
#23
On May 29 2013 05:20 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I do agree with the sentiment for the most part. I also agree, however, that there still needs to be some stuff that is focused solely on regional players, like Shoutcraft America. You shouldn't really have one without the other.

The problem is that with the current state of WCS it is ALWAYS ON and there is no opening for any other competition to shine. Thus any such competition has to fight against WCS and that is bad. "Live and let live" is a great saying, but WCS does not follow it.
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vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
May 29 2013 03:22 GMT
#24
On May 29 2013 12:09 Rabiator wrote:
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On May 29 2013 05:20 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I do agree with the sentiment for the most part. I also agree, however, that there still needs to be some stuff that is focused solely on regional players, like Shoutcraft America. You shouldn't really have one without the other.

The problem is that with the current state of WCS it is ALWAYS ON and there is no opening for any other competition to shine. Thus any such competition has to fight against WCS and that is bad. "Live and let live" is a great saying, but WCS does not follow it.


WCS doesn't run on weekends, and that's exactly for other tournaments to operate during that time. It's already built into the system.
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