• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:10
CET 09:10
KST 17:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada1SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA5StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4
StarCraft 2
General
Christmas Outfit Collection 2025 – Celebrate the S SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time?
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1843 users

Penny Arcade Report on WCS - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
May 28 2013 22:52 GMT
#21
On May 29 2013 07:45 Fries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 07:33 Prog455 wrote:
On May 29 2013 05:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 29 2013 05:37 rename wrote:
One of the best NA league of legends players Doublelift on why he doesnt think his team will catch up to koreans: "the infrastructure here makes it so we can't find competent training partners at the rate that Korea does. Talent breeds talent over there"*

Blizzard looks to attempt to disperse the talent, but this first season has not worked out quite well yet. Perhaps when IM-SK will partner up with a NA/EU team for Mvp and Nestea and maybe even send in some coaching advice this dispersing on talent will start to help actual NA/EU talent to become competitive not just in their region, but in global events.

*source: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f76hr/doublelift_ama_postallstars/ca7gkrg





How can they possibly disperse the talent? It doesn't make any sense, I argued this with Blizzard in a phone conversation. These players are not going to participate on ladder unless you force them to, they're not going to become practice partners for foreign players and in this system, there is little to no incentive to even live in the region right now due to a lack of region locking. There is no difference at all between this and standard tournaments. The koreans come, they take the money and then they leave. How exactly is the level of these foreign players being raised by this happening?


Can someone please explain what it is in NA that makes it so hard for their players to improve compared to EU? I know NA had more Koreans than EU, but on the flip side i am also certain that some of the Koreans would not have made it to RO8 in EU.


You don't think that if NA's THIRTEEN Koreans in Premiere League were in EU it wouldn't have been similar results? EU had 4 Koreans in Premier league and 2 made it into the top 4.


No i don't think so. Aside from Hero there is not a single Korean in RO8 that i would say is definitely better than; TLO, Lucifron, Vortix, Naniwa, Sase, Stephano or Babyknight. During group stage there was not a single time where a Korean made it out as number 1. To be perfectly honest i don't think that the competition was harder in NA than it was in EU.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 23:15:08
May 28 2013 23:13 GMT
#22
I don't know that the fact that NA is a weak division is really a solvable problem, but he's right in that the system Blizzard set up actually makes it more interesting for spectators since random interesting matches happen in the regular season before a world final. I'd guess there are a lot of people who aren't that interested in watching Shoutcraft but who will tune in to see GSL semifinalist play relative-unknown Euro up-and-comer.

On May 29 2013 06:26 rename wrote:
Also the fact that in WCS/GSL style league - when everyone has can prepare to his opponent for a week - instead of preparing a random new player, many europeans and americans have to prepare for someone of higher level, and just looking at his vods and trying to figure out how to beat that will likely result in better experience compared to just looking at some random players qualifier vods and then laddering&streaming a bunch.


I think this part has panned out nicely too, there have been a lot of amusing and cute builds people have prepared for specific opponents. It doesn't touch the heart of the issue that it's not an ideal situation for players in NA or EU but the article is about how they set up a better environment for spectators, and he has a point in that it is an improvement, for Blizzard's system specifically. Whether or not it's good overall for everyone remains to be seen but Blizzard succeeded in making their own event interesting.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
May 29 2013 03:09 GMT
#23
On May 29 2013 05:20 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I do agree with the sentiment for the most part. I also agree, however, that there still needs to be some stuff that is focused solely on regional players, like Shoutcraft America. You shouldn't really have one without the other.

The problem is that with the current state of WCS it is ALWAYS ON and there is no opening for any other competition to shine. Thus any such competition has to fight against WCS and that is bad. "Live and let live" is a great saying, but WCS does not follow it.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
May 29 2013 03:22 GMT
#24
On May 29 2013 12:09 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 05:20 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
I do agree with the sentiment for the most part. I also agree, however, that there still needs to be some stuff that is focused solely on regional players, like Shoutcraft America. You shouldn't really have one without the other.

The problem is that with the current state of WCS it is ALWAYS ON and there is no opening for any other competition to shine. Thus any such competition has to fight against WCS and that is bad. "Live and let live" is a great saying, but WCS does not follow it.


WCS doesn't run on weekends, and that's exactly for other tournaments to operate during that time. It's already built into the system.
STX Fighting!
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 50m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 871
Yoon 637
Zeus 358
Tasteless 342
ToSsGirL 41
Dota 2
XaKoH 375
League of Legends
JimRising 558
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss204
allub105
Other Games
summit1g16261
ceh9308
NeuroSwarm50
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick619
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH240
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt905
Other Games
• Scarra1498
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
3h 50m
OSC
8h 50m
Replay Cast
14h 50m
Replay Cast
1d
Kung Fu Cup
1d 3h
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 14h
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
BSL 21
4 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.